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Should EIS Host An "Official" Server
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Yes. 69%  69%  [ 11 ]
Yes, but only a "Beta" test server. 25%  25%  [ 4 ]
No. 6%  6%  [ 1 ]
No opinion. 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Should EIS open an "Official" Server ??? 
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Actually I read through the entire thread before I posted the steps. I see several posts asking who would run it and no direct reply to the answer was given. I also see several posts asking and some with opinions on what type of server it would be, there was no definite answer to that either. I'm not trying to get on your case SG, what's in the past is in the past, but you did ask us and most people were pretty cool with their opinions. I sort of liked the idea of an EIS ran server for script and beta testing, but without more conclusive information, I just couldn't give you a definite answer.


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Well just to be clear JP is NOT intrested in running a TWGS Official or otherwise..BUT ..EIS is willing to put up a server...beta testing..or possible for gamming...(im not goona run it either) ..Also EleQ is the tech Admin here at TW Classic and did all the work of this forum.,..it's NOT hosted by EleQ. Jp pays for his own hosting


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ok well this would be a server that EIS owns (pays for) not an individual donating it or hosting.,..everything would be bought and paid for by EIS...

As for who would run it? well i think that is an Easier Question then should we have an official server.

I'm sure we could find someone to run it if in fact we put it up.


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well my thought process is to see if the public wants an "official" server then pending if people want that..There would have to be a search for the right Game op to run it. I would rather not do it (as i would like to play) as for who exactly is EIS EIS is JP but we are talking about him procuring a server and letting someone else run it..IF there is intrest...If there is no Intrest in an " Official " server no big deal we move on. As for Beta testing or Game play or Torunament play..I can see it doing all three at different times...For instance right now we are waiting on a beta that is probably 4-5 months away..so we could use it for regular game play OR tournament play. This is only an Idea and if people aren't in favor of it ..Well it probably won't happen unless there is great intrest


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If your mind is made up SG and you are just looking for official co-signers for this decision, then carry on.

On the other hand if you truly want to see if there is member interest in EIS hosting a server then put up a poll and wait 3 months or so to gather enough responses.


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I agree with Cerne. If EIS wants to know "should they" run an "official server", then they need to do two things. Either run it without asking us, or ask us and then decide based on ALL of the input gathered. Can't make a decision based on the local few that post their opinions. Put up a poll, wait as Cerne suggested. Maybe some new people here would like to have input.

I get that "dejavu" feeling again ...


I see what exactly what you mean Big D....Thanks!

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Yes, I read those posts. I understood that EIS would be paying for it and that EIS was JP. I also understood that it may be a test server, and it could be a public game server, or it could possibly be both. I also understood that someone would look for some ops to run it but it wouldn't be you.

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It must be a very boring weekend lol

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the whole eis server was a pipe dream. besides the fact who would run it any way?


A pipe dream the Man says...As if im incapable of following thru with it ? Truth be told it WASN'T a pipe dream. It was an actuality that was thwarted the same way everything else in TW is Thwarted Constant debate and complaining killed it....


Actually it was the lack of user interest that killed it. 3 months old and 16 votes... The user base as a whole is just not interested in the idea.

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For once we agree, lack of users and no clear path on what was to be done. So yes it was a pipe dream. Instead of commin to the the table with a statement like this; "I had this idea of opening an offical EIS server, JP has aproved it but isnt able to deal with the day to day operations of it, what is everyone thoughts and opions on it." Instead I belive it was more like "we are opening an offical server, we dont have anyone to run it, not sure what type of games we will be putting on it, but please vote on it any way, oh and dont express your opinion because it will not matter anyway.

In short SG do not get testy with me, ive never done anything to you except help with the whole EIS nonsense that happend awhile ago, I have no problem with you even though you do not keep your word, but that is either here nore there. Ive told you plenty of times i will help in anyway Im able to keep TW and EIS going. So for that your welcome.

I also this EIS should open a server, but everthing needs to be ironed out before hand, and the sysop should be very open minded and doesnt have an outstanding hate to some people, that will just make this far worse that what they are. I could think of a few names that fit the bill of good sysops and would be great for the job. but I think that there should maybe be more then one, have a group of them. Then again that could cause problems too.

Ok im finish, go ahead and pick it apart now, and make sure you poke fun of my spelling such. :P

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For once we agree, lack of users and no clear path on what was to be done. So yes it was a pipe dream. Instead of commin to the the table with a statement like this; "I had this idea of opening an offical EIS server, JP has aproved it but isnt able to deal with the day to day operations of it, what is everyone thoughts and opions on it." Instead I belive it was more like "we are opening an offical server, we dont have anyone to run it, not sure what type of games we will be putting on it, but please vote on it any way, oh and dont express your opinion because it will not matter anyway.

Is that what you believe Kane? Then maybe re read the thread from the start.Start with the Title of the Thread....There you will see it started without a poll posted asking for people comments on Wether or not EIS was going to put up a server Eleq put up a poll for me shortly after..Subsquent Posts outlined some details and left others for discussion..... I actually thought that this was how it was going to work....Questions... discuissions... opionons...But when i attempted to to move to the next step in the process of deciding who would "Sysop" the server.I had stated in my posts that it wouldnt be me.Many people in the community Mssged me and Said that It wasnt a True Representation of what people at EIS wanted.Other people felt that no matter how it was handled it would divide the community....



In short SG do not get testy with me, ive never done anything to you except help with the whole EIS nonsense that happend awhile ago, I have no problem with you even though you do not keep your word, but that is either here nore there. Ive told you plenty of times i will help in anyway Im able to keep TW and EIS going. So for that your welcome.

I wasn't Getting "testy" with you..If you believe i couldnt of made it happen then i feel the need to tell you I * could of * and was discouraged and now i have lost my desire to do so..This ofcourse doesnt stop any of you from Emailing JP and Setting this up ..I don't need to be involved in the process in any way shape form or fashion..As to your comments that I don't keep my word..Feel free to enlighten me and the general public..If my shortcomming is apparent and presented honestly i will admit it and try to rectify it i have no desire to hide or not be of service.

I also this EIS should open a server, but everthing needs to be ironed out before hand, and the sysop should be very open minded and doesnt have an outstanding hate to some people, that will just make this far worse that what they are. I could think of a few names that fit the bill of good sysops and would be great for the job. but I think that there should maybe be more then one, have a group of them. Then again that could cause problems too.

I dont believe EIS will ever have an official server...Upon further enilghtenment from the community it could only be a source of contention with either Players who feel shortchanged or Sysosps that feel the "official" server is taking all the clientel.,,,Imagine if it were actually popular? The contreversies and Negative Feedback...Even as a Test server there is no doubt to be issues....

Ok im finish, go ahead and pick it apart now, and make sure you poke fun of my spelling such. :P


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Here are a few ideas for an EIS server:

Create four permanent test games Test Game A, Test Game B, Test Game C, and Test Game D (for example), one game timed (24-hours or whatever the max time allowed per day is), one game unlimited, and two games on turns (max turns per day, and one game Gold with maxed out aliens and one game Classic with aliens). Allow public admin access to all using a name “TEST” and password “TEST” (for example).

These would be helpful for future buyers to check out the game behind the scenes, for forum questions being that it would be easy to check an admin setting for a server side related question, ect., scripters would have a place to test out scripts in specific types of game settings (times, unlimited, or turn based games) and would be able to alter the setting slightly to further test their scripts.

Host specific tournaments on the official server throughout the year (one every quarter) from now on and create a list of strict rules to be followed for tournament purposes. This will lessen the burden of private servers from having to arrange and host such tournaments annually. While, still enabling private servers to run their own tournaments. The tournament would just need to be evenly divided up among EIS and private servers and a much more effect system of advertising and preparing for tournaments would need to be devised, (perhaps a banner and announcement section added to the forums along with a dedicated tournament subform with voting enabled).

Create a monthly GameOp competition where new edits can be put on the block to be tried by all players and at the end of the month the edit can voted on by the players whom actually tried the game, this would need for example a subform with voting enabled as well. As well, this may require an agreement upon the part of EIS staffers to keep the edit file from public as the author of it may want to keep it unique to their own server. Perhaps hold an additional annual summery competition where the best new game edits from throughout year the gets voted on and the top three will be used in a future EIS tournament.

Of course the EIS server and internet connection would need to be top of the line in performance and speed. Test games should be rebanged either as required or once every 6-months, the system should be a dedicated server, possibly implementing the Bart-PE OS. Also have TWGS set on automation startup for warmboots (scheduled or not).

As far as manning it I think all EIS Admin staffers should have full access to it, just as they do the forums. I do not think separate persons should be asked specifically to keep it up and running, etc. Therefore, staffing for the EIS Forums would need to be slightly expanded upon, as from what I see at this time it is just 1/4 of person working it (referring to Space Ghost).

I see this as a opportunity to think outside the box and bring new ideas into the mix that will liven the community, it just has to be accomplished through an organized means, while maintaining accountability on all ends.

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RexxCrow wrote:
Here are a few ideas for an EIS server:

Create four permanent test games Test Game A, Test Game B, Test Game C, and Test Game D (for example), one game timed (24-hours or whatever the max time allowed per day is), one game unlimited, and two games on turns (max turns per day). Allow public admin access to all using a name “TEST” and password “TEST” (for example).

These would be helpful for future buyers to check out the game behind the scenes, for forum questions being that it would be easy to check an admin setting for a server side related question, ect., scripters would have a place to test out scripts in specific types of game settings (times, unlimited, or turn based games) and would be able to alter the setting slightly to further test their scripts.

Host specific tournaments on the official server throughout the year (one every quarter) from now on and create a list of strict rules to be followed for tournaments purposes. This will lessen the burden of private servers from having to arrange and host such tournaments annually. While, still enabling private servers to run their own tournaments. The tournament would just need to b evenly divided up among EIS and private servers and a much more effect system of advertising and preparing for tournaments would need to be devised, (perhaps a banner and announcement section added to the forums along with a dedicated tournament subform with voting enabled).

Create a monthly GameOp competition where new edits can be put on the block to be tried by all players and at the end of the month the edit can voted on by the players whom actually tried the game, this would need for example a subform with voting enabled as well. As well, this may require an agreement upon the part of EIS staffers to keep the edit file from public as the author of it may want to keep it unique to their own server. Perhaps hold an additional annual summery competition where the best new game edits from throughout the gets voted on and the top three will be used in a future EIS tournament.

Of course the EIS server and internet connection would need to be top of the line in performance and speed. Test games should be rebanged either as required or once every 6-months, the system should be a dedicated server, possibly implementing the Bart-PE OS.

As far as manning it I think all EIS Admin staffers should have full access to it, just as they do the forums. I do not think separate persons should be asked specifically to keep it up and running, etc. Therefore, staffing for the EIS Forums would need to be slightly expanded upon, as from what I see at this time it is just 1/4 of person working it (referring to Space Ghost).

I see this as a opportunity to think outside the box and bring new ideas into the mix that will liven the community, it just has to be accomplished through an organized means, while maintaining accountability on all ends.


Some great ideas rexx.....


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Space Ghost wrote:
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For once we agree, lack of users and no clear path on what was to be done. So yes it was a pipe dream. Instead of commin to the the table with a statement like this; "I had this idea of opening an offical EIS server, JP has aproved it but isnt able to deal with the day to day operations of it, what is everyone thoughts and opions on it." Instead I belive it was more like "we are opening an offical server, we dont have anyone to run it, not sure what type of games we will be putting on it, but please vote on it any way, oh and dont express your opinion because it will not matter anyway.

Is that what you believe Kane? Then maybe re read the thread from the start.Start with the Title of the Thread....There you will see it started without a poll posted asking for people comments on Wether or not EIS was going to put up a server Eleq put up a poll for me shortly after..Subsquent Posts outlined some details and left others for discussion..... I actually thought that this was how it was going to work....Questions... discuissions... opionons...But when i attempted to to move to the next step in the process of deciding who would "Sysop" the server.I had stated in my posts that it wouldnt be me.Many people in the community Mssged me and Said that It wasnt a True Representation of what people at EIS wanted.Other people felt that no matter how it was handled it would divide the community....

So your saying that the votes that were cast were not actually what people wanted?


In short SG do not get testy with me, ive never done anything to you except help with the whole EIS nonsense that happend awhile ago, I have no problem with you even though you do not keep your word, but that is either here nore there. Ive told you plenty of times i will help in anyway Im able to keep TW and EIS going. So for that your welcome.

I wasn't Getting "testy" with you..If you believe i couldnt of made it happen then i feel the need to tell you I * could of * and was discouraged and now i have lost my desire to do so..This ofcourse doesnt stop any of you from Emailing JP and Setting this up ..I don't need to be involved in the process in any way shape form or fashion..As to your comments that I don't keep my word..Feel free to enlighten me and the general public..If my shortcomming is apparent and presented honestly i will admit it and try to rectify it i have no desire to hide or not be of service.

You were getting testy, I dont belive I ever said you couldnt make it happen. What would mailing JP do? Alot of the time he has trouble getting people the product they pay for. No one is telling you not to get involed, I do think its a good idea. No matter how good of an idea it may be I dont think it will ever come to happen. As for you keeping your word, it seems I cant find the ICQ history so I dont have prof, nore does it really matter. It was never about you hiding or being of service.

I also this EIS should open a server, but everthing needs to be ironed out before hand, and the sysop should be very open minded and doesnt have an outstanding hate to some people, that will just make this far worse that what they are. I could think of a few names that fit the bill of good sysops and would be great for the job. but I think that there should maybe be more then one, have a group of them. Then again that could cause problems too.

I dont believe EIS will ever have an official server...Upon further enilghtenment from the community it could only be a source of contention with either Players who feel shortchanged or Sysosps that feel the "official" server is taking all the clientel.,,,Imagine if it were actually popular? The contreversies and Negative Feedback...Even as a Test server there is no doubt to be issues....

If you dont belive it will happen then why are we talking about it? Granted someone wont like it, that happens with everything in life. I belive it would be a good thing but some details would need to be ironed out.

Ok im finish, go ahead and pick it apart now, and make sure you poke fun of my spelling such. :P

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RexxCrow wrote:
Here are a few ideas for an EIS server:

Create four permanent test games Test Game A, Test Game B, Test Game C, and Test Game D (for example), one game timed (24-hours or whatever the max time allowed per day is), one game unlimited, and two games on turns (max turns per day, and one game Gold with maxed out aliens and one game Classic with aliens). Allow public admin access to all using a name “TEST” and password “TEST” (for example).

These would be helpful for future buyers to check out the game behind the scenes, for forum questions being that it would be easy to check an admin setting for a server side related question, ect., scripters would have a place to test out scripts in specific types of game settings (times, unlimited, or turn based games) and would be able to alter the setting slightly to further test their scripts.

Host specific tournaments on the official server throughout the year (one every quarter) from now on and create a list of strict rules to be followed for tournament purposes. This will lessen the burden of private servers from having to arrange and host such tournaments annually. While, still enabling private servers to run their own tournaments. The tournament would just need to be evenly divided up among EIS and private servers and a much more effect system of advertising and preparing for tournaments would need to be devised, (perhaps a banner and announcement section added to the forums along with a dedicated tournament subform with voting enabled).

Create a monthly GameOp competition where new edits can be put on the block to be tried by all players and at the end of the month the edit can voted on by the players whom actually tried the game, this would need for example a subform with voting enabled as well. As well, this may require an agreement upon the part of EIS staffers to keep the edit file from public as the author of it may want to keep it unique to their own server. Perhaps hold an additional annual summery competition where the best new game edits from throughout year the gets voted on and the top three will be used in a future EIS tournament.

Of course the EIS server and internet connection would need to be top of the line in performance and speed. Test games should be rebanged either as required or once every 6-months, the system should be a dedicated server, possibly implementing the Bart-PE OS. Also have TWGS set on automation startup for warmboots (scheduled or not).

As far as manning it I think all EIS Admin staffers should have full access to it, just as they do the forums. I do not think separate persons should be asked specifically to keep it up and running, etc. Therefore, staffing for the EIS Forums would need to be slightly expanded upon, as from what I see at this time it is just 1/4 of person working it (referring to Space Ghost).

I see this as a opportunity to think outside the box and bring new ideas into the mix that will liven the community, it just has to be accomplished through an organized means, while maintaining accountability on all ends.


Sorry that I have been away for so long but R/L issues came first, and had to deal with them.

I can't beleive this, but I entirely agree with Rexx on this issue on things on the "Official Server". But with this one exception, on the server to be open to the public to log in and be able to look and test and offer comments, I think that would be great, but only do that for an X amount of time before closing it off for the official tournaments, that way no one can mess with the tournament and someone be blamed for cheating, then when the tournament is done, then re-open the twgs back up for all to look at the inner workings again and if new things come avalaible, they can view that as well.

I know some people out there may not like me from the past events, and some still do, but I have made my decisions in life and stand by them. Just as I stand by this decision for EIS to have an official twgs server, I think it is a great idea, and once all the issues and bugs are worked out, I am sure it will work well. We really need the community to come together as one, not just for any one site out there, but as a community as a whole, yes we all have multiple communities out there, but really if you think of it, they are all sub communities of this one, official, community. And I honestly think if EIS can pull this off, we may finally have a unified community again. We really need to stop all the bickering of whose is the right community and whose is not. Really we are all equal sub communities of this one Official one.

Even though we have had our differences in the past, I still support this community, despite what others may think of me, I still support the work in this community, and hopefully JP will have a new version out soon, then maybe we all can see how it will work.

Thanks Eleq and SG for admining this site now, and running things now, welcome to my heaches, J/K. As for my vote, when I am done posting this, I vote we have an official server, as per the suggestions of all that think the same as Rexx and others as to it being a test server as well for the new functions of the twgs and for game tests and other things of that nature, and for official tournaments of EIS. As for just another server to host games, no.

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