Well, we are talking apples and oranges here. Your are talking unlimited and I'm not. Play all the unlimited games you want and you won't have to worry about me trying to get in on day 1 or day 20 for that matter. Unlimited turns suck. At least in a 64k turn game I can torp you and take away your turns for a short while. I prefer 2k to 20k turns and that's usually the only games I play. As far as sysop charity, I said nothing of the sort. I said that the edit needs to be made to where it works. 0 figs on a ship doesn't work, simple as that. I managed to get to the dock all these games because I don't play edits where ships don't hold figs. I'll try any edit once to see if it works, but once I find out it doesn't, no need to try that edit again.

1. RR's truce game was for an unlim, as are most truce games.
2. You've designed unlim edits, so... uhm...
3. Turn games are even worse because you've got a turn deficit to overcome, can't sneak in while ppl sleep.
4. You're more likely to get torped from a shielded planet than you are to torp someone else.
5. Giving figless ships figs is sysop charity, ppl should get in when the window is open, not pester developed corps.
6. The 0 fig starter is prolly done for exactly that reason, I'm sure RR knew what he was doing.

Like I said. You are wrong. I do it all the time and in most cases I do it well. You can keep posting all you want to, but you're not going to convince me that you don't really know half what you try to make people think you do. It seems to me that you think it can't be done because YOU can't do it. Turn games are easy to overcome a moderate late start. Not hard at all if there's not an established corp in the game like Parrothead's corp. I can tell you right now that you couldn't put a corp together that would even come close to matching those guys in 3k to 5k turn game with half decent edits.

To prove that I can start late in a game and do well? Sort of hard to do if 1 person is targeting you that has a 2 day head start. That's why I usually use an alias until I get a foothold so they don't target me so hard. You know as well as I, an unknown or noob has a much better chance of being ignored than a veteran player especially if you are selective about what figs you take out at 1st. Judging by how touchy Sing is on this subject, at one time I must have come from behind and whooped him.
Now, to prove PH's corp is better than any corp Sing could put together? That is easy to prove. That thought is pretty much mute since most of the time Sing elects not to play and probably wouldn't accept a challenge anyway.

So basically you rely on your opponents cutting you some slack.

No, I rely on the the veteran players in the game focusing on existing corps instead of targeting me. Quite a difference. That's the problem with players today, they don't know how to use diplomacy. They come into the game, start up a cash script and wonder why they die so soon. What you do is cash in unfigged sectors, which there will be some if there are more than 1 corp that are established. You cash enough to get into a good ship and since I play mostly blue, I shoot for a commish also. Hide in a 2 or 3 deep dead end until the planets advance then after all that, you can get aggressive and allow others to know exactly who you are. This isn't a hard thing to learn, it's just time consuming and somewhat boring at 1st. Maybe that's the problem with players today, lack of patience.

i don't know what the big argument is.....i sneak in games all the time...its fun....

If an established corp is in game and running scripts....well i don't last long but otherwise


Tearing up a 100 day old game somewhere is fun.

Tell you what, you think you can get into an unlim that's a few days old and properly defended? I'm sure I can find a game where I'm at and you can try. I'll bet $100 (real money) you can't get thru to build a mobile base and become competition. Up for it?

LOL @ phead's corp. Play has decayed so far even basic strategy is considered advanced. Oh, and I don't play on UTW, so don't waste my time. I don't play on servers where the sysop tedits, even to enforce "rules."



That's exactly what it is. If they're lazy, sure you can get in. It bugs me because there are hundreds of players that use this exact excuse to whine about scripted play. "The game's only a week old, what do you mean I can't get in? You're cheating!" ... The starter was prolly kept figless to avoid this nonsense. If the other team is lazy enough to let you in, then you shouldn't have any problem getting to dock to begin with. 1 fig or 50k, matters sum zero in the end. Stop whining about the dang edits.

Sing. You seemed to have missed the point. Let me spell it out again. Yes, an unlimited that is defended right and where 1 player or 1 corp is definitely in charge, it is nearly impossible to get started in late. That's the exact reason I don't play unlimited turn games much. HOWEVER!!! Most turn games are very easy to get started in late, and some unlimiteds can be also IF that corp or person is afk a lot. NOW!!! You say UTW tedits? Sounds to me like you have tried to play one too many truce games there and have broken the rules. I don't do unlimited turn truce games PERIOD... Truce games are for noobs and players that get a kick out of killing noobs. If you are one of those type players, that explains a lot. I don't rely on a sysop help for anything, but I DO know an edit that doesn't work when I see it. Sure RR's edit may be fine in an unlimited turn, truce game, but then again, I wouldn't be playing it because that type game is for noobs and bullies only. Kill all the noobs in those type games you want to, and maybe you'll be a decent killer one of these days.

ROFL. How many times have you changed your story now? I don't play at UTW, not because of truces, but because of tedit. Won't do it, too much controversy. Been there, done that, got the not-so-fun tshirt.

And ya know what, in a turns game it doesn't matter either. A guy drops a few figs around dock and runs a ptorper, new players aren't getting in. You brought up 3k to 5k turn games... LOL. You know as well as I do how easy it is to teamSDT there and probe that universe. Exactly where are you going hide against a cim hunter, again?



You including yourself in that list? You've lost every matchup against me, turns or truce. I guess that means you aren't accepting my bet. Too bad.

You don't listen very well do you? I never, ever said I didn't play at UTW because of tedit. The only reason I never t played at UTW was because all his games used to be truce games. I do play there now because he's offereing much better games now.

Dude! You've never beaten me that I know of. If you did, it was in a game where I didn't know you, but I doubt it since you seldom play.

No I won't accept a challenge where, I give you a head start, you know that I'm coming in, and I try to get into a game where you have established assets for the following reason. That takes the biggest factor in TW "eliment of surprise" out of the game. Although, you might be able to beat me in a game where you have a 2 day head start. lol

What you can do is accept PH's offer to a Pirate edit game and I'll play on PH's corp. That would give you the oportunity to prove to me you are more than a mediocre player. Oh that's right, you don't play...

Sing as you apropriately pointed out to me in another thread, this is not a smack talk thread although maybe it should be moved there. You are the one that started it in that direction. Maybe you should start a new thread if you want to continue this.

Cut back on the weed, dude. It's just not healthy in such quantities.



So you admit you can't always break into a game late. See how easy that was? It only took a dozen very circular posts.



If history is any indicator by the time you manage to get in it'll be long over. Oh wait, that won't matter, you'll still be able to break in! ROTFLOL.

Sing, you seem to have a quality of trying to twist words and change the story around to benefit your side. You'd make a good politiian. Hence the following:

1) I never said I can ALWAYS get into a game late. I said it's EASY to get into a game late in MOST cases. I do it all the time. DID YOU READ IT THAT TIME? DO YOU COMPREHEND IT NOW?
2) I missed ONE (1) tournament where I was CEO because of personal life issues. I was in the f 'ing hospital with a brain tumor you dork. Yet you seem to keep bringing that up. Get a life.
3) You say you don't have to prove yourself to me. YOU DON"T. I know you are all talk and no go otherwise you'd play.
4) You've beaten me in a game? Time? Place? Game? What alias were you using, because it sure wasn't Singularity.