quote:Originally posted by Promethius
Kinda like smoking only a lot more benign.


ROFL.. Benign my butt, my heart damaging stress levels go way up some games! [:D]

Creative duping?
Would that be like making dupes for opposing corps?

YAWN. hasnt this topic been beaten to death about 100 times already?

promethius, make some friends who can play TW and stop crying about losing to afk people.

Hmmm...touchy subject indeed...hard to tell if anyone is at keys except the one controlling bots who might be using macros to create lots of chat on Fed to cover up they might be only one 'live'! There are times when one of my regular corpies tells me to use bot to do mundane tasks such as buying down or selling things and same in reverse when real life issues such as 'dinner', 'company', 'important phone call', 'etc' happen to interfere with the game. IMHO that is a bit different than making dupe corpies from either same IP or another IP and then running a maxed out solo corp! Again it seems to boil down to an issue called 'ethics'...and the dupers quite often get caught in similar ways that those who run 24/7 afk scripts do....

It seems to me that few people playing TW anymore want to even care about ethics, it gets in their way. I still like the old school people who give you their word and play a fair game. I know I'm in a minority, but it's a lot more fun to play a game without having to worry about if someone is cheating against ya. I think bots are a very (dark) grey issue, and have to be used with caution in a game. If they are set up when a player is always afk, I think that's cheating, duping, unethical, you name it. If a player plays a game, but has to be afk for a day and set's up a bot for his corpies, that I'd have to swallow. I think that in it's self is a grey area also, but I'd have to accept it I think.

And for those of you that think I'm complaining about getting beat by those cheating,... it doesn't matter, I get beat either way

quote:Originally posted by Hiro

YAWN. hasnt this topic been beaten to death about 100 times already?

promethius, make some friends who can play TW and stop crying about losing to afk people.


LMAO - I posted simply to make people aware of a thread on Vulcan's site, but then the discussion took off.

As for losing to AFK people, I don't think so - simply making a point. My example of creating 3 dupes to match another corps turns was an example only. I usually don't bother with turns games because I prefer the speed of unlims - get in and kill everyone and go on the the next game. RL dictates my games, not the other way around.

Oh, and when I do look for people to corp with who have the skills to play the game, I know of one alias that is for target practice and not for corping with.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

yawn.

quote:Originally posted by Hiro

yawn.


The intelligence shown in your post simply overwhelms me. I must concede that BOTs are great and duping no longer carries the stigma of being slightly above T-Editing sysOps on the slime scale.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

quote:Originally posted by Promethius

quote:Originally posted by Hiro

yawn.


The intelligence shown in your post simply overwhelms me. I must concede that BOTs are great and duping no longer carries the stigma of being slightly above T-Editing sysOps on the slime scale.



Ahh.. my morning amusements have arrived..

I wanna hear so more about how RunAway will swallow:

quote:I'd have to swallow.

I thought all scripts were/are written to improve efficiency and enhance gameplay.
Like typing cros qss to show a corpie how I'm doing.
There are a lot of advantages to being online 24/7, at the minimum; following conversations in Fed and SS and perhaps running a 2_Sentinel.ts type script. Having a bot running is really just an extreme example of a useful Away-From-Keys script.

I'm guilty of bein' an AFK bot corpie... Called in to man a 'SaveMe' script. Really, it takes nothing to log in and fire up a bot and provide online backup. I actually learned quite a bit, though we lost handily... In the end one good player and a bot couldn't compete w/ a determined corp of players, as Singularity said above.
Yet in some game situations, having a corpie online, bot or live, is the difference between an active vs. passive style of play.

I have a game on my home server with an 'Alpha Corp' of a Blue and a Red Vs an 'Omega Corp' of a Blue and two Reds. I've been using this to test gridding, photon scripts etc. Now THAT is a duping setup, being able to toggle between game screens/databases. You really can't compare the two, especially if you've worked w/ bots enough to have one hang at an awkward moment...

In an ideal situation, wouldn't the ultimate corp be several players who would be online/available 24/7. The next best thing would be a team who could field the game 24/7 and stagger At Key coverage to provide less AFK time Corp-wise.

Eh, lets just keep all that on the DL.

quote:Originally posted by Promethius

Seems like there was a proxy that was being designed that would basically allow the same thing only giving more control to the corpie that was "botting" the other player. I don't remember the name of it or who was writing it.



It was DRoP.
Diddy, Rev, CK and Tweety I believe were the main people working on it though it's been a while.
It was controvercial in it's day but man it was sexy!

quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady
It was DRoP.
Diddy, Rev, CK and Tweety I believe were the main people working on it though it's been a while.
It was controvercial in it's day but man it was sexy!


i still have the source code...

quote:Originally posted by Promethius

[quote]Originally posted by Kavanagh

[quote]Originally posted by Promethius

An interesting topic and a poll on Vulcan's site:

http://vulcansforge-online.net:99/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4497#4497

That link will hopefully get you in the general area. Read the discussion and enter your thoughts in the online poll.




Well Prom seeing as how you don't usually play with others, If you created all three players and botted them then yes that is duping but if they are REAL players that are botted by the corp cause they aren't at keys at time of need then why is that duping? As long as they are real and actually do come to keys, Personally I hate being botted cause I play my turns and there isn't a need to bot me for anything major but maybe to tax me or something little as that. But I see no duping involved with REAL players using bots..

quote:Originally posted by Promethius

quote:Originally posted by Hiro

YAWN. hasnt this topic been beaten to death about 100 times already?

promethius, make some friends who can play TW and stop crying about losing to afk people.


LMAO - I posted simply to make people aware of a thread on Vulcan's site, but then the discussion took off.

As for losing to AFK people, I don't think so - simply making a point. My example of creating 3 dupes to match another corps turns was an example only. I usually don't bother with turns games because I prefer the speed of unlims - get in and kill everyone and go on the the next game. RL dictates my games, not the other way around.

Oh, and when I do look for people to corp with who have the skills to play the game, I know of one alias that is for target practice and not for corping with.





Hmm never asked you this prom and you can be honest my feelings might be alittle hurt and I might even shed a tear or two (heh) Am I skilled enough for you to corp with?