Nothing new right.

But it was about the morality and ethics in TradeWars.

I, personally, feel that anything the game mechanics allow is ethical in the game with the exception of rules the sysop might make barring certain tactics.

Bug use (mega rob, alien planet farming, fig desyncs in v1) are all a part of the game as we know it unless the op says dont do that.

Blockades, Blowing class9/0 ports, planet buyouts, megacorping, ship buyouts, the game mechanics allow it unless the op says no blockades and no blowing ports, no buyouts, no mega-corping.

Truces are simple and don't need a lot of rules, per say, mostly its all defining what a truce is as far as the game goes. Its easy, don't do anything that would interfere with another person or corp's play during the truce period.

Its not supposed to be a game of "How to we play in the grey area" or "How do we figure to go against the posted rules without getting caught."

Follow the op's rules or do not. Its black and white. Its not about finding loopholes, its about using the allowed game mechanics and using all of the available tools to kick the other teams' butts.






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I don't see a gray area here. You either play by the rules or you do not. This isn't rocket science but there is definitely a learning curve.

New people and returning people in this game should be taught how to play by the rules. They certainly don't need to be taught its okay to break the rules if you don't get caught and you win. Winning doesn't require breaking an ethical or moral code.

The game mechanics are there to be utilized to their fullest extent. Operator rules are not. What I am trying to say is that one can be good trader, win games, play TradeWars and not break the rules.

No, ethics is not a gray area. Not in our society. We are raised with them. We have a sense of right and wrong. We know when we are doing something sleazy. And its easy to see by how others react to us and the extent we will go to justify our behavior. People want ethical choices to be seen as gray because they are human and make mistakes. If an ethical decision is gray they feel like they can be absolved in some small way for making it.

Finally, while there maybe some gray areas regarding ethics in real life, in a game there are no gray areas ethically speaking, You either abide by the rules or you do not, and any examples you pose from the game are black and white,

And the problem lies in the proof. Therefore the game is NOT simply black & white but ethically speaking there are a lot of gray areas. Some players feel fully justified using whatever mechanics the game allows, even those the sysop has not thought of to make a rule for. To them, they are playing ethically, no rule, no rules broken... but their actions cannot be proven or dis-proven. Had the sysop known of that particular "tactic", if given a choice they could of had a rule against it.

Hence why this boarders on the bug usage rule, and why I asked for details about a bug that I don't know about.

A person's internal compass for right and wrong vary greatly, depending upon their upbringing, status in life, and location on this big blue marble.

The world stopped being black & white after we stopped being teenagers.

Anything not specifically forbidden by the sysop should be considered fair play. You might call it "unethical" to bend or break the rules established by the sysop, but whether "cheating" is "ethical" is really beside the point. It's all just philosophical shorthand for "won't be invited back to play another game."

AS SG always said, the game mechanics will work them self's out.

JP messed that option up an I know that was one of the things they went back and for about due to old bug reappearing but as points have been made play the version you prefer and if your a sysop there are ways to set up games how you see fit, but once it's set hold your tough...learn and if you don't like the way it went down do it different next time.

btw vote for pedro!

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Trolling again, is not allowed. Second warning Helix.

Edit: Look , stop censoring my posts, second warning anonymous mod, it took an hour to write this thing. If the post was actually trolling it would still be here, removing it completely means its just my word against yours.

Personally I think you screwed up. I think you learned too many bad habits over on hyper. Censorship just draws more attention to a subject. One sentence using Big D as an example of using game mechanics successfully and the social effects of being ethically challenged is hardly trolling. He did the deed, he got caught, he pays the consequences.

Now we get to add you as an example of someone who is ethically challenged too. Well done.

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You've done it again. Here's the kicker- I was using the Helix school of Modding. At least I had the decency to call attention to the fact that the offending posts were edited for content. One thing that seems to have slipped your simple mind- there is no freedom of speech on a private board. If you don't follow the rules, you don't get to keep your posts.
Odd how you didn't bring up using TEDIT on your own server as an example of how ethically challenged you are... More irony.

what's a "//mod break//"

It looks like a moderator replaced the post with that line.

The //Mod break// is used on some forums as a way of allowing a thread to continue but letting the users know that someone hasn't been following the rules. It is pretty straightforward, and lets people know when a mod has edited an offending post. A previous mod was not that transparent in that regard.