If a newbie does not learn how to play the game by hand, how is he gonna learn to write a macro or script line of commands without knowing the keystrokes?

I can't say it enough - LEARN THE GAME VIA KEYSTROKES FIRST.

I think the whole point of this thread is this -

If a newbie does not learn how to play the game by hand, how is he gonna learn to write a macro or script line of commands without knowing the keystrokes?

Many times, I do a sequence of keystrokes without even looking at my monitor because I don't even have to wait for the next prompt.

I can't say it enough - LEARN THE GAME VIA KEYSTROKES FIRST.

Darn script kiddies.

Actually I believe the whole point of the thread was to be scripts vs macros. The thread was hijacked for the purpose of promoting personal agendas.

VOTE for PEDRO!

I think we need a definition of script kiddie here, because the majority of players in this forum your posting on write or attempt to write their own scripts to compete with. As to your question how do you get new players to stop relying totally on WORLD-SST and other automated scripts. Well I think thats pretty simple, force them as the teacher you state you are to play turn based bangs. It's pretty simple actually take away the reliance and their forced to learn OR as has been the case time and time again they go Afk forever and make the teacher do all the work in game via *Bot.

As someone who groups with allot of newer players ive heard the many excuses and have seen far fewer others go onto learn more about the game and hold there own. How many players know what a figdecay is? Truces and Building games cater to a slower crowd who uses these "unique" server settings to build and then at the end of truce those players disappear till the next truce game. Why? Well in my opinion they don't know how to move past building and into offense (and other end of game strats/game mechanics) which in turn leads someone to be overly defensive or worse quit.



Oh and I think a combo of scripts and macros is the best offense because while macros can be faster there is definitely a thought processing delay that well-written scripts can and do overcome.

He responded by blowing up a planet...

I just got off the phone with good friend and “Old School” player who’s adapted and uses Mombot now. I’m sorry, I just don’t ever see me using this. He explained how it’s used to “utilize” your teammates when they can’t be around to play, or you want to sleep in and not get up for extern in a highly competitive game. I’m sorry I’m calling it what it is, a dupe runner. I am very capable of competing against anything you’ve got going, I just want you at the keys.

I suggested that since “We” maybe not so excited about getting up at 3 am every night for a month or more straight, they let’s do the next best thing, set extern for 9-10pm EST!

As for the script kiddies, I refer to the ones who don’t know the game and just grab a script off Grimy and think they’re hot stuff. The last script kiddie I took in didn’t like that as a red I told him he was no longer allowed to hunt or grid, his only duty now was to turn a profit cashing. He responded by blowing up a planet, a loaded ISS and quitting the corp. I don’t have time for that nonsense! I will teach anyone who’s willing to listen and take direction. I’m NOT however going to use a Mombot to show them how it’s done. It’s the old give a man a fish or teach a man to fish philosophy of mine.

Funny how your bagging on "script kiddies" yet they don't post...

I think It's the more "Ignorance is Bliss" that would apply to you and your posts

Therein lies the issue, I think cruncher is under the assumption that these users who grab public grimy scripts visit this forum on the regular and that just is not true.

Cruncher, outside this post most posts in this forum debate/talk about current public scripts new and old and how to improve on them. Scripting in itself is more time consuming and entertaining for most of use that visit this part of the forum then the game itself. Speaking strictly for myself I know if I didn't/couldn't script I likely would not have a game server, play or still be a semi active and contributing member.

In all fairness he did pod two of the enemy when he did it.

I'm sorry, but upping a SBB port over production planets in preparation for buydown and mega rob. You haven't a clue. And thank you for letting everyone know you're my script kiddie. And that I"m not talking about the experienced players who do write the scritps.