Yeah, they have a lot more bugs they can exploit in v1.03. That's understandable ;)

Very Shabby to say the least.

I'll crosspost this to the new BOTE thread, as there several other issues that might be addressed.

This will not be BOTE. "You can be born in a stable and not be a horse".

BOTE was conceived by Zoobar and Maverick as the Battle of The Elite, a Tourney played by the best players of the TW BBSs, as teams representing their "home BBS", playing against one another. Thats just for starters.

Then, it is not a great idea to let the last winners of ANY tourney to choose the settings for the next, for pretty obvious reasons. If anything it should be by consensus.

Lastly, there were issues some time back when BOTE was perceived to have been in danger of highjacking. Nothing has changed in this regard that I know of.

Read and be amused:

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1.03 is a known entity after being played for so many years, v2.xx is not known, and the possibility of bugs existing that are known to only a few would seem much greater. The best reason for using v2.xx in a hardcore game would be to shake out new bugs if they exist.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

That's not true, Prom. There are known bugs, but there are plenty of unknown bugs as well. Some players have a list of bugs that they won't talk about or report because they're too valuable. At least with v2 I have a possibility of finding and fixing those bugs.

I'm guessing there's more talk than fact in this statement. I don't think they can produce as many bugs to exploit, that are not common knowledge, as they claim. It's just that that version was around for so long without any changes, that we accepted those bugs as features. It simply became part of the game.

I have been playing TW for quite a while, and am not familiar with the bugs in that version that several players openly boast of using. It appears that JP shares my ignorance to some extent.

The players that boast of using the bugs refuse to share the information with JP.

Please advise details of the bugs that "we accepted those bugs as features. It simply became part of the game. .... in order that we might all be on an equal footing.

Right, that's all I'm saying. All versions have had bugs, and you can find documents detailing the most useful bugs, and these bugs give each version their own flavor. That's not a problem. The problem is that some players have bugs they hoard. I know this to be a fact. I just don't know what the specific bugs are, because, obviously, they won't report them. This is one of the flaws of relying on players to provide playtesting and bug reports. They can be pretty selective about it.

But what are the chances of the few knowing of bugs in V2.xx because they have been actively testing (privately)? The whole, I know bugs that you don't is very much overblown. I haven't seen or heard of any issues in v1.3 for a very long time. The biggest bug that v1.3 had that affected game play was the alien farming bug. The second is the fig hit disconnect that happens in unlims during grid wars at truce end that can be exploited. A third was the photon bug in unlims where a player shook the effects of the photon off. Yes, there were ways around the time limit in 1.3 but the number of games running TLs were very small in comparison.

v1.3 has been time tested and most, if not all, bugs have been seen and talked about.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

All you're saying is that you don't personally hoard bugs, and I believe you. But I also believe others who are telling me that this is a big issue.

There were a few bugs in the HHT tourney that were known by team Kraaken (incognito) and were used during that tournament. They wouldn't tell me what they were, only that they existed (gloating, I guess). I was able to find and fix them. But that's proof of how these players operate. I have no trouble believing that there are bugs that only they know. As players, you have to decide what you believe. Are they really just the most dominant team to play TW today, or do they just know more bugs than the rest of you?

Of course, if they would lay their bugs on the table (bugs they say they know that nobody else knows), then there wouldn't be this question.

This is getting way off track of HHT, so I suggest we lock this thread. If the conversation want's to continue we can do it in another thread.

Thanks

Start a new "official thread" and I promise I won't get into this on the new thread.

I have to say something here... I played the HHT with kraaken...I dont like being accused of using bugs...I did not us any bugs... I dont believe they did either...there was no need to use bugs in that tournament or any.... do they know about some bugs YES they do.... I believe i found one at Ice9 yesterday and i WILL report it if I find out what version they are running...

But Kraaken and I did not use bugs in the HHT ...Big D says he did... but I dont know him...

We won fairly... We played the within the rules....

I think lines are getting crossed on conversations between 1.03 & 2.13. I am sure it was a clean victory and congratulations. My disagreement with the tournie had nothing to do with bug usage, I have found it easier to walk away than argue about it. Arguing is just wasted energy that I could use to do something that might accomplish a certain task.
Take Big D with a grain of salt, he talks just to hear himself.

Fine, if certain players are lying when they say that the have used and will continue to use bugs, then that's their problem. They're either liars or cheaters, or more likely both. I never accused you specifically, Orion. I only know about Big D and Kewlbreeze bragging about their knowledge of and use of bugs. Kewlbreeze is part of Team Kraaken. If you don't like the bad reputation that he brings to your team, kick him out.

If I was on a team, I would make sure there weren't people on that team who cheat. But that's just me.

Not that I had a snowball's chance playing 3-1 but Big D did effect the outcome of the game by using a node disconnect bug on me. The night I recaptured my first base, and pulled my L5 out. I had 3 more L4's but since I could not maintain a connection for more than a minute or two, I left them.

He also used that bug on Kav and prevented me from having a corpie.

Corp 5 played a good game, as far as I could tell. I would however suggest that anyone hosting a tourney on v2, if it's TL game, use the delay high score display option to ensure it truely is a TL game. That was my only gripe with Corp 5. Menu squatting...