That is one event i dont think will happen.
Remember any copyright or intelectuall property recognizition, is only a factor in the public realm.
Theres no way to prevent someone from burning copies of the site to a cd, in fact to multiple cds and passing them out for free. When, if that happens Tratior has lost all control of it.
And its not to unlikely of a possiblity, say i make 5 copies send them to 5 users, they each make 5 copies and send it to 5 users, ect ect.... that would accomplish 3 things, mass dispersal of the data, and 2 no one person sholders the total cost. And 3 no way to contain the data again.
So the best way to keep control of the site is to allow it to be mirriored.
As i am sure theres already enough copies of the site in existance even closeing the site now wont stop the site from living on.
Tratior just has to live with the fact that his site and his work, in fact he himself are now a permanant part of tradewars and theres not a thing he can do to change that.

Welcome to immortality Tratior.

I understand what people are saying about keeping TW-Cabal alive because of its importance to the community, however if Traitor wants his creation to die or survive, I feel it is up to him.

A couple of years ago, maybe longer, Traitor was going to take his site down. I believe it might have been Kemper3 that was given the site to manage at that time. Traitor knows the importance of his work to new, and not so new players, and hopefully he will provide an "official" approval of someone continuing with what he has done.

Traitor, if you are reading this... I just want to say thank you for the effort, but I would like to be able to send you away in a shiny new pod.

Take care and roll with the punches that life gives out.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Well, while people can copy stuff personally... it would screw w/ new users that don't have access to that network. There's already such a divide between the new players and the experienced ones.

Still, all of that's disrespectful of the time and effort that has been put into the research on his site. I am a bit saddened by such things. This sense that somehow it's ok to trample on people's work.

One thing is clear... Traitor will be missed. W/ so many people gone now... what's left of this game.

I agree that a lot have left the game and more are bound to do so in the future. I have seen some new players coming in to the games that seem to want to learn and seem to be doing just that. The ones I help, and I am not an expert by any means, are the ones that don't whine and complain when they get hit. I am glad to see a few of those around also.

The names we used to worry about when we saw them log into the same games we were in are getting fewer all the time. A new group will hopefully come along to take their place, and the cycle will repeat.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

Well I had to dig in my archives, but I found it. An e-mail between Traitor and I regarding adding the content to the TradeWars Academy. I have permission, providing reference to the Author is made. So I will begin placing that content online. This way the Academy will always be a backup source of information to new players.

As far as the divide between new players and experienced, it was our hope and still is our hope the TWA OCS will bridge that gap.

It is always nice to tell a new player that there is a place they can go to read up on the game and to see examples of how to play. I used to give out cabal's address, now I give out thrawn's.

It would be discourteous and disrespectful, to put it mildly, were anyone to mirror Traitor's site without his permission.

It is also wholly unnecessary . All of the content is ALREADY permanently archived by The Wayback Machine (they will remove any archived material at the Author's request) at:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://tw-cabal.com/

I posted this earlier in the thread.


As a matter of trivial information, they now have 85 billion pages in the archive, going back to 1996, when their spider started crawling the web.

If you ever get a "error 401 : page not found" while surfing, go to:

http://www.archive.org/web/web.php

-and re enter the URL there.

Sigh. Very well. I had hoped to add it to the Academy, but I will just drop this idea. I did talk with Traitor and was told is was ok, as long as reference to author is made. But if there are already 85 billion pages, then no point in waisting my time or resources.

Thanks for clarifying the information. You've helped to free up valuable time in adding the next phase to the Academy site. Perhaps I could just post a link for those wanting to read up on the guides produced over the years instead.

I think Kav was referring to my post, Thrawn, not your intentions.

His words to me when I contacted him about placing the content on TradeWars Academy were:

"You can link to anything on my site. Anything you pull from my site needs to be attributed to the original author, whoever that is."

So my idea was to take the guides and place in the section on the Academy site. When the player goes to view it, the Author is on the top of the page, and is also added to the Credits page. No content is modified (well except the color of course lol).

I have no issue making reference and crediting the author that spent time putting this info together. I just felt this content fits in with the intent of our site. I know there are many guides written. I've never met many of the authors, but the info is valuable to new players to learn from, and the author gets added to the Credits page, along with those already there. The Academy is a project I am building, with the hopes of bridging the gap between experienced players and new players. This project in turn will hopefully help to generate a new player base, or exist for those wanting to refer to somewhere for information.

So I will continue with the original plan, follow Traitor's permission, and post the guides. If there are more to be added, I'd be happy to add them and the author to the Credits page. This is a TW Community, and this project was our contribution back to say thanks to so many for all their ideas, suggestions, etc.

Yea, the WayBack website is not really practical for general
use purposes, for myself I would not want to run there every single time I
needed something. Traitor’s site is for the most part a compilation of works
from many prominent players, similar to The Stardock Library section.
Personally, I feel that so
long as long as the author is mentioned and the content of the material is left
unchanged (and if applicable include a link back to the original site), there
should be no issues whatsoever with posting an article or reference type
material on anybodies website. The purpose of writing them was to help people
that are interested in reading it, so thus by displaying it on two, three, or
four different web-sites rather then only one the chances of that material
being read and appreciated increases by that number of times, approximately. After-all, that is what is so great our little community here, it is a sharing type of benefactor.

BTW,
don’t forget about the Document Stinger project I have been working on, I had
put it on the backburner to work on other things that came up (mainly HHT, POAN, computer issues, RL stuff, etc., etc.), I got to get
back on that beastly monster though.

The Master of TradeWars has made an ex Cathedra Statement. Let ye all hold yer whist or be damned fer Eternity:

I updated my main page in response to this thread.

Traitor, I would like to say thank you for your time and efforts. I appreciated your response months back about adding the content to the Academy site. I took your advice and suggestions, and have posted some of the guides in the Academy with reference to the author per your request.

Wherever the content moves to, I will be sure to place that info or link in the Academy so others can learn and benefit from it as I and others have. Best of luck in your future endeavors.

Nice, rep, Kav, I love that! Oh and exactly cheesehead, exactly.