Due to lack of interest...
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Big D
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 Re: Due to lack of interest...
I'm not sure who got sidetracked here, but nothing I've read above is megacorping. Sharing of information is NOT megacorping. ONLY hard asset sharing is megacorping. Best go back and read the rules. So even if everything happened that you guys mentioned, the game was fair.
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| Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:33 pm |
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Big D
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Timberwolf wrote: -=orion=- wrote: Couldn't hack it on kraaken or the flying aces ... For some reason this is suppose to bother me... I could care less if I'm good at Tradewars ... Being good at a game from the 90's means nothing... i play for fun and my idea of fun is obviously different than yours... funny when i call you out you resort to insulting me and my playing ability... seems childish...I don't need to prove that we all shared info... I know what happened....so do you... Well said. Not everyone plays for the competition. Like you, Orion, I play just for fun. I could care less if I'm good or not. It's all about having a bit of fun, right? It's probably a good thing both of you feel that way considering neither of you are much account.
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| Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:35 pm |
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Mongoose
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Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 1096 Location: Tucson, AZ
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-=orion=- wrote: Actually they know you shared info between corps because I told them our corp and your corp shared fig reports... I was totally disgusted by this and told them about the cheating... 
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| Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:08 pm |
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Cruncher
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-=orion=- wrote: Actually they know you shared info between corps because I told them our corp and your corp shared fig reports... I was totally disgusted by this and told them about the cheating...
I also told Vid I would never play with there corp again if this ever happened again... Man up and admit you shared info... I told them we were doing it... You're just making yourself look stupid Orion is an honorable player, and not half bad. It's so very disappointing to a player like Orion who maybe looked up to Vid and KB as mentors, just to find out how low they will stoop to win a silly game.
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| Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:52 pm |
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Helix
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T0yman wrote: Helix had problems with MOMBot that no one else could ever reproduce either. Actually Comet and Data reproduced the wsst bug. As far as I know that bug is small enough to live with (ie wsst will not buy figs/shields from SD on a v2 server but will buy from other class0s with no problem). H -=orion=- wrote: Couldn't hack it on kraaken or the flying aces ... For some reason this is suppose to bother me... I could care less if I'm good at Tradewars ... Being good at a game from the 90's means nothing... i play for fun and my idea of fun is obviously different than yours... funny when i call you out you resort to insulting me and my playing ability... seems childish...I don't need to prove that we all shared info... I know what happened....so do you... Butch learned that behavior from D, they both lie when it suits them and cheat when they think they can get away with it. If you call them on it, they point the finger at others or deflect the topic away. I like the way they claim they are undefeated. So far they have only "trade hug" wins (ie they won one game on points and they "co-won" another game) As far as I can tell they have never actually "won" a tourney. (won = every other team but them #SD#) H
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Helix
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_________________ Helix Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. Lest we forget I had to ask myself WWSGD?
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| Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:27 pm |
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Big D
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Let me refresh everyones memory. These are not Ground Zero's Rules. These are not Kraaken's Rules. These are the OFFICIAL rules of BOTE 2011.
1. Only 1 (one) team from each TWGS server. 2. No transfer of traders or resources between the different teams. If your teams quits on you, you will have to keep playing alone and if the entire team quits for any reason you cannot give your resource over to a different team. 3. If something could possibly be mistaken for breaking any of the rules then this must be reported with in 24hrs to the game-op and must be accompanied with captures/logs as proof. 4. Request of disqualification must be turned in within 24hrs to the gameop. Proof must be supplied in forms of screen captures and/or logs from the system. 5. NO account sharing. If a player can't play he will have to make sure his team mates can protect him without using his account. 6. I don't care if you script. I don't care if you attempt to play 24/7. If you think you have to play like a chicken and be online 24/7 because you can't protect yourself from others in any other way so be it. 7. Whine and complain on how someone is playing or acting and your guaranteed to end up on my ignore/AnimalDung list. If you think that only way you can get my attention is to bring a complaint into a public forum and discredit me or the server expect to get your account on the server suspended. This is one of the toughest and most prestige full game of the year if you can't handle it then go back to playing StarCraft and Diablo 2 and use your hacks to gain your powers. 8. No buyouts or continually running scripts with the sole purpose of keeping another player out of the game, make resources unavailable, or hamper server performance. 9. I’m aware of the bug which prevents most people from using the tournament mode death limit function. There are eight death’s allowed per player in this game. Each time you’re podded = 1 death. However the mechanics of the game will allow a player to enter another ship if he/she wasn’t SD’d after kill #8, and they could indeed be killed for kills 9 and up. I’ve decided to deal with this by letting the game mechanics do their job. 8 pods will equal 8 deaths, but the player is not down and out unless they are SD’d. This means a player can have 20 deaths, but if not SD he is still in the game. 10. No substitutions after the game starts. You have 8 days for your team to enter the game. After 8 days the game is closed and if you're not in, you're not getting in. If you care to enter a team late, you can do so as long as it's not after the 8 day limit. 11. After the game has started no team can replace any of its traders with a replacement. So if one trader has to withdraw from the game his team will have to continue without him. 12. We can establish a neutral arbitrator for this game prior to the tournament start date if desired. In the case of a dispute, all information will be passed to the arbitrator or gameop for their review. This will include any game logs, screen captures submitted, and any other relative information to assist with the review. Once the arbitrator has made their decision, it is final. The arbitrator will ensure that decisions made are based on fact, and not on their opinion or views. 13. Players must preregister with the game op and will not play under alias. Team captains will submit the names of the players to the gameop, who will enter each player into the game, and email them their passwords. This also means that the gameop has to be given a clear way to contact each member of the team. Gameop will not under any circumstances give the password of a player to someone other than the player him/herself. (modified since original posting on 11/13/2011) I reserve the right to change or alter any of these rules up until the game starts.
Does anyone see any rule against information sharing here?
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| Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:30 pm |
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Big D
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Helix wrote: -=orion=- wrote: Couldn't hack it on kraaken or the flying aces ... For some reason this is suppose to bother me... I could care less if I'm good at Tradewars ... Being good at a game from the 90's means nothing... i play for fun and my idea of fun is obviously different than yours... funny when i call you out you resort to insulting me and my playing ability... seems childish...I don't need to prove that we all shared info... I know what happened....so do you... Butch learned that behavior from D, they both lie when it suits them and cheat when they think they can get away with it. If you call them on it, they point the finger at others or deflect the topic away. I like the way they claim they are undefeated. So far they have only "trade hug" wins (ie they won one game on points and they "co-won" another game) As far as I can tell they have never actually "won" a tourney. (won = every other team but them #SD#) H I don't give anything you say much measure considering your reputation as a player and a sysop. You also seem to forget about the 2012 ICE tourney where we eliminated everyone in the game and all other corps conceeded.
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Promethius
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| Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:20 am |
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Helix
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_________________ Helix Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. Lest we forget I had to ask myself WWSGD?
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| Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:15 am |
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TheButcher
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Helix wrote: T0yman wrote: Helix had problems with MOMBot that no one else could ever reproduce either. Actually Comet and Data reproduced the wsst bug. As far as I know that bug is small enough to live with (ie wsst will not buy figs/shields from SD on a v2 server but will buy from other class0s with no problem). H -=orion=- wrote: Couldn't hack it on kraaken or the flying aces ... For some reason this is suppose to bother me... I could care less if I'm good at Tradewars ... Being good at a game from the 90's means nothing... i play for fun and my idea of fun is obviously different than yours... funny when i call you out you resort to insulting me and my playing ability... seems childish...I don't need to prove that we all shared info... I know what happened....so do you... Butch learned that behavior from D, they both lie when it suits them and cheat when they think they can get away with it. If you call them on it, they point the finger at others or deflect the topic away. I like the way they claim they are undefeated. So far they have only "trade hug" wins (ie they won one game on points and they "co-won" another game) As far as I can tell they have never actually "won" a tourney. (won = every other team but them #SD#) H Everyone knows what kinda of player/person you are Helix, your not creditable!!!! We have put the challenge out to everyone and again just like cruncher, comet, etc. you have nothing but excuses and lies!!!! Well now we took away your last excuse (they wont play on V2) We had traveler start an ice game on his V2 server and he'd posted 2-3 days go, just like crunchers, you fail to show and back-up your chit talking!!!!!!! Next excuse?
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Comet
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All this negativety makes for one sad Sexual harrassment Panda. 
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| Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:52 am |
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Cruncher
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Big D wrote: Let me refresh everyones memory. These are not Ground Zero's Rules. These are not Kraaken's Rules. These are the OFFICIAL rules of BOTE 2011. .... Does anyone see any rule against information sharing here? And these BOTE rules were originally written before TWX Proxy was created, or released publicly. It was painfully obvious to those of us playing that our corp figs were being targeted by both of the other corps. We didn't need Orion to tell us you were sharing fig reports, but even with our suspicions confirmed, we could have just CBY'd out, but we didn't. We played to the best of our ability with what assets we had. The unfortunate part is there's no way to enforce or prove data sharing is happening. And data sharing has always been a part of this and every tournament. What we need are a larger number of teams in tournaments.
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| Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:47 am |
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TheButcher
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Cruncher wrote: Big D wrote: Let me refresh everyones memory. These are not Ground Zero's Rules. These are not Kraaken's Rules. These are the OFFICIAL rules of BOTE 2011. .... Does anyone see any rule against information sharing here? And these BOTE rules were originally written before TWX Proxy was created, or released publicly. It was painfully obvious to those of us playing that our corp figs were being targeted by both of the other corps. We didn't need Orion to tell us you were sharing fig reports, but even with our suspicions confirmed, we could have just CBY'd out, but we didn't. We played to the best of our ability with what assets we had. The unfortunate part is there's no way to enforce or prove data sharing is happening. And data sharing has always been a part of this and every tournament. What we need are a larger number of teams in tournaments. That was no surprise, I told your corp and Krakken, we are going to eliminate the weakest link! So go figure your corp was first on our radar! If you want to call that info sharing , guilty as charged! Actully what killed your corp was the stupid mistakes that you keep making! No need to share fig data, we would just follow our lim. Mine you had on your ship, ROFL
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Big D
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Cruncher wrote: And these BOTE rules were originally written before TWX Proxy was created, or released publicly. No. Those rules were edited by RP. Several were added and several were changed. It would have been very easy to add a Megacorping rule if he had wished. That wasn't his 1st go around with a major tournament and it wasn't my job to judge whether or not he knew what rules to enforce. And what the heck does TWX Proxy have to do with anything? You're stuck on that being the evil cause of the destuction of Tradewars. LOL The 1st BOTE wasn't held before internet communication was invented. Cruncher wrote: The unfortunate part is there's no way to enforce or prove data sharing is happening. And data sharing has always been a part of this and every tournament.
What we need are a larger number of teams in tournaments. That is why even if there is a magacorping rule that it doesn't include information sharing. It's simply impossible to prove. More corps just means more info sharing. The only way to stop info sharing is to have only 2 large corps.
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