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Steel Magnolia
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Joined: Wed May 02, 2001 2:00 am Posts: 256 Location: USA
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Promethius wrote: Space Ghost wrote: *******Remember no flames************** As Far as i know and as far as I am concerned EIS will hold the awards for as long as it cares to...What right does it have? EIS owns / sells TWGS software. But whats to stop slim from having his own awards??? EleQ did it..... Mana gave out awards too..... EIS ...The Offical Distributer of TWGS can hold thier OWN Awards if they Choose to. No one can stop Slim..and No one can stop EIS . Ain't America Great? It really doesn't matter who hosts the awards. The legitimacy <sp>, if we can call it that, is bestowed by the users. It doesn't matter if it is EIS and is "official" or if it is by a player that wants to hold an awards vote. The "10th Annual" as I have said before implies continuity and there is none - either by category or by host. These awards should be: "The 1st Annual ClassicTW.com TradeWars Awards". No history, no baggage.
Maybe a new beginning is what is needed. After all, things have changed since the inception of the awards.
When the big tourneys brought more players and the league was active, people were exposed to more players and thus voted with more knowledge. Often there were block voters, voting by server or perma, and depending on the total number of votes, it either affected the outcome or it wasn't enough to matter. People vote what they know and if they've played on only one server with a single group of people, that is what they know.
I think that there is more continuity, however, than you realize. For example, prior to this year there was only one Hall of Fame member elected. I do not remember how it was that Hekate and Fuseblown ran the "annual" awards or Kemper3 and Cherokee, but I can say that they felt very much like the same "annual" awards. As for categories changing, they have to change somewhat with the times. Recognizing scripts and scripters is one example.
I wasn't around when the "annual" awards were started but with other things it has been common for the originator or the creator to give the rights to someone. When Bad Girl left Trade Wars, she gave the USO to Silver Dragon. He then passed it on. The same is true for Jackal's Lethal Lottery. Jackal passed it to River Rat and River Rat has chosen not to have another Lethal Lottery so far. Maybe that is how the "annual" awards moved until last year when ender 'took' them because nobody else was doing it. EDITED here because I don't want to imply that ender did anything wrong. Maybe 'acquired' would be better.
I still think there needs to be consistency. I think they need to be visible year round and promoted year round in order to get more voters. After all, anyone who wins an election with a total of 10 votes, should not feel much of a boost in their ego. lol That's true no matter how many votes are cast, but a larger participation does place more legitimacy on the awards.
I've often thought that a MVP from the big games (in terms of many players from different servers) would be the best way to recognize players for their current skills. Of course, that leaves out things like web sites and servers and sysops. Speed Demon is the only MVP from a game that I am aware of.
Enough already.
maggie
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Slim Shady
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Joined: Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:00 am Posts: 2371 Location: USA
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Space Ghost wrote: Slim Shady wrote: Space Ghost wrote: Slim Shady wrote: Parrot, JP is getting paid. And prom is 100% correct, Quote: It really doesn't matter who hosts the awards. The legitimacy <sp>, if we can call it that, is bestowed by the users. It doesn't matter if it is EIS and is "official" or if it is by a player that wants to hold an awards vote. The "10th Annual" as I have said before implies continuity and there is none - either by category or by host. These awards should be: "The 1st Annual ClassicTW.com TradeWars Awards". No history, no baggage. I'm going to bring the legitimacy back to the awards, I'm going to bring back the continuity, and I'm bringing sexy back. Good luck with your awards....Eis will continue with its awards and u guys can just fight over the name heh.... So now all of the sudden you speak for EIS? Oh ...i'm sorry...would you like to hear the same comment from soneone one else?? Would that make my statement more valid for you?? Pick who you want from the EIS team and I'll do my utmost best to see that they confirm what i just stated just for YOU Slim!
I'd say yes, but that would imply that I haven't already done so myself
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Oso
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Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:00 am Posts: 1324 Location: USA
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That's an intriguing thought Maggie.
If this new series of games, like the one being hosted by Trader Vic works out, we could have an MVP vote for each one.
SG, have you thought about having the participants of the Big Game vote on an MVP?
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Stockton
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Joined: Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:00 am Posts: 589 Location: USA
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HEHE ok my quick take.
The awards this year are terrible.. All of the Hall of Fame categories are rediculous, they left out best teacher, etc, etc,...
Now that being said.. GUYS we are talking about a TEXT GAME FROM THE 80's, there are about 40 of us nerds left in the world that play and we decide to have some fun and vote on some good ole tw awards. How anyone can have drama with this is amazing to me... stupid or not im still gonna vote in every one of Zen's dumb categories and have fun. Lighten up..
Maggie for Hall of fame Trader
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Kavanagh
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Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2001 3:00 am Posts: 1410 Location: Boo! inc. Ireland
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There are almost 4k registered users here alone. Granted not all still active, but I'd guess more than 1% of them are, so that would make for more than 40 of us left. Add in those who never heard of this forum, or never bothered registering.
I know more than 40 active players and I dont play on many servers.
It's like talk radio - less than 1/2% of listeners ever call in (which is why the radio host doesnt lose audience if the caller gets ridiculed). Very few players post here or in any forum.
Stockton wrote: HEHE ok my quick take.
The awards this year are terrible.. All of the Hall of Fame categories are rediculous, they left out best teacher, etc, etc,...
Now that being said.. GUYS we are talking about a TEXT GAME FROM THE 80's, there are about 40 of us nerds left in the world that play and we decide to have some fun and vote on some good ole tw awards. How anyone can have drama with this is amazing to me... stupid or not im still gonna vote in every one of Zen's dumb categories and have fun. Lighten up..
Maggie for Hall of fame Trader
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Slim Shady
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Joined: Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:00 am Posts: 2371 Location: USA
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Stockton wrote: HEHE ok my quick take.
The awards this year are terrible.. All of the Hall of Fame categories are rediculous, they left out best teacher, etc, etc,...
Now that being said.. GUYS we are talking about a TEXT GAME FROM THE 80's, there are about 40 of us nerds left in the world that play and we decide to have some fun and vote on some good ole tw awards. How anyone can have drama with this is amazing to me... stupid or not im still gonna vote in every one of Zen's dumb categories and have fun. Lighten up..
Maggie for Hall of fame Trader
would you vote for mark maguire for hall of fame?
who cares right? but when you mess with someone's hall of fame, drama ensues.
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Baited
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Joined: Sun Nov 07, 2004 3:00 am Posts: 588 Location: USA
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I do like Oso's idea if this turn seiries ketchs on it would be nice to have an mvp for the game, would be nice
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Big D
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Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:04 pm Posts: 5025
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Kavanagh wrote: There are almost 4k registered users here alone. Granted not all still active, but I'd guess more than 1% of them are, so that would make for more than 40 of us left. Add in those who never heard of this forum, or never bothered registering. I know more than 40 active players and I dont play on many servers. It's like talk radio - less than 1/2% of listeners ever call in (which is why the radio host doesnt lose audience if the caller gets ridiculed). Very few players post here or in any forum. Stockton wrote: HEHE ok my quick take.
The awards this year are terrible.. All of the Hall of Fame categories are rediculous, they left out best teacher, etc, etc,...
Now that being said.. GUYS we are talking about a TEXT GAME FROM THE 80's, there are about 40 of us nerds left in the world that play and we decide to have some fun and vote on some good ole tw awards. How anyone can have drama with this is amazing to me... stupid or not im still gonna vote in every one of Zen's dumb categories and have fun. Lighten up..
Maggie for Hall of fame Trader
You know Kav, you just proved the point I've been trying to make all along about the tw awards. If only 1% of the players read this, then the awards would be based on 1% of the popular vote. lol
It would be like if I ran for president of the US and the election was held at my house. Not sure what we can really do about it, but just an observation.
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MisBehavin
Lieutenant J.G.
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:00 am Posts: 474 Location: USA
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Space Ghost wrote: Slim Shady wrote: Parrot, JP is getting paid. And prom is 100% correct, Quote: It really doesn't matter who hosts the awards. The legitimacy <sp>, if we can call it that, is bestowed by the users. It doesn't matter if it is EIS and is "official" or if it is by a player that wants to hold an awards vote. The "10th Annual" as I have said before implies continuity and there is none - either by category or by host. These awards should be: "The 1st Annual ClassicTW.com TradeWars Awards". No history, no baggage. I'm going to bring the legitimacy back to the awards, I'm going to bring back the continuity, and I'm bringing sexy back. Good luck with your awards....Eis will continue with its awards and u guys can just fight over the name heh....
SG, you make it sound like there is no compromising on the subject and that EIS should and will run them no matter what the rest of the community wants.
That perhaps no one else is qualified or aloud to run them other than EIS. That is just wrong.
Just because EIS sells TWGS software doesn't entitle them to be the only ones able to run the awards. EIS doesn't own the TW Awards to my knowledge.
JMHO, not that it seems to matter.
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Big D
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Joined: Tue Nov 28, 2006 4:04 pm Posts: 5025
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MisBehavin wrote: Space Ghost wrote: Slim Shady wrote: Parrot, JP is getting paid. And prom is 100% correct, Quote: It really doesn't matter who hosts the awards. The legitimacy <sp>, if we can call it that, is bestowed by the users. It doesn't matter if it is EIS and is "official" or if it is by a player that wants to hold an awards vote. The "10th Annual" as I have said before implies continuity and there is none - either by category or by host. These awards should be: "The 1st Annual ClassicTW.com TradeWars Awards". No history, no baggage. I'm going to bring the legitimacy back to the awards, I'm going to bring back the continuity, and I'm bringing sexy back. Good luck with your awards....Eis will continue with its awards and u guys can just fight over the name heh.... SG, you make it sound like there is no compromising on the subject and that EIS should and will run them no matter what the rest of the community wants. That perhaps no one else is qualified or aloud to run them other than EIS. That is just wrong. Just because EIS sells TWGS software doesn't entitle them to be the only ones able to run the awards. EIS doesn't own the TW Awards to my knowledge. JMHO, not that it seems to matter.
You all seem to be considering that this forum is EIS. This forum is nothing more than an endorsement by JP as the Official EIS forum. The mods nor the admin are EIS. They aren't part of EIS anymore then the owners of TWGS codes are. As far as the tw awards, you are right MB. EIS has no claim on the tw awards anymore than the admin or the mods in this forum do. TWGS owners do not own the tw awards either. The players own the tw awards and what needs to be done is, the PLAYERS need to elect or choose a group that can handle the awards on a regular basis.
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Slim Shady
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Joined: Thu Jun 06, 2002 2:00 am Posts: 2371 Location: USA
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MisBehavin wrote: Space Ghost wrote: Slim Shady wrote: Parrot, JP is getting paid. And prom is 100% correct, Quote: It really doesn't matter who hosts the awards. The legitimacy <sp>, if we can call it that, is bestowed by the users. It doesn't matter if it is EIS and is "official" or if it is by a player that wants to hold an awards vote. The "10th Annual" as I have said before implies continuity and there is none - either by category or by host. These awards should be: "The 1st Annual ClassicTW.com TradeWars Awards". No history, no baggage. I'm going to bring the legitimacy back to the awards, I'm going to bring back the continuity, and I'm bringing sexy back. Good luck with your awards....Eis will continue with its awards and u guys can just fight over the name heh.... SG, you make it sound like there is no compromising on the subject and that EIS should and will run them no matter what the rest of the community wants. That perhaps no one else is qualified or aloud to run them other than EIS. That is just wrong. Just because EIS sells TWGS software doesn't entitle them to be the only ones able to run the awards. EIS doesn't own the TW Awards to my knowledge. JMHO, not that it seems to matter.
It's ok, let him cry, what he says has no bearing on what "EIS" wants or does. All he is, is an upstart moderator who thinks he's far above his station
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