I agree lonestar. I would never write anything in c/c++ or even MFC, unless it was a graphics engine for a game or something like an anti-virus program that needs to hook into the operating system at very low levels.

One cool thing about c/c++ is that you could drop assembler code right in the middle of your program if you needed something to be more efficient.

Telix SALT is more or less C. Kill two birds with one stone - great TW scripting language plus 90 odd percent of the way to C proficiency if ya learn SALT! What a deal...

It has an undeserved reputation for being a difficult and overcomplicated language; it is not difficult, its just that the helpfiles aren't comprehensive (not alone there). The "overcomplicated" rep comes from early days when Telix was used primarily as a terminal program as opposed to a scripting language for such as TW.

Its freeware now. Anyone who wants to try it and has questions that they can't find answers to in the helpfiles, I'd be happy to assist.

We're still not very low level, but I can write my own Library class now. Currently in C# OOP class, next fall it's ASP.Net and SQL.

I understand what a library is, I know I should be thankful that I don't have to go to the trouble of all the minute details, but I'd still like to see something closer to the machine.

Something as simple as instantiation, right now it's just all memorization to "new-up" an object. We've been told that this means we're reserving in RAM the amount of memory this type of object needs in order to run.

You guys who know assembly, know that a pain in the butt it is, and how painful it was to learn, and those of us learning C# should probably be doing a "happy dance" that we don't have to go through that pain in order to get something to compile and run. But, you have a much deeper understanding of what's going on. I only copy code and hope it runs. I write a lot of pretty code that compiles but does not execute what I had hoped it would. I need more practice debugging...

Yeah.. that's what I'm talking about: Write your own Low Level routines/LIB. Even a LIB to switch the video mode of the display, draw lines, position pixels.. without using the BIOS.. that's what was talking about.

I'm sure you know that compilers do break everything down into Machine Langauge. But it you just want to peak at the machine level, find an Old DOS machine and run DEBUG, you can write a simple MOV AX, 4300 INT 21H ...or wahtever and step through the interupt routine and watch the Registers and pointers, etc. it's neat

In c/c++ you had to manually allocate memory, and you were in real trouble if you needed more than 16K.