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John Pritchett
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
I'll set up some stress tests to see if I can reproduce any disruption in input or output that might have caused that.
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| Wed May 04, 2011 8:59 am |
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Crosby
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
I noticed the other day that the fig listing had some quirky output. It would have the sector number, and number if fighters, but where it would normally put Def/Toll it had a N/A
I'll check it again here in a bit.
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| Wed May 04, 2011 6:17 pm |
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Cruncher
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
Is anyone else having trouble remaining connected to the server, or maybe you don't know if you've dropped if you run a relogger.
I've been dropping quite a bit in game M, and wonder if it has anything to do with the gold aliens. Running wsst with abort display, I can't make out if my drop was triggered by something in the game or just a bad connection. But when I ran wsst in game L, I ran all day until I maxed out on the amount of credits I could hold.
Command [TL=00:00:00]:[2316] (?=Help)? : <Re-Display>
Command [TL=00:00:00]:[2316] (?=Help)? : P
Enter your choice [T] ? R <Thievery>
Docking [Pause]
(R)ob this port, (S)teal product or (Q)uit (?=Help) S
Which product? (1)Fuel Ore, (2)Organics or (3)Equipment (Q=Quit) ? 3
How many holds of Equipment to swipe? [230] 230 You start your droids loading the cargo and Success!
Command [TL=00:00:00]:[2316] (?=Help)? : X
<I> Ship details
Choose which ship to beam to (Q=Quit) 6 Security code accepted, engaging transporter control. <I> Ship details
Choose which ship to beam to (Q=Quit)
Command [TL=00:00:00]:[26450] (?=Help)? : Connection lost.
Attempting to connect to: twgs.classictw.com:23
Connection lost.
Connect cancelled.
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| Wed May 04, 2011 7:28 pm |
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Cruncher
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
Cosby - is this what you're seeing with the fig display?
I copied every anomoly I could find as far back as my scroll back buffer would take me. I was hoping to see some sort of pattern, but don't.
Here we see a random m 8296 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8297 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8302 1 Corp Defensive m N/A 8361 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8366 1 Corp Defensive N/A
Here we're missing whether the fig in sector 8639 is Defensive or Toll 8628 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8630 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8633 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8637 1 Corp Toll 0 8639 1 Corp 8682 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8683 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8686 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8690 1 Corp Defensive N/A 8691 1 Corp Defensive N/A
Same here. 9278 1 Corp Defensive N/A 9280 1 Corp Defensive N/A 9282 1 Corp 9301 1 Corp Defens ve N/A 9302 1 Corp Defensive N/A 9303 1 Corp Defensive N/A
We're missing type and the N 10127 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10128 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10129 1 Corp /A 10158 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10159 1 Corp Defensive N/A
Missing type 10560 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10562 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10563 1 Corp Toll 10704 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10705 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10706 1 Corp Defensive N/A
10777 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10778 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10785 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10788 1 Corp Defensive 10831 1 C orp Defensive N/A 10833 1 Corp Defensive N/A 10835 1 Corp Defensive N/A
11156 1 Corp Defensive N/A 11157 1 Corp Defensive N/A 11160 1 Corp 11162 1 Corp Defensive N/A 11164 1 Corp Defensive N/A 11165 1 Corp Defensive N/A 11167 1 Corp Toll 0
11201 1 Corp Defensive N/A 11203 1 Corp 11450 1 Corp Defens ive N/A 11454 1 Corp Defensive N/A 11455 1 Corp Defensive N/A
12224 1 Corp Defensive N/A 12225 1 Corp Toll 0 12226 1 Corp 12230 1 Corp Defensiv e N/A 12231 1 Corp Defensive N/A 12233 1 Corp Defensive N/A
Another random m 12359 1 Corp Defensive N/A 12360 1 Corp Defensive N/A m N/A 12463 1 Corp Defensive N/A 12464 1 Corp Defensive N/A
13231 1 Corp Defensive N/A 13232 1 Corp Defensive N/A 13234 1 Corp 13352 1 Corp Defensive N/A 13357 1 Corp Defensive N/A 13358 1 Corp Defensive N/A
13426 1 Corp Defensive N/A 13427 1 Corp Defensive N/A 13429 1 Corp N/A 13466 1 Corp Defensive N/A 13474 1 Corp Defensive N/A
14265 1 Corp Defensive N/A 14272 1 Corp Toll 0 14274 1 Corp Defensive Defensive N/A 14409 1 Corp Defensive N/A 14411 1 Corp Defensive N/A
14959 1 Corp Defensive N/A 14960 1 Corp Defensive N/A 14961 1 Corp 14999 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15002 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15004 1 Corp Defensive N/A
15297 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15298 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15299 1 Corp 15382 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15383 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15384 1 Corp Defensive N/A
15812 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15814 1 Corp Defensive N/A N/A 15846 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15847 1 Corp Defensive N/A
15912 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15914 1 Corp Defensive N/A 15915 1 Corp Corp Defensive N/A 16027 1 Corp Defensive N/A 16028 1 Corp Defensive N/A
16401 1 Corp Toll 0 16402 1 Corp Defensive N/A 16403 1 Corp 16437 1 Corp Defens ive N/A 16438 1 Corp Defensive N/A 16439 1 Corp Defensive N/A
16661 1 Corp Defensive N/A 16662 1 Corp Defensive N/A 16663 1 16800 1 Corp Defensive N/A 16801 1 Corp Defensive N/A 16802 1 Corp Defensive N/A
17726 1 Corp Defensive N/A 17728 1 Corp Defensive N/A 17730 1 Corp 17847 1 Corp Defensive N/A 17848 1 Corp Defensive N/A 17849 1 Corp Defensive N/A
18207 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18209 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18210 1 Corp 18307 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18309 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18310 1 Corp Defensive N/A
18738 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18746 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18750 1 Corp 18851 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18854 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18855 1 Corp Toll 0
18964 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18966 1 Corp Defensive N/A 18970 1 Corp Defensive Defensive N/A 19003 1 Corp Defensive N/A 19004 1 Corp Toll 0 19008 1 Corp Defensive N/A
19314 1 Corp Defensive N/A 19319 1 Corp Defensive N/A 19320 1 Corp 19376 1 Corp Defens ive N/A 19377 1 Corp Defensive N/A 19378 1 Corp Defensive N/A
19966 1 Corp Defensive N/A 19967 1 Corp Defensive N/A 19969 20006 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20007 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20011 1 Corp Defensive N/A
20336 1 Corp Toll 0 20338 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20340 1 Corp 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20344 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20346 1 Corp Defensive N/A
20394 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20397 1 Corp Defensive N/A m N/A 20549 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20550 1 Corp Defensive N/A
20805 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20807 1 Corp Defensive N/A 208 20927 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20930 1 Corp Defensive N/A 20931 1 Corp Toll 0
21836 1 Corp Defensive N/A 21837 1 Corp Defensive N/A 21838 1 Corp 21904 1 Corp Defensive N/A 21905 1 Corp Defensive N/A 21907 1 Corp Defensive N/A
23107 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23111 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23112 1 Corp 23127 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23130 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23132 1 Corp Defensive N/A
23434 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23438 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23440 1 Corp 23533 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23541 1 Corp Defensive N/A 23549 1 Corp Toll 0
24205 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24209 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24211 1 Corp 24310 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24311 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24313 1 Corp Defensive N/A
24769 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24770 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24772 1 Corp 24811 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24813 1 Corp Defensive N/A 24815 1 Corp Defensive N/A
25115 1 Corp Toll 0 25117 1 Corp Defensive 25191 1 Cor p Defensive N/A 25192 1 Corp Defensive N/A 25197 1 Corp Defensive N/A
26730 1 Corp Defensive N/A 26733 1 Corp Defensive N/A 26734 1 Corp Toll 26814 1 Corp Defensive N/A 26816 1 Corp Defensive N/A 26819 1 Corp Toll 0
27522 1 Corp Toll 0 27524 1 Corp 27543 1 Corp Defensiv e N/A 27544 1 Corp Defensive N/A 27548 1 Corp Toll 0
27877 1 Corp Defensive N/A 27881 1 Corp Defensive N/A 27882 1 Corp 27923 1 Corp Toll 0 27927 1 Corp Toll 0 27930 1 Corp Defensive N/A
28364 1 Corp Defensive N/A 28366 1 Corp Defensive N/A 28367 1 Corp Defensive 28590 1 Corp Defensive N/A 28592 1 Corp Defensive N/A 28594 1 Corp Defensive N/A
29079 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29083 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29089 1 Corp 29141 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29143 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29147 1 Corp Defensive N/A
29618 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29619 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29620 1 Corp 29632 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29635 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29637 1 Corp Defensive N/A
29740 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29742 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29747 1 Corp 29795 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29797 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29798 1 Corp Defensive N/A
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| Wed May 04, 2011 7:58 pm |
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Crosby
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
I just checked figs in game M and it was smooth as silk. I don't think it was like you're showing above, that looks like an i/o display kinda thing.
this was odd in that it had the 1 in the number of figs column but had no 'corp' or 'Def/Toll/Off' at all. sorry i didn't get a cap of it, but I think it was fixed the same time the FedCom bit got fixed.
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| Wed May 04, 2011 9:46 pm |
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Cruncher
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
It's still looking like this to me. Using TWX/Mombot/Swath I ran mowgrid tonight, So, there's a lot more figs down. I haven't been clearing my mail either, just trying to booger things up if I can. 
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| Wed May 04, 2011 10:12 pm |
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John Pritchett
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
There was a memory leak that created a low-memory condition, and during that time there could be any number of crazy things happening. Let's just keep an eye out and see if anything happens again.
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| Thu May 05, 2011 10:10 am |
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Cruncher
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
It was much cleaner when I first entered the game, but see more of the same again.
Do you want to continue with this game file or reset it fresh?
29429 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29430 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29431 1 Corp 29454 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29455 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29456 1 Corp Defensive N/A
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| Thu May 05, 2011 11:02 pm |
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John Pritchett
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to. Is there a bug you're seeing?
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| Thu May 05, 2011 11:12 pm |
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Big D
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
John Pritchett wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to. Is there a bug you're seeing? I've seen this before even in the old version, so I think what Cruncher is seeing isn't a bug in TW but display problems connected with the the telnet client. I've seen it with zoc and I'm sure swath does the same thing at times when you have scripts processing a lot of data quickly and the data is being displayed quickly. It must not effect text captures, because my scripts that write screen data to file always seem to capture the correct data in correct order.
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| Fri May 06, 2011 8:26 am |
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Cruncher
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
Big D wrote: John Pritchett wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you're referring to. Is there a bug you're seeing? I've seen this before even in the old version, so I think what Cruncher is seeing isn't a bug in TW but display problems connected with the the telnet client. I've seen it with zoc and I'm sure swath does the same thing at times when you have scripts processing a lot of data quickly and the data is being displayed quickly. It must not effect text captures, because my scripts that write screen data to file always seem to capture the correct data in correct order. OK, not a bug then, just something out of the ordinary. In game M I'm using Swath -> TWX -> which then connects to the game. Then I start Mombot and run the trading scripts. (Log files kept both in Swath & TWX) I've not seen that when I use Zoc -> TWX -> game. But then when I'm using Zoc as my telnet client I'm running Mombot trading scripts in the Non-Gold Game. (Log file only in TWX) Do you want to plan on running a game to really play starting next weekend? Not this weekend, don't want to anger the Mom's. 
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| Fri May 06, 2011 10:31 am |
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John Pritchett
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
Oh, I see the issue in that output. Missed it the first time around.
29431 1 Corp 29454 1 Corp Defensive N/A
That's two lines mashed together. Or maybe one line incomplete and the next line overwriting it. I'd be interested in seeing any instance where the data coming from TW is actually missing characters like this. That's definitely something I would need to track down.
Yeah, I'd like to start a real game soon. I just finished adding a feature to set a future start date for a game and TWGS will automatically open it. I'd like a guest gameop to come in and use the remote connection to setup and manage this game as a test of the remote admin features.
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| Sat May 07, 2011 1:50 am |
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Big D
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
I would do it, but I'm going to be out of town all next week and the weekend also. If it happens after I get back I can help.
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| Sat May 07, 2011 2:10 am |
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Cruncher
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 Re: SubZero opening on beta server
I'd love to guest gameop the classic game.
Maybe we can open both the classic and one of SG's edits Big D or Sing can guest gameop the game more suited for script play.
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| Sat May 07, 2011 9:07 am |
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Crosby
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I'm seeing the same kinda output on my end, zoc had this: 29462 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29463 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29464 29711 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29712 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29713 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29714 1 Corp Defensive N/A and swath has this: 29307 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29308 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29309 1 Corp 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29465 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29466 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29467 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29468 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29469 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29470 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29471 1 Corp Defensive N/A hmm wait, what? This the same game?? So I run figs again... Now zoc has this: 29460 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29461 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29462 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29463 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29464 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29465 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29466 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29467 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29468 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29469 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29470 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29471 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29472 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29473 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29474 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29475 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29476 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29477 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29478 1 Corp Defensive N/A And swath's output is: 29286 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29287 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29334 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29335 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29336 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29337 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29338 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29339 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29340 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29341 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29342 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29343 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29344 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29345 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29346 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29347 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29348 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29349 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29350 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29351 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29352 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29353 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29354 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29355 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29356 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29357 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29358 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29359 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29360 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29361 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29362 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29363 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29364 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29365 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29366 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29367 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29368 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29369 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29370 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29371 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29372 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29373 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29374 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29375 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29376 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29377 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29378 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29379 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29380 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29381 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29382 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29383 1 Corp Defensive N/A 29384 1 Corp Defensive N/A It looks like the output of the first figs had a hiccup, for lack of a better word? Forgive the fig posting Crunch...we got a 99% grid anyway..
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