Anyone interested in a non-scripting game?
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Kewlbreeze
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Cruncher wrote: To me, teaching players with scripts is like handing the keys to the ferrari to the 16 year old.
Teaching players with scripts is more like getting the 16 year old a car they can actually drive to keep up with traffic but you think they still need a trike. As for the afk script issue in a both offensive/defensive game… Why do you need to have the other player not on your team off line with out automated defense? Why not just play a game with no one else in it? If you were playing soccer would you ask that the other team take the goalie out so you can try and score Or better yet if you have the ball the other team has to leave the field.
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Cruncher
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Singularity wrote: Yeh, but off-robbing isn't exactly a major issue. Worst case, recover from the fake and move on. A good team script handles all that anyway. And you presume everyone is going to want to use team SDT? The players I play with are at the keys whenever you see them logged on. We play our turns every day, and have a level of disapline rarely seen in players who've become accoustomed to bot play. Again, back to my point. We don't want to learn how to play bot wars, we enjoy playing the game of trade wars.
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Cruncher
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Kewlbreeze wrote: As for the afk script issue in a both offensive/defensive game… Why do you need to have the other player not on your team off line with out automated defense? Why not just play a game with no one else in it? If you were playing soccer would you ask that the other team take the goalie out so you can try and score Or better yet if you have the ball the other team has to leave the field. Because I don't want to play against automation. I want to play against real people, not video games. The goalie is still there, the sectors have defenses. But are they enough to stand up to an invasion? You see, in low turn time limit games, you do have the ability to build strong enough defenses to survive an off-line invasion. I've played with Xanos and T.R. in HHT 2010 Replay, I played your "style", I let Xan bot me and I botted him. I was bored to death - that was loneliest I've ever felt in a game. I don't care for that style of play at all. If my only choices are to only play 100% manual or 100% heavy scripting - I go manual. It all boils down to choices. We each get to choose the types of games we prefer to play. Neither is right or wrong, but they may just feel that way to the other.
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Singularity
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Cruncher wrote: We play our turns every day, and have a level of disapline rarely seen in players who've become accoustomed to bot play. Sure ya do... lol. Cruncher wrote: Again, back to my point. We don't want to learn how to play bot wars, we enjoy playing the game of trade wars. Scared of the script, eh? 
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Cruncher
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Singularity wrote: Scared of the script, eh?  Not at all, didn't sign up to learn a programing language. Just want to play a game. But now seems I just might want to learn, but not to play a game, but to bring back a style that's missing today. 
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Big D
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I comprehend that you don't want to use afk scripts, however, you can't dictate what the other players do. Play your style, they'll play thier style, and see where the chips may fall. Just for your information, I love my competition to use afk scripts against me. They be ship destroyed and I'll own the planet they are using in no time. For instance, ask KB and Raptor how thier afk kill scripts worked out for them in the recent ICE tourney. 
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Cruncher
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Big D wrote: I comprehend that you don't want to use afk scripts, however, you can't dictate what the other players do. Play your style, they'll play thier style, and see where the chips may fall. Just for your information, I love my competition to use afk scripts against me. They be ship destroyed and I'll own the planet they are using in no time.  I'm soon to put up my own server, so as a sysop I would like a way to bring back a style that's missing today. I beleive there are enough players who would appreciate it, and play it.
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Big D
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Cruncher wrote: Big D wrote: I comprehend that you don't want to use afk scripts, however, you can't dictate what the other players do. Play your style, they'll play thier style, and see where the chips may fall. Just for your information, I love my competition to use afk scripts against me. They be ship destroyed and I'll own the planet they are using in no time.  I'm soon to put up my own server, so as a sysop I would like a way to bring back a style that's missing today. I beleive there are enough players who would appreciate it, and play it. You'll be surprised. Let me know how many players you get and then we'll debate it.
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Kewlbreeze
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Cruncher wrote: Because I don't want to play against automation.
Not saying you have to, there are a lot of empty games out there… But then again aren’t aliens some form of automation? Cruncher wrote: I want to play against real people, not video games.
If your asking that the real people have to be off line for you to play, are you really playing against real people? Dunno if you know this or not but I heard this is a video game. Cruncher wrote: The goalie is still there, the sectors have defenses. But are they enough to stand up to an invasion?
After playing against some of the players you have… How can you figure that the defenses are enough to stand up to an invasion? Most edits you can rip someone’s defenses apparent if someone or an afk script/bot isn’t there for added defense to stop the proverbial ball.. Cruncher wrote: You see, in low turn time limit games, you do have the ability to build strong enough defenses to survive an off-line invasion.
Not Really, I’m struggling to think of an edit that you can build strong enough defenses to stop an invasion when the photons are on Just relying on sector defenses. Cruncher wrote: I've played with Xanos and T.R. in HHT 2010 Replay, I played your "style", I let Xan bot me and I botted him. I was bored to death - that was loneliest I've ever felt in a game. I don't care for that style of play at all. If my only choices are to only play 100% manual or 100% heavy scripting - I go manual.
I’m not asking you to play any % script, I’m pointing out how your logic is flaud to try and force or criticize others to revert to your style. If you want to play your style, I think most of us have said have at it, but why do you keep what seems to me complaining about the rest of us not wanting to play your way. Cruncher wrote: It all boils down to choices. We each get to choose the types of games we prefer to play. Neither is right or wrong, but they may just feel that way to the other. Do you see the players that do use script’s starting threads to criticize non scripter’s, OR more rebuttal to non scripter’s complaining about scripts? Seems a lot of us keep giving you alternatives but you not happy with the fact most of us don’t want to play non scripted.
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Kewlbreeze wrote: After playing against some of the players you have… How can you figure that the defenses are enough to stand up to an invasion? Most edits you can rip someone’s defenses apparent if someone or an afk script/bot isn’t there for added defense to stop the proverbial ball..
Most of the edits you play yes, the one I’m currently playing, my defenses held. Kewlbreeze wrote: Do you see the players that do use script’s starting threads to criticize non scripter’s, OR more rebuttal to non scripter’s complaining about scripts? Seems a lot of us keep giving you alternatives but you not happy with the fact most of us don’t want to play non scripted. I’m not trying to convert anyone, just offer a flavor that’s not available yet. Most of the players who don’t use aggressive scripts don’t read or post here. This forum is mainly the domain of the AFK script players.
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Kavanagh
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I will make a major effort to avoid having my post deleted and/or my account cancelled, in the absence of a smack talk forum. You do not get it. Many people do not like your favorite twixie pixie tw games. Many do not like the original version, where TWX doesnt really work worth a dam, and for that very reason. Hey, who cares? play whats fun for you. I like both. I do not like using twixie scwipts. I have no problem with those who do use them against me tho. I have nothing but disdain for those who use them to lock up a game against newbies and returnees however, most particularly when those who do so cant even write a script to logon. They are just using daddy's loaded AK47. If that is what punches your ticket, well, dunno what else to say. Kavanagh Kewlbreeze wrote: Cruncher wrote: Because I don't want to play against automation.
Not saying you have to, there are a lot of empty games out there… But then again aren’t aliens some form of automation? Cruncher wrote: I want to play against real people, not video games.
If your asking that the real people have to be off line for you to play, are you really playing against real people? Dunno if you know this or not but I heard this is a video game. Cruncher wrote: The goalie is still there, the sectors have defenses. But are they enough to stand up to an invasion?
After playing against some of the players you have… How can you figure that the defenses are enough to stand up to an invasion? Most edits you can rip someone’s defenses apparent if someone or an afk script/bot isn’t there for added defense to stop the proverbial ball.. Cruncher wrote: You see, in low turn time limit games, you do have the ability to build strong enough defenses to survive an off-line invasion.
Not Really, I’m struggling to think of an edit that you can build strong enough defenses to stop an invasion when the photons are on Just relying on sector defenses. Cruncher wrote: I've played with Xanos and T.R. in HHT 2010 Replay, I played your "style", I let Xan bot me and I botted him. I was bored to death - that was loneliest I've ever felt in a game. I don't care for that style of play at all. If my only choices are to only play 100% manual or 100% heavy scripting - I go manual.
I’m not asking you to play any % script, I’m pointing out how your logic is flaud to try and force or criticize others to revert to your style. If you want to play your style, I think most of us have said have at it, but why do you keep what seems to me complaining about the rest of us not wanting to play your way. Cruncher wrote: It all boils down to choices. We each get to choose the types of games we prefer to play. Neither is right or wrong, but they may just feel that way to the other. Do you see the players that do use script’s starting threads to criticize non scripter’s, OR more rebuttal to non scripter’s complaining about scripts? Seems a lot of us keep giving you alternatives but you not happy with the fact most of us don’t want to play non scripted.
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Kewlbreeze
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Cruncher wrote: Kewlbreeze wrote: After playing against some of the players you have… How can you figure that the defenses are enough to stand up to an invasion? Most edits you can rip someone’s defenses apparent if someone or an afk script/bot isn’t there for added defense to stop the proverbial ball..
Most of the edits you play yes, the one I’m currently playing, my defenses held. Without knowing the edit I would still guess if someone attempted invade you it was not by one of the players here or the starting point in the game were offset where you started well before the invading party did. Example the game you played against us when you first came back with over a month lead. Cruncher wrote: Kewlbreeze wrote: Do you see the players that do use script’s starting threads to criticize non scripter’s, OR more rebuttal to non scripter’s complaining about scripts? Seems a lot of us keep giving you alternatives but you not happy with the fact most of us don’t want to play non scripted. I’m not trying to convert anyone, just offer a flavor that’s not available yet. That isn’t how your post read but then again tone doesn’t transfer over type. Cruncher wrote: Most of the players who don’t use aggressive scripts don’t read or post here. This forum is mainly the domain of the AFK script players. So your saying your posting to the wrong crowed?
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Kewlbreeze wrote: So your saying your posting to the wrong crowed? No, I have a few supporters here that have actually adapted to modern play but prefer the style I'm trying to bring back.
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Kewlbreeze
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Kavanagh wrote: I will make a major effort to avoid having my post deleted and/or my account cancelled, in the absence of a smack talk forum.
You do not get it.
Is it me or is it you? Kavanagh wrote: Many people do not like your favorite twixie pixie tw games. Many do not like the original version, where TWX doesnt really work worth a dam, and for that very reason.
So you think on one is happy about anything, ok, but my point and questions are pertaining to making changes that effect me and how I play. The powers that be say that the changes aren’t going to effect game play and scripter’s due to options. My concerns are they already have effected me on different servers so I should go talk to the sysop about that due to the passing of the buck and it’s up the sysop what TWGS they choose to run and how they set it. I get that. Yet you don’t see me starting threads about people need to use scripts, and a majority of my post are on the defensive to those who want to try and implement non scripting and limiting my ability to defend what I have spent a far amount of time to acquire in the game. So is it me that doesn’t get it or is it you? Kavanagh wrote: Hey, who cares? play whats fun for you.
That’s what I do, The problem is that changes to TWGS have in the last year been creating issues for me to do that. Kavanagh wrote: I like both. I do not like using twixie scwipts. I have no problem with those who do use them against me tho.
That is where the difference is, is someone uses them or not makes no difference to me but to try and force someone not to use them or preach to try and for people to revert to non scripting.. That is a concern. Kavanagh wrote: I have nothing but disdain for those who use them to lock up a game against newbies and returnees however, most particularly when those who do so cant even write a script to logon. They are just using daddy's loaded AK47. If that is what punches your ticket, well, dunno what else to say.
Kavanagh
You already said it “Hey, who cares? play whats fun for you.” I’m saying stop trying to implement change to that.
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Kewlbreeze
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Cruncher wrote: Kewlbreeze wrote: Cruncher wrote: Most of the players who don’t use aggressive scripts don’t read or post here. This forum is mainly the domain of the AFK script players. So your saying your posting to the wrong crowed? No, I have a few supporters here that have actually adapted to modern play but prefer the style I'm trying to bring back. Sure seems like an antigun activist preaching to the gun club. If you don’t want to use scripts then don’t, if you do then go for it, we have all given you options for both. You don’t see us starting threads saying you have to use scripts, You do see a lot of stop trying to tell us not to use scripts.
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