So if I don't use the option, then Who's Online will be available via the current method- # in the TWGS menu and # in-game. If I use the option, they are disabled on both, but may be available via Admin. Did i get that straight and correct?

I don't use the option, but I don't really understand why the # key to see Who's Online at the TWGS menu is going to make a difference to a game. To me, it means we have to take time from our busy schedule to alter server-side scripts that help make our site automated and get what we need differently.

I see two people in agreement- you and Cruncher, and this should not "solidify" the decision. I would think John would want to ask all here what their opinion is, and not just players. Otherwise some of us Sysops may just stay with the current setup we have and be done with any future upgrading. And perhaps the # key is used in different aspects by people (players and Sysops) but we can hide Who's Online already. Why take that even further is beyond me.

Ok, I'm going to try something different.

Rather than just locking threads and/or moving it to Smack, in which case John will never reply to our questions, or having people assume it was smack or a personal attack. I will ask the poster if they would consider editing their posts before I move them.

Kewlbreeze, would you consider editing your post so that it won't have to be moved? This way it is not assumed you made a personal attack.

Discussion is good, put ideas out and get feedback. JP can filter through the feedback determine if it has merit or not and propose the questions. But if it will add an option and not currently change anything is there really anything to discuss? Options are good, hard-coded changes without discussion is bad.
I would use the Hide Node option.

yes as i understand that is exactly correct.


The reason that people want the change was laid out more in T0ymans post then any of my own.



I see two people in agreement- you and Cruncher, and this should not "solidify" the decision. I would think John would want to ask all here what their opinion is, and not just players. Otherwise some of us Sysops may just stay with the current setup we have and be done with any future upgrading. And perhaps the # key is used in different aspects by people (players and Sysops) but we can hide Who's Online already. Why take that even further is beyond me.[/quote]


i believe T0yman is also in somewhat agreement that it would help certain types of games.I could be wrong but thats what i got from his post..But as long as its just an option i dont see why anyone would really object..

Ok, I follow. Thanks for clarifying.

It's not a "personal attack" She started the thread did she not.... She continues to start similar threads does she not? If she didn't start these threads I would have no one to direct the comet to, ya think?

Well I edited it..but if it is a "personal attack" please just move it to smack because I don't see it as one.... or are we not allowed to say the C word anymore. LOL

Looks okay from my view. Now I won't have to move anything.

Thank you.

I don't want to remove it at all, just limit how often it updates.

Maybe we need two options - real-time updates for sysops, the same as in game CLV, and limited updated from outside the game.

I hadn't even concidered the # show player option since that is currently on a toggle.

And I will script a solution if you did. So what is the point?

I have no use for games where i cant see who is playing.
I don't believe in "free" gridding or in red coloing without risk
Or the comp ore whoring/planet making etc without notification.
Completely alien to the game altogether.

I just want to get this back on topic. Show or hide players is currently a toggle, no need to debate. Personally I like to see who's online.

My area of concern is Time Limit games. There are currently costs involved in logging in to gain information, and that's all fine, but there's NO cost for someone to sit outside the game and monitor the High Scores List.

I'm just asking that the High Scores List NOT update in real-time like the CLV but rather once daily at extern or at the very least hourly as Big D suggests.

As with any change we propose, naturally on a toggle.

It is good to get the opinions and discussions from others. Maybe it would be good to not assume that it won't affect us SysOps that have spent a large amount of time developing our sites the way they are. I use the H key in the menu via my server script. It logs in as Admin, switches the mode from Tedit to TW mode, then accesses the game and presses H to pull scores. I also use the # key from the TWGS menu and post a Who's Online page. Now it may change, causing us to have to revamp. Or it may change *if* I use an option toggled to on/yes...

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**Disclaimer**

This is in no way a personal attack on my part towards John or anyone with ideas for his changes. This is just an opinion from a SysOp point of view since my wife and I have worked hard to create and provide information on our TWGS in our website. If this will be a "toggle-able option", meaning if I set to "OFF/NO" and it does not disable the # key both in the game and in the TWGS menu, then it does not affect what we do as Sysops and it is of no concern to me. If that is not the case and it interferes with our current setup, then that becomes a problem for us.

I think if points come up for discussion, then anyone and everyone should have a chance to express their view and it be considered, not have one or two or three say it is a good idea and it is made. As someone said earlier, changes are good- changes without input/discussion is not good.

I can get the info without cost regardless.So whats the point?