Uhm... "Asteroid FTW" isn't an edit. FTW = For the win. Asteroid is a planet in the Killer Instinct edit, I was voting for that. KI has good cit times, slightly slower mobiles, has a good red battleship (the edit isn't really red/blue oriented like a stock edit is) so it meets most of those. Moo is good too, but it would require some changes since cits go mobile very fast and fig production is insanely high for a turny-ish game. Pirates is the same way, really. Plus the big gbonus ship makes it way too easy to turtle.

This is also where I wanna lobby for the no death limit and the no turn bank.

A death limit means you can't do heavy mothing or invading, so if you don't win in the first week you're probably not going to win unless the other corps just give up. Stalemates suck, they ruin the game and drive people away, causing general burnout-ness. Without a death lim there's no excuse, you've always got 2 pods to moth.

Turn bank... if a person can't be futzed to play their turns atleast once a day, do you really want them on your team?

And the corp thing... we don't know the size of corps yet, so giving you a "hey, this is our corp" is kindof pointless. Choose a corp size and it'll a lot easier to match people up.

If you're a corp, you have at least 3 people and oyu can name whether or not your corp is going to be represented, be it a smaller team than usual or not. I don't see what the big deal is unless you're gonna flip-flop and say you're playing solo if the corp size doesn't end up being big enough for you. At the very least there will be three of you. If your corp ends up being bigger than the corp size we vote on and everyone still wants to play, you're adult enough to come to an agreement about who will play and who will end up being a solo assigned to a new corp for this game. If the corp number ends up being higher than the number of members in your corp, there are a few options to persue, including recruiting solo players who have voted and begging players you know or respect to join your corp for this game and cast their ballot.

This process is not just for voting on game settings, its for determining how many solo players there are going to be because people wanted to BYOC for this game, even though there is a high number of people who don't have a permanant corp. Its also to get an idea of who is on what teams so that when it comes to actually putting the next thread together where everyone will confirm, we're not starting completely from scratch.

This game is going to take more preparation than the last one because of the BYOC and solo player mix. On the one hand, people want to bring their whole corp, but they vary in size. On the other hand, there are solo players without corps who will form teams, and maybe in some cases be assigned to a corp that is maybe a member short. This game is going to be interesting all around.

Please just answer the question of your corp affiliation. You're either Solo or you will be in a corp by the name of ____ regardless of the number of members. I want to not only be seeing the shape of the game settings during this process, I want to be seeing the shape of the teams as well, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.

Yea, our corp will be here. But uhm, it's 4 or perhaps 5 people. Most of whom are already registered, so... but whether or not our corp will appear next to their name depends on how many people per corp.

We can't squeeze in everyone. Decide the corp size and we can tell you exactly who'll be on our corp and who won't be. I'm not going to say "Oh sure, the following people will be on our corp" and then have to turn back around and go "sorry, dude, you're out." That's just not the way I roll...

So just make life easier and decide (going to have to start doing that soon anyway)... votes are leaning towards 4 or 5. I think 5 is too many as it radically unbalances the play against the solo corps while at the same time reducing the competition. 4 sounds about right, IMO, and I think those that voted for both 3 and 5 can live with it as a happy medium.

I totally agree. The "need to know" the corp size is very important and not that hard to decide.

Make that decision now at least so people can move on and build their corps from that information. This way it also enables them to decide the roles for each of their corp members.

I agree with Sing. 4 is a good size as it enables there to be more corps/competition in the game.

corp size 5 please

I'm not deciding anything, the voting is. Last game, I didn't decide anything, just tallied the votes, and got all sorts of *****ing aimed at me. I can't imagine what sort of crap I would recieve for saying "Okay, this is how big the corp size is going to be." Then what is to stop anyone from saying "Screw the voting, you should change this to this." This set of games does not work that way, it is ALL user generated, I am simply the one who has been nominated to organize it since the last one went pretty well.

No one has convinced me that its that there is any problem with posting your corp affiliation. You guys are making SUCH a big deal out of this little thing as if it is the end of the world to say "The corp I am affiliated with is ______." Really, its not as big of a deal as you guys are making it and this is information that I NEED TO KNOW in order to figure out how many people are SOLO players and who need to be assigned a corp AS WELL as determining who on a corp is an extra player and also needs to be assigned as if they were a solo. And if this will confuse YOU, thats okay, because its not going to confuse ME as I'm the one organizing this crap and this is information that *I* need to know when posting results.

"Oh wah, I don't know the corp size so I don't wanna get anyone's hopes up." Its really not that hard to GUESTIMATE. Its PROBABLY going to be 4 or 5 because those have the most votes. Like I said before: You're adults who can figure out amongst your team-members which player will have to play solo if it comes to that.

ALSO, the actual numbers of people in the corp? *gasp* YEAH, it can CHANGE at random. Here is how:

What if 15 people sign up and the corps are voted at 4 players? Or what if 16 people sign up and the corps are voted to 5? No matter what, corp size will not be set in stone until everyone is signed up. Some corps might need to be broken up. Of ALL the settings, Corp Size is going to see the must chances of changing so there is NO WAY to just set the size at this juncture.

That is the PROBLEM with having a BYOC on a USER GENERATED game but it doesn't change the fact that I still need to know if you need to be set on the list of solo players or corped players. If we were ALL signing up as solos, we wouldn't have to mess with it but people wanted a BYOC despite the fact that there are lots of people without permanant corps.

ITS A GAME. If people on your corp are gonna throw a hissy fit because the corp size is smaller than you want and they have to play with someone, then maybe you shouldn't corp with them.

I think i feel your pain bro..
my 2 cents...let the voting get done then ask for team lists..and stipulate they have to be users who Voted.
when should voting be cut off?

What about in the event of a tie? Because uhm... Either way, how long for the voting to continue? This is obviously not purely "user generated game" since someone has to count the votes and set the vote deadline.

On the corp side of things, this is a BYOC... or if that's not been decided yet, looks like that should be first. If it is, we bring our own corp, for better or worse.

As for not understanding, it's really just easier if you take a step back and assume I understand everything... a long time before you even said anything. Then ask yourself "why is he disagreeing with me?" Then ask yourself "What is he hoping to gain from disagreeing with me?" and finally "Who else is agreeing with him?" Forum chess... laff.

Anyway, for corpies... I'll compromise a little, but put one caveat. I've been planning to play with Misb, Fork and Slim (provided they're all around when time comes). If it expands to 5 I'd ask Rev before I asked anyone else. One of the reasons why I corp w/ the people I do is because there's a good team dynamic, and I know under most circumstances they're capable of beating any other team in existance today. That's not meant as smack, it's simply saying that we've never lost a game where we were corped together. The whole reason I want to play this game is to test our group against the current list of turny players, if I start cutting people... I lose the whole motivation for the game. Hence why I'm big on the BYOC. Understand? Or need I add an air of condescencion to my post to get it done?

If 16 people play and the corp size is 5, that's 3 corps of 5 and an alternate... prolly on a solos matched corp. If corp size is 4 and 21 people show up are you going to cut the corp size down to 3 despite the votes? The logic in that is absurd, now isn't it?

Anyway, I don't sympathize with the solos at all, frankly. They've all been playing for months (atleast), and been in previous turnies. They've had ample time to find corpies if they want, and I suspect most would be happy to if asked.

ok i realize this horse is being beaten - perhaps to death - but since i'm one of the people that wants BYOC, let me join the discussion:

1. i want to be on a corp of my choosing, or at least someone's choosing who i agree with, not a random seed. the reason is simple. random seeds don't pick corps with the proper makeup.

2. i don't have a corp. i assume that once a corp size is chosen, i can go icq people and build a team and bring them. which leads to:

3. why is it necessary for those players (whoever they are or will be) to vote? if non-voting players play, whats the problem? in fact, this is a benefit because guess what - the game attracts MORE players.

4. hell, some of the people on my corp might be from the group of unaffiliated players. in light of that, it makes no sense to make a corp out of unaffiliated players.

my suggestion:

if the votes say BYOC, then just let it be BYOC and start another thread that names the edits and settings and people can announce their corps or start working on figuring out who they want on their corp.

the key is here:



nobody is asking you to make lists other than tally the votes. just let it happen. if its BYOC then its BYOC and let the players figure out how to group up.

Ya know rev, just when I thought I was evil... you come along and set the bar just so much higher. Kudos! =)

seems over complicated.....
corp 1 =5 member....corp 2 = 4 members corp 3 = 3 members.......even teams out via solo player.
Play game.
so pick a corp size so we can either post a full corp list or soliciate fill in's etc. In the event of several solo's then make a mix and match corp. I believe Jester did well with the Matchup corp in uso so that shouldnt be an issue.

Killian you really need to chill out and just list a corp numer.. 4 there it is.

4 is the corp number.. see that was easy.

Now if there is another stupid time limit i think the corp number should be like 10 so we can actually play as a corp some of the time and not be chopped up into solo grid defense rotations.   

One last thing.. although I understand Sing's want to dominate yet another game.. i thought the random corp generator was cool and matched up new people and made for a more interesting game.

Alas i am not playing so i will stop here and congratulate sing and company on the win already.

I will be bringing a corp or be part of one, don't know whos ceoing yet or whos exactly playing, I would like to be able to bring who ever I want regadless of whos voting, But I do Suggest that after voting stops people have 4 days to stated what corp they on and whos on it, then after that we can take the remainders in the pool and do a random, just a thought. Thxs.

Brings up another good point, you have alot of people against the time limit, and if some how it get set to time limit im sure alot of people will drop because of that. Me included. So i guess with that being siad the last game was T/L i belive this game shouldnt be.

Oh and if i put my self down for BYOC and it doesnt come together can i change it to solo player?

These are Random Bits of Information To Answer Random Questions or Statements Posted Here:

The Whole Point of the Corporation Affiliation “Question” was to find out if people are SOLO or CORPED. This is not a voting matter You’re either you’re solo, or you’re bringing a Corp. Just Answer “I Am A Solo” or “I Am Corped.” Not “I vote for ___.”

Yes, bring people who aren’t from EIS. It’ll be awesome. Just let us know that they’re coming so we have an idea of how many people will be playing. Right now, 14 doesn’t seem to be the actual number of people we will be having, but it would be nice to at least be able to estimate.

If a random Corp Number is picked, I don’t want any griping or asking why or complaining to me. And once it IS picked, it is set.

If you say you’re corped and it doesn’t work out by the time we start setting up teams, yes you can change to being solo. No one would ever stop you.

Time limit: Wasn’t actually being voted on in this game but random suggestions asked that we not have one, even though I’m pretty sure we already decided against a time limit this game. So… There is no time limit. Don’t worry your pretty little heads.

And yes, people are making this whole corp/solo thing too complicated. Parrothead’s suggestion was EXACTLY what I was trying to have happen (where if the corp signs up and its too small, adding a solo player to even it out, or if it shows up and its too big, placing a corpie on a different corp IN THE SAME GAME). Will someone explain to me why this is a point of contention?

I also agree with Stockton: Randomly generated corps was WAY fun and WAY less complicated. If we’re doing this circuit, I think it should be every other game: Random generation, BYOC, Random generation, BYOC. It shakes things up, gives people the chance to work with others, and gives less experienced players the chance to learn.