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How many servers are interested this year??


That would depend on how much WORK gets put into it...As stated In one of RP's posts He doesn't have the time to solicite individual TWGS.....But even if he did have the time I could only imagine 3-5 teams appearing. If more work was put in maybe more but realisticly i can only imagine what i stated....


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Running a big tournament is a pain in the behind. There are always problems that crop up during the game if it's not well planned, and some will appear even if it is well planned. Defining rules clearly and not changing them after the game starts is a must. Announcing an end date, winning scenario, and circumstances for disqualification is also a must. Server issues sometimes can't be helped. This game has it's bugs and problems especially when it comes to node issues and data file corruption which can cause lag and often even crash the server. As far as RP using the name BOTE, I have no problem with that, however; I didn't start the original tournament and it's basic structure shouldn't be changed in my opinion. The tournament was always designed for individual servers to bring thier best players, and those players should be registered and corp name chosen before the game starts.
Now, this is just my opinion and it really doesn't mean much I didn't have any part in the original BOTE. If I remember right, the original tournament was introduced to TW and started by several people including, Eleq, Gypsy, SG, Stonewall, River Rat, Gaurdian, Fuseblown, Bad Girl, etc... As far as the 1st edit used, I don't know who made it or even what it was.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Cern, but I'm not interested in hosting any tournement, especially this one since it already has had problems in the past few years. I would consider op'ing the tournement, but definitely not in hosting it. One suggestion, since not many servers have a lot of players at this time, is to keep the corp size low or to combine servers to make one team. In any regards, good luck.


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Times honored perhaps, but guess what; this game has evolved from many other time honored traditions. There are those who will argue that scripts are an abomination to the game! As times change, traditions change. I’m not sure there are enough active sites right now to generate and take an interest in this game. Furthermore, the concept of this game, reguardless of tradition, is a “Battle of the Elite”. This games intention is to test the best of the best. I want ALL who want to compete to be able to join. I don’t have time to start to try signing up by site, and find I’ve only got 2 sites willing to send teams, and then figure out how to divide them into more teams.
What am I stealing.


I am going to do my best to try and make you see the Light..So to speak..Despite my personal Feelings toward you please RE READ the Very paragraph above which you wrote. I understand from reading above that you want a tournament that Tests ALL Traders not nessecarily JUST the "Elite" And i think thats AWSOME..BUT that is NOT B.O.T.E... Please Change the Name of your Tournament.


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sigh I hope this gets worked out.

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Anybody ever wonder what the interior and exterior paint job of SG’s house looks like? Maybe it is just me, perhaps?

<stalemate>...Now did I read that correctly? NO SCRIPTING ALLOWED (being that most scripts in use would cause CPU spikes)? ...AND A 20K Universe (on a timer)? Yea I see that happening… good luck with that let me know how that works out for you all. lol.</stalemate>

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You have got to be kidding???? What in this God's Green Earth you fell you have the Right to change a Time ohonored Game like the BOTE From a Server Represenative Game To a Draft style game ???? Regardless of Who Hosts B.O.T.E. It should stick to the principles of sending Servers to Represent them.....This isnt some Draft Game.....If you wwant to run a Draft Game then Do so But to take a Time Honored tradition of the Very First Tournament and Turn it into some Draft game Dishonors the Very Idea Behind the Battle Of The Elite. Besides all of the Above there is no way in this world YOU should be Hosting B.O.T.E In the past the Winners of the Bote were the Next Hosts Not Some Sysop Who Got caught Cheating From Last Years BOTE....Are You Serious???..I have to go to work now..When i return I will be posting The History of BOTE...Who started it and What it is meant for......

Dont Try Stealing the BOTE RP and Changing its format...It's Not Yours and it doesnt Belong To you.
I do not Claim owership of this Tournment BUT i have been involved With it since its Enception ,,Arranging the Hosts Doing the Promoting ,,,,By Trying to change the Bote to a draft format you are doing a Great injustice to the people Who have won it in the past.And to the People Who CREATED it..This is a Server Tournament And it Doesnt Belong to Runaway Proton or His server....If you want to start a Tournament thats Draft style then Name it something else and Do your best...But dont Trya nd Steal the B.O.T.E and all it stands for....You had your chance at BOTE you Cheated as a Sysop...Now go do your own tournament And let the BOTE try and recover itself.....

I will not fight with anyone about RP's intentions in the First BOTE,,.,I actually believe his Intentions were Good.......However the Road to Hell is Lined with them...He Broke the Rules as a SYSOP. End of Story....Any Questions about what he Believes were the "Rules" read my Signature....Thats a Quote from him.

Rename Your Tournament ......Stop trying to Steal and Change B.O.T.E .


Where should I start, and where should I end?
Times honored perhaps, but guess what; this game has evolved from many other time honored traditions. There are those who will argue that scripts are an abomination to the game! As times change, traditions change. I’m not sure there are enough active sites right now to generate and take an interest in this game. Furthermore, the concept of this game, reguardless of tradition, is a “Battle of the Elite”. This games intention is to test the best of the best. I want ALL who want to compete to be able to join. I don’t have time to start to try signing up by site, and find I’ve only got 2 sites willing to send teams, and then figure out how to divide them into more teams.
What am I stealing. Has anybody else stepped up to host a single Tournament game since 2007’s game? My interest in hosting BOTE 2008 is simply this. I want to redeem myself.
SG you yourself came to me about hosting BOTE 2007 and I agreed to do so. I’d had and maybe still have a relationship with you in this game. Truth of the matter is that YOU created the edit, did the advertising, and set up rules for the last game. After I agreed to your ideas you posted that I would host you stood on the sidelines because you wanted to play in that game and it would be a conflict for you to participate in an admin capacity. I respect that stand, but I really didn’t do much more in the last game than trigger it loose, and take the grief from the players, including you.
I’m going to exclude nobody from this game. However SG you yourself told me you wouldn’t be playing another BOTE game when we were planning the last game. I know you’re a man of your word, and wouldn’t want to tarnish your honest reputation. Please don’t plummet to my level and go back on your word.
BOTE is not mine; it’s not property of SG either. Nobody is stepping up to host any major games, I’m doing so now. I’m choosing BOTE as the name of my tournament because last years didn’t go so well, and I was the host. I’d like a chance to redeem myself in that game. This is my game from the beginning to the end. I’ve elisted help in the edits, but he’s working with MY ideas and expanding on them. My goal is a fun game, yet also a challenge for even the elite.
With those reasons stated, if anybody has any objections to this (other than SG as we’ve already noted his) then feel free to present them.
I’m letting it be known that I’m going to copy this post in its entirety to the other forum where I stated I’m going to monitor the thread. I will not be monitoring this site.I expected lots of smack as SG told me months ago he would fight me hosting this game. I’m moving forward anyway. It’s due to the expected grief from this site I named the other forum as my signup forum. Please visit the link above for further comments if you care for me to respond to them.



You are a thief.....You are stealing..Call your Tournament RP's redemption not The Battle of the Elite 2008.....CALLit the us open or the HHT or Big Game whatever...Steal something OTHER then BOTE.......

When i stated i wouldnt be playing in BOTE i told that to you in much haste...There is no law that a man who speaks out in anger will be held to something he said in anger....If i want to play Bote i will if i dont i wont..My only word to you is i will decide for myself in a calm and logical fashion,,,,,

Don't Steal the Name..Host your own Tournament!!! B.O.T.E was something you were ASKED TO HOST....NO one has asked you to do the same this year....


In the rules you posted no substitutions again this year (same as last year as per your statement in my signature) But yet Regardless of intentions you decided to break the Rules to favor a Server over other Servers who couldnt Have susbstitutions....When it was discovered that it was done "without" your knowledge you closed the game citing that as the reason(i can quote u if needed) THEN months AFTER the game has ended we find out YOU did it with out anyone elses's knowledge..By your words "to keep it under the radar" IF YOU believed the rule existed..(as u state below) AND YOU closed the game Because a Team broke that rule...WHY would anyone believe that you wouldnt do The Same Exact thing this year??? YOU did it for a team last year Believing what you was doing was wrong " Keeping it under the Radar" Why wouldnt you do it for another team THIS year " Keepin it Under the RADAR" What exactly would be the difference? Last year you get caught MONTHS AFTER the game is closed for the very Same thing??? The only difference this year is we now KNOW you WOULD "keep it under the Radar"......

Change the name of this Tourny to something that is YOURS.,,,,Don't Steal the one game that Started ALL other Tournaments JUST because you want to REDEEM yourself......B.O.T.E is a SERVER tournament NOT Runaway Protons Redemption Tourny......Wether its 3 servers or 30 servers...Go steal some other Tournament..Stop trying to Steal B.O.T.E..... You werent asked to host it (like you were asked last year) It's not yours Name it Something ELSE


During Bote all everyone said was RP is SG's Puppett.....Then we find out how you cheated Both me and Rev's team by "keeping it under the radar" allowing Vulcans Forge Countless Substitions Then Closing the Tournament when Someone finds out about one ...You stated at the end how you believed the winners of the BOTE would be percieved and you have preconcieved notions about "Turtling" and consertive building strategy.

As for any relationship/friendship we HAD it ended when I found out how you conducted yourself...You Cheated RP..And you knew you Cheated "keeping it under the radar" Regardless of your intentions You still Cheated. If your intentions were pure we wouldnt of found out about it MONTHS aftewards AND You wouldnt of "kept it under the Radar"

Im not Saying anything that YOU havent already Admitted....You admitted you knew there was a rule against it and you admited you broke that rule and tried to keep it under the radar....Not sure what else there is To say..

Rename your tournament ....You have No right to Change the Battle of the Elite

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Rofl, I think we should have a BOTB, battle of the bands. Make RP and SG play a kazoo until one of them falls over. We all declare that guy the winner of the argument and move on.

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:P Ok so this will probably never get worked out. Anyone up for hosting a tourny?

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Rofl, I think we should have a BOTB, battle of the bands. Make RP and SG play a kazoo until one of them falls over. We all declare that guy the winner of the argument and move on.


Guitar Hero - Aerosmith challenge would work....

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:P Ok so this will probably never get worked out. Anyone up for hosting a tourny?



hey just keep it original i'd play any edits that made sense....To me 5K turns isnt something i could play or make much sense

Now 2500 turns and less maybe but i prefer them LOWER....


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Rofl, I think we should have a BOTB, battle of the bands. Make RP and SG play a kazoo until one of them falls over. We all declare that guy the winner of the argument and move on.


Guitar Hero - Aerosmith challenge would work....


Hey I just got it for my B-day! along with the PS3 so all who challenge STFU. :twisted:

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:P Ok so this will probably never get worked out. Anyone up for hosting a tourny?



hey just keep it original i'd play any edits that made sense....To me 5K turns isnt something i could play or make much sense

Now 2500 turns and less maybe but i prefer them LOWER....


I think its been changed to 1k. So no excuses now. :P

Oh and Double post FTW!

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Sort of funny you said that SG because anything less than 2k turns without a time limit I won't play. In my opinion, anything less than 2k turns with no time limit is a turtle game. You run your turns then you sit with no turns the rest of the time watching your grid disappear until you have mobile planets then you sit running an adjacent pdrop or plock script. Not my idea of a fun game.


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Sort of funny you said that SG because anything less than 2k turns without a time limit I won't play. In my opinion, anything less than 2k turns with no time limit is a turtle game. You run your turns then you sit with no turns the rest of the time watching your grid disappear until you have mobile planets then you sit running an adjacent pdrop or plock script. Not my idea of a fun game.


each to thier own bro i think anything over 2k turns might as well be unlimited turns and then its just a matter of who has the most time at keys...To me there is such an abundance of turns there is no reason for strategy...stragey involving who does what with how many turns and when....i just dont want to spen all day at keys with an endless amount of turns. Also this idea that Turtling is a bad thing is mostly from you high turn unlimited guys Yo me is the wrong attitude..A stock game With Default planets and 1k turns takes at fairly long time to build level6 h class planets.,,,And to me..The game doesnt even get started till that happens..


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Hello Everybody,

This year is going by so quickly I can't believe it.


That's what getting old does to you.

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I've had it in my mind to host another BOTE game in August or September and figured I'd better start getting signups for it and see if there's any interest.

I've enlisted some help coming up with this years edit with Vader. I've hosted a few new games of his, and they seem to be popular so I asked him to help me with the edit. It's not finished, it's actually just started.

There will be a few rules this game. First and formost is there will be no scripts allowed like buyouts or any other scripts that peg my cpu when in use. Any node I find (and I can view by node) that is running way beyond normal use will be disconnected when I find it, and that user will be given 1 warning not to use it again. If it's in play by that player, or another member of that players team, then the player running it will be disqualified. FInd it in use again, and the team will be disqualified.


OK, so I program in a delay. No biggie.

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There will be no player subs once game starts, no exceptions unless the team captain of each team agrees. I will collect the IP of each player when we start. I will terminate any node I find with a different IP once game has started. I know some of you might have dynamic IP's and I can work that out with you.

The edit will be a time limited, 5k turn, 20k sector game. I'm hoping to get 3-5 teams of 4-5 players each.

If you're interested please sign up at http://twcentral.net/forum/forum_posts. ... PN=1&TPN=1

Looking for players and team captains both. If nobody signs up for captain, teams will be randomly assigned. If team captains sign up, I'll allow them to pick from the pool in a fair manor. I'm advertising on other boards to attract attention, but honestly don't troll the sites like I used to, so I might not see your signup if you signup elsewhere.


Did you get Zoobar and Maverick's permission to change BOTE?

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I have a dedicated server for the game, with a dedicated address. My bandwidth is not as good as I had last game, and there might be a few lag issues once in a while as I have one connection and do have to download large files time to time.

I'm hoping I've learned from my mistakes last game, and we can have a fun game this year. Lets get all players involved and prove Tradewars isn't a dead or dying game.

Edits; Changed link for signup, added this edit note to avoid conflict of editing post.


Bandwidth isn't that big a deal. TWGS does well on bandwidth that would strangle an HTTP server. Seriously though, if you are going to make changes you need to get Zoobar and Maverick's permission. I can talk to Zoobar if you like, saw him two weeks ago when I dropped his daughter off (for those who don't know, Zoobar and I married sisters, so we see each other fairly often).

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