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Kewlbreeze
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 Re: Old School Edit
Kewlbreeze wrote: Cruncher wrote: Get in, run your turns, set your defenses, kill your enemy then log off until the next day and hope you haven’t been killed.
That’s how everyone is playing it now. HiTechRedneck wrote: Actually, that is not how a lot of people are playing it now.
Actually her statement is both redundant and hypocritical in the sense of them running afk script…those are “SET YOUR DEFENSES” Derp? HiTechRedneck wrote: there are 5 people in 2 corps in the game that I am in right now that haven't logged off for more than 24 hours TOTAL since this game was banged almost a month ago. Are you saying that these people can go weeks with no sleep at all? No trips to the grocery store, or going to work? They are not logging off, and are using AFK scripts to kill anyone who touches a toll fig.
Nope not what I said at all…. And I have the public offensive scripts to go around there afk defensive scripts. So They Sleep for sure… they go AFK for sure …. But weather they are there or not makes no difference to me. Personally I find it easier when they aren’t there, but Cruncher is saying she prefers it if they are there. So really what difference does it make? Now if you go off line Against me and my Team the game is over. So I’d expect you to stay on 24/7 or don’t play against us. HiTechRedneck wrote: When I log off, I expect to lose some toll figs. I also understand that there is a good chance that if someone knows where I am, I am going to be attacked. Yet I still log off. I prefer to play against, and with, someone with the same expectations. Someone who actually plays the game, instead of playing for a little while, then letting their computer cover their backside while thay are off doing whatever.
Well sounds like you’re a time limit game player…not a bad thing really…but you fit in that style. So really what difference does it make if they run scripts to “cover their back sides” gives us more of a challenge does it not? Killing someone or a team that is off line…lol… no challenge no skill… wast of time..yes/no…derp fun derp? HiTechRedneck wrote: I would not want to eliminate any scripts. Gods know that I am entirely too lazy to type m1^mlt^mm20000^mlsnl^mq 100+ times in a session to do a colonist run. Just ain't happening. But if you are done playing for a while, or you're going to bed, LOG OFF.
Why?…I’d rather ya stay on line till we SD ya… HiTechRedneck wrote: Yes, you will probably lose some toll figs. Yes, you stand a chance of being invaded. Yes, you might even log in after breakfast only to discover that you are now SD. So what?
So what?…hahah…Games over that’s what. You just wasted what ever amount of time you put into it. HiTechRedneck wrote: Welcome to TradeWars. You can either quit, or start again at midnight.
You won’t get back into the game at midnight…..yes you can log in but you will sit in sec 1. You try and move from there and you’ll be SD on haz ……depending on the edit of course….some edits you will just be confined to secs 1-10. But still games over. HiTechRedneck wrote: I'm guessing that is mostly what Crusher means by "old school". And if that is her definition, then I agree 100%. No that is not her definition…Her definition is “Let me win” but even then I think she post more just to be as challenging as possible…which is why MOST her post contradict MOST her other posts. It’s a bipolar thing.
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Kewlbreeze
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Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:00 am Posts: 1419 Location: USA
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 Re: Old School Edit
Big D wrote: She wants to get in the game, build her base, run her turns, invade and kill her enemy, HOWEVER, her enemy isn't allowed to kill her? Is that what she said or did I misunderstand it? Basically yes…but if she can’t kill her enemy when both are online, then she expects them to log out when they are done so she can. But the Simple explanation is: if she isn’t winning then it’s no fun and isn’t fair and isn’t old school and scripts are bad and people need to log in create an account and let her SD them and Derp and not kill her and bow down and take in everything she says as truth and derp and not use script what so ever because she is the only one allowed to do that and trolling is fun just ask helix and T-edit and no scripts and there’s no way to set up an edit like that and twx has good scripts and bot are bad unless she’s using it and things have changed for the better and things need to change back to how they were and anyone that beats her is a scripter because macros can’t kill her and and derpitty derp derp… did she change her avatar yet…that thing that booger found was great…lol
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Cruncher
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 Re: Old School Edit
Big D wrote: She wants to get in the game, build her base, run her turns, invade and kill her enemy, HOWEVER, her enemy isn't allowed to kill her? Is that what she said or did I misunderstand it? No, exactly as hightechredneck described. I'm gonna get killed and I'm going to do some killing, and some building and some invading... all aspects of the game. If you invade and kill me while I'm logged off, so be it. That's how we played in the day. On rare occation we did 1-2-1 ship to ship attacks in a casual game, more so in the tourneys of course. But yes, most all invasions and killing was done while your opponent was logged off. Build adequate defenses or die basically. My complaint is the same as hightechredneck, you people don't log off, you don't turn your kill scripts off! We want low turn time limit games! We want to play against real people NOT automation. I feel like I've said this once or twice before.. 
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Space Ghost
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 Re: Old School Edit
Cruncher wrote: Big D wrote: She wants to get in the game, build her base, run her turns, invade and kill her enemy, HOWEVER, her enemy isn't allowed to kill her? Is that what she said or did I misunderstand it? No, exactly as hightechredneck described. I'm gonna get killed and I'm going to do some killing, and some building and some invading... all aspects of the game. If you invade and kill me while I'm logged off, so be it. That's how we played in the day. On rare occation we did 1-2-1 ship to ship attacks in a casual game, more so in the tourneys of course. But yes, most all invasions and killing was done while your opponent was logged off. Build adequate defenses or die basically. My complaint is the same as hightechredneck, you people don't log off, you don't turn your kill scripts off! We want low turn time limit games! We want to play against real people NOT automation. I feel like I've said this once or twice before..  great so um why dont you ask a sysop to set up a time limit game? You understand it will prolly just be you and redneck maybe a few others? then Get to it and Arrange your host and play YOUR game. why go to other people games that dont have time limits and complain about it........Play the game that has time limits and be happy...Ask a sysop to set it up. Then you wont have to say it a 3rd time.
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booger
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 Re: Old School Edit
or a 9th time, or a 53rd time...
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Space Ghost
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 Re: Old School Edit
HiTechRedneck wrote: Actually, that is not how a lot of people are playing it now. there are 5 people in 2 corps in the game that I am in right now that haven't logged off for more than 24 hours TOTAL since this game was banged almost a month ago. Are you saying that these people can go weeks with no sleep at all? No trips to the grocery store, or going to work? They are not logging off, and are using AFK scripts to kill anyone who touches a toll fig. When I log off, I expect to lose some toll figs. I also understand that there is a good chance that if someone knows where I am, I am going to be attacked. Yet I still log off. I prefer to play against, and with, someone with the same expectations. Someone who actually plays the game, instead of playing for a little while, then letting their computer cover their backside while thay are off doing whatever. I would not want to eliminate any scripts. Gods know that I am entirely too lazy to type m1^mlt^mm20000^mlsnl^mq 100+ times in a session to do a colonist run. Just ain't happening. But if you are done playing for a while, or you're going to bed, LOG OFF. Yes, you will probably lose some toll figs. Yes, you stand a chance of being invaded. Yes, you might even log in after breakfast only to discover that you are now SD. So what? Welcome to TradeWars. You can either quit, or start again at midnight. I'm guessing that is mostly what Crusher means by "old school". And if that is her definition, then I agree 100%. i dont understand HiTech....if you don't like the type of game where people can possibly be online 24/7,,Why arent you playing or requesting to play Time Limit Games....Heck Add you don't want ptorps turned on and you should be playing the game you love the way you love to play it. Why try to change the players in your game to play the way YOU want?
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booger
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 Re: Old School Edit
from a logical perspective here i think afk scripts make a lot of sense. these ships with thousands of fighters arent manned by one guy, and that guy has to sleep. the whole ship isnt going to sleep at the same time, theres always going to be a crew on the bridge, in the engineering, and manning the necessary ship functions. in fact, id expect my '# 2' to execute basic defense and attack while i slept or hed not likely be #2 for long...
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Promethius
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booger wrote: from a logical perspective here i think afk scripts make a lot of sense. these ships with thousands of fighters arent manned by one guy, and that guy has to sleep. the whole ship isnt going to sleep at the same time, theres always going to be a crew on the bridge, in the engineering, and manning the necessary ship functions. in fact, id expect my '# 2' to execute basic defense and attack while i slept or hed not likely be #2 for long... Logic is not part of the equation.
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Cruncher
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Space Ghost wrote: great so um why dont you ask a sysop to set up a time limit game? You understand it will prolly just be you and redneck maybe a few others? then Get to it and Arrange your host and play YOUR game. why go to other people games that dont have time limits and complain about it........Play the game that has time limits and be happy...Ask a sysop to set it up. Then you wont have to say it a 3rd time. Who's going to be the bouncer to check the kill scripts at the door? And excuse me, but I know how they get around time limit games too with scripts that monitor the high score list. VK told me all about those. VK tells me his team is even more powerful in TL games.
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Kewlbreeze
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Cruncher wrote: Space Ghost wrote: great so um why dont you ask a sysop to set up a time limit game? You understand it will prolly just be you and redneck maybe a few others? then Get to it and Arrange your host and play YOUR game. why go to other people games that dont have time limits and complain about it........Play the game that has time limits and be happy...Ask a sysop to set it up. Then you wont have to say it a 3rd time. Who's going to be the bouncer to check the kill scripts at the door? And excuse me, but I know how they get around time limit games too with scripts that monitor the high score list. VK told me all about those. VK tells me his team is even more powerful in TL games. No one and no one can, that has already been addressed in numerous threads. There is no way now or will there ever be a way for you to stop scripter’s and the use of the kill scripts. Which is why I constantly recommend to you to build you own game with players that feel the same as you do then lock it. Problem solved. We are no more “powerful” in a TL game then any other game That you choose to log out in. If your fear is that we are so powerful in that type of game then obviously don’t put us on your invite list for any game you intend to play. It’s not like we are in every game out there dominating on every server. Derp Derp… and the way to potentially deal with that silly monitor script is to have a time penalty that takes effect when someone logs in and out. But yet again your statement just proves you Don’t really want to play people at keys, you don’t care if it’s automated or not. You want to play against people that are off line and I would define as playing with your self. Yet again you are just posting to be as challenging as possible now then aren’t you.
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HiTechRedneck
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Personally, I hate time limit games, and somewhat dislike low turn games. And back in the day, we did have a few people who tried to run "afk protection" scripts. Fortunately, we also had active Sysops on the BBS's (at least the ones I was active on) that monitored activity. If your ship was doing nothing but sitting in a cit, or repeating some mundane task like quit from the cit, then go right back in, the Sysop or Gameop would try talking to you. If you ignored him, you got kicked. If you came right back in, he would try talking to you again. If he got what he felt was maybe an automated reply, he would ask an off the wall question like "Why are firetrucks blue?". If you responded correctly, he would leave you be. If he got no response, or something obviously automated, you would be banned. It was that simple. So the "anti-afk-script" IS possible without time limits, or excruciatingly low turn limits. It just requires an active Sysop.
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Promethius
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HiTechRedneck wrote: ........ If he got what he felt was maybe an automated reply, he would ask an off the wall question like "Why are firetrucks blue?". If you responded correctly, he would leave you be. If he got no response, or something obviously automated, you would be banned. It was that simple. So the "anti-afk-script" IS possible without time limits, or excruciatingly low turn limits. It just requires an active Sysop. Bet we could script the sysOp to ask questions and evaluate the response. Two wrong answers and delete the account. Finally something actually interesting about this debate. Now, am I serious? And if so what part?
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Kewlbreeze
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HiTechRedneck wrote: Personally, I hate time limit games, and somewhat dislike low turn games. And back in the day, we did have a few people who tried to run "afk protection" scripts. Fortunately, we also had active Sysops on the BBS's (at least the ones I was active on) that monitored activity. If your ship was doing nothing but sitting in a cit, or repeating some mundane task like quit from the cit, then go right back in, the Sysop or Gameop would try talking to you. If you ignored him, you got kicked. If you came right back in, he would try talking to you again. If he got what he felt was maybe an automated reply, he would ask an off the wall question like "Why are firetrucks blue?". If you responded correctly, he would leave you be. If he got no response, or something obviously automated, you would be banned. It was that simple. So the "anti-afk-script" IS possible without time limits, or excruciatingly low turn limits. It just requires an active Sysop. It requires an active sysop but more specifically that is anti script. And that seems to be hard to find...how ever you could always go to Scofaxs server but even then I think he plays with scripts as well so I dunno.
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Kewlbreeze
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Promethius wrote: Bet we could script the sysOp to ask questions and evaluate the response. Two wrong answers and delete the account. Finally something actually interesting about this debate.
Now, am I serious? And if so what part?
Hmmm.... if you did make a script like that I think Cruncher should defiantly get a server just to run it...seems like her type of hypocrisy
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HiTechRedneck
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Promethius wrote: Bet we could script the sysOp to ask questions and evaluate the response. Two wrong answers and delete the account. Finally something actually interesting about this debate.
Now, am I serious? And if so what part? The only problem I can foresee with trying to script something like that would be that you would be dealing with a limited number of possible "odd-ball" questions. And a lot of people would simply compile a list of your scripts questions, and write a script to reply. (Although that may be interesting to watch, 2 scripts carrying on a conversation) Now consider the advantage of a "live" sysop. Take myself for example. I live in a house with 3 women, 50, 26 and 9. How many possible off-the-wall questions do you think I could generate inside of any given 5 minute period?
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