Removed....

I'm sorry that you jumped ship before realizing that an honest mistake has been made. You and I never really spoke to each other, much less, got along, but I know people do apologize when they are in error. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

Remember, it's just a game!

While it may be owned by EIS, this forum is an open board. Registered users can post their gripes, concerns, and in general discuss game strategies and tactics. There is frequently discussion that could be considered personal opinion.

For the most part, any Moderator on this board is someone who has shown an interest in the game to the point that they review this board daily. It is an entirely volunteer job.

Why is it so hard to think that a Mod would have an opinion or two? Every Moderator is a player, so there is bound to be personal perspective in every post. Isn't this a preferable thing?



Your perspective will be missed, the attitude, not so much.

Bye!

Your sites are still up, thought you said you were taking them down?

Considering the nature of the conversation involved in D's complaint, singling out Helix would be arbitrary at best. If he hurt your feelings, then ask for an apology. The reason I replied when I did was because the entire thread was going downhill, and I'd like to see whether or not it's possible to salvage it.

Hurt feelings don't make someone a bad moderator.

I'm trying to bite my tongue. What can I say that would not be smack?

Not the first or second time that this has happened, can probably dig out previous.

Hissy fit (?)

I'll take my ball and go home (?)

If somebody's feelings are hurt, they should join a gradeschool soccer team. I understand that it is against the rules to keep a record of the score.

I just want to state publicly that while this is my forum, I have tried to leave it to the community to manage. BigD came to me to address this issue, and I made sure that the admins are aware of it, and I stand behind their decisions on the matter. Does it bother me that a customer is dissatisfied with his treatment on this forum? Certainly. But everyone who is involved with running this forum is volunteer and I trust that they're doing their best, and I appreciate their efforts.

I would prefer that moderators remain detached and professional in their posts, but if we reprimanded every moderator for allowing their personal feelings to show through now and then, there would be no moderators. And without the moderators, there would be no forum.

And last, as far as I know, Thrawn has not been on the forum to address the complaint. It is ultimately his decision whether or not Helix crossed the line. I had hoped to wait until Thrawn had a moment to check in. I know he is busy. Patience is necessary when, again, these are not paid employees. That being said, I know Thrawn has delegated some responsibilities to others here, and I trust his judgment there as well as the judgment of those who are handling those responsibilities. We are all doing the best we can, and in general, I am comfortable with the tone of the forum today.

Nod. In this case tho, if you're dishing out insults... you probably should be able to take a "you're a liar!" ever-so-often, too. It's hard to expect respectful treatment of someone that won't reciprocate.

FYI, Thrawn doesn't want to be admin. Or at least last time I talked w/ him, he didn't. I don't want the job either, tho, lol. It comes down to whomever has the most time for it.

Who does have the time for it? LOL... I've had no time to admin anything. Both Daala and I are developing three games to release commercially and that takes up most of our time, with having to design our own models and media.



In all honesty, there is nothing really I would or could have done without upsetting someone along the way. I can understand D's response of what he was called. I also understand and know the history between Helix and D. It is the assumption that moderators should be professional in their responses, and that is for the particular moderator to choose for themselves. I know I've been guilty of reacting and letting things get under my skin, but I can also learn from it and move on. There are some that do not like me or some of my choices, and that is their choice. It does not affect me. It is the same between D and Helix- there is a lot of bad blood between the two, and I can understand the why and how on the reactions.

To be honest, I have better things to do than to hold hands with people that feel the need to puff up their feathers over the internet and lash out. I'm sorry that D was insulted or hurt by the actions. If he feels the need to pull out, that is his choice. As far as Helix, that is his choice to respond/react how he chooses. I don't know what action would/could be taken without this turning into another flame fest. I'd like to hope that "cooler heads" would prevail and this would sort itself out.

The alternative here, if the admin wish to do so, is to put me back as the moderator for Open Discussion. I had requested myself removed before due to time constraints. Since we are close to a release on one of our products, I do have a bit more free time. It may not please some individuals here, but that is not my issue.

well spoken Thrawn
MHF

Good to see you. Got scared when Outpost-4 wouldnt come up.

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im right here too. in fact, for quite some time i just stopped posting. every time i go to post i have to stop and think whose 'feelliebads' i might hurt. cause "oh no that might be too 'smacky'".

lets throw this out here- now that the big beta push is over, where is the active vibrant forum? instead of it looking like a game played by very driven people who will take any step to win, it looks like the modern american media, full of political correctness and censorship. i mean god forbid i say someone sucks now! or what if i win a hard fought game and want to crow over it?

maybe you have a more 'professional' looking forum (running on vbulletin with volunteer mods) but this is a forum for a free competitive game. this forum doesnt allow for a competitive attitude. now it is boring... people dont post, and since a TINY bit of smack overflows into open everyone runs around with their hair on fire. as you will...

There is always going to be varied opinions when it comes to the operation of a forum. It is easy to sit in the wings and watch the action unfold or jump into the fray and add one's own comments behind others to further fuel the debate, than to be on the side of the moderators that have been asked to "moderate" their respective areas. In most of the sections, it is clearly a "black and white" area for what is "smack" and what is not. In Open Discussion, it has been a challenge. It is not black and white- there are times where the opinion of what constitutes smack is varied from person to person. The admin, both John and Space Ghost, gave myself the leeway to make that decision, and the path to make that decision is not always easy. I have to sift through the submitted reports on the post(s) involved and try to analyze and understand what the poster(s) involved are saying or "meant" to say.

Regardless, this is John's forum and he makes the final decision. If he decides the smack talk is not doing his game or image any good, then that is his choice. All that is asked is if one is debating, to keep it civil. One needs to gloat over their opponent in a game, go ahead- just please be civil. Most of the time threads are left alone, unless it may "contain" the potential to erupt into a full flame war, in which case it gets locked. If that is too much to handle, then there is the freedom to vote with one's feet.

how many people can vote with their feet before there isnt anyone left? this is over being called a liar. how much more civil does someone have to be?

but the real question? would this be happening if the offending statement had occurred in a openly unmoderated opt in smack forum?

on a side note-

isnt a forum a place for debate? are people who dont moderate a forum to be criticized for reading the forum or making a post which while potentially unpopular expresses their opinion? maybe the problem is that people arent all sunshine and unicorns. everyone should wear a grey suit and conform. didnt think that canada went in for fascism...