Then that is an issue with the edit itself that is being played since you can make an edit that slows red cashing - not with delay - but with the steal setting. Most games seem to run 60 or 70% with a few at 100% - change that setting to something like 250% and watch the balance on cashing -- but then there is no real reason to be red unless MBBS or for zeroing out blues experience.

We were talking about unintended actions in the game, and I've always thought the zeroing out a blues experience shouldn't happen - the reds yes. Supposedly the experience loss from a mixed corp was a negative (what is the purpose of the CLV on exp and ranking), but the way the game is played it isn't. Reds bust back up and blues are fedsafe. The blues should retain their experience and get rid of their safety net. A game of war and a player can't be attacked in fed because their mixed corp makes them fedsafe. Yeah, I know players are scared of losing their ability to sit at dock or colo safely, but to me it is lame.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

lame-o delux homes...

I think what Helix wants is a way to balance cashing out a bit between reds and blues in general and not just by edit. I do agree with him in one sense. The blues can't survive early in a game without reds, and the reds can't survive late in a game without blues. That being said, the only other option is a mixed corp. What is needed is a way to balance cashing throughout the enitre time frame of the game.
There are 2 ways to accomplish this.

1) Make it harder on reds to cash early in the game and easier to cash later in the game.
2) Make it easier for blues to cash earlier in the game and harder to cash later in the game.

I'm not going to suggest ways to do this, I'm just pointing out the issue.

That would certainly shake up game strategy and formula play, but only until the new pioneers of that type of play work out all the details.

H

I'm not talking about CIM, I'm talking about a full ZTM: A map without any
movement or exploration.

So your concern isn't really to the game itself but rather the edits chosen.

The cashing ability between reds and blues isn't unbalanced in the game, just
the edits you're playing in.

Don't be obtuse

H

No dude, this is an important distinction. Don't generalize the edits you play
with the game itself. There are a lot of blue heavy edits. What you want is
a fix for the edit, not for the game. Play a more diverse set of edits and you
won't have the problem. Much of this thread, and the discussion in entirety,
revolves around people who don't want to take responsibility for their own
issues and would rather externalize their blame elsewhere. That's weak, don't
be one of those people.

The problem is you're playing in edits with planets that never develop product
ability, or do so slowly enough that it's a moot point. Play different edits and
you won't feel that way.

I do like this idea. I was asking questions early on about mixed corp penalties thinking somethng about them had changed, but I think we never fully explored just when the exp. penalty triggered, that's why we ran red/blue teams rather than mixed corps back then.

But yes, a blue should not loose experience, I agree.

I'm observering a lot of agreement between several dedicated red players about what penalties should be imposed on blue players.
I'm thinking the change that unbalanced the scale between blue and red cashing the most is when this same type of discussion arose concerning eliminating the rob/steal delay.

I think it is a penalty to both red and blue. Red loses experience, blue maintains experience. The red's furber loses the ability to just sit at dock and wait for a call.

Yes, I know there are ways around this, but at least it would take a little work other than waiting on extern.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Yes, but it's one more thing that makes it more difficult to play blue on a mixed corp than it already is. If the goal is to discourage mixed corps it's one thing, but you reds just remember when you are in a tourney and want to run a team cashing script and you have no fed safe blue to furb for you. Hope you have your life insurance paid up in full refurbing yourselves. I realize that you Prom are a solo player, so that won't effect you much.

Let's do away with mixed corps then by making the penalty stiffer? Reds loose exp AND blues loose alignment.

why change the game that drastically? no need for all that. at the end we still want to be playing tradewars