The main issue I had with them was that Nightmare whether right or wrong within his/her own actions was not treated as fairly as the other person that started that Fed Comm rapping session was, regardless if they purposefully misspelled that racist word or not, Sage even stated in his badgering email that misspelling those types of words is not an excuse, although Sage claimed to have no evidence of it, even though it was contained within the original conversation; now however that works, I have no clue, though it sounds like straight crap to me.

If you ban one player for the allegation you need to ban the other(s) as well, that is cut and dry method of due process, it is a substantiated clause of absolute justification and vindication for all involved. Now within this specific incident the admin Sage even started belittling the banned player calling Nightmare a “redneck” now in actuality is that any different than calling so and so another racist word such as the one that was used in within the originally alleged incident; redneck is a racist word in itself, it in itself refers to a certain type of backwoods inbred below intelligent Caucasian person, granted redneck does not carry the implications of the word that was originally used, that is not the point and is certainly lends to no exception in my book, (i.e. a black person calls another black person this racist word it is acceptable, a white person calls a black person this racist word it is offensive; a white person calls another white person redneck it acceptable, a black person calls a white person a redneck it is not acceptable; a skinny person calls a fat person lard Butt it is not acceptable, a fat person calls another fat person a lard Butt it is acceptable; a handicap person calls another handicap person a deedeedee it is acceptable, a non-handicap person calls a handicap person a deedeedee it becomes offensive.) Additionally, the context in which it was described to be used within lends to the exception of its use, at any rate and thus assists in with the conclusion that the use of this word in this instance was not used in a truly offensive manner and was not actually meant to be taken as such.

This issues with Butcher’s conversation combined with his belittlement of handicapped persons, I thought to be highly offensive and was of a great deal more concern to me then the supposed mock-rap session were the repeated use of both a misspelled and correctly spelled racial slur took place. That all being said it is not the players themselves I am in contention with, I don’t know any of them or how truthful they are being within their statements, though most seem to have at least a moderate concern that warrants a legitimate grievance. It is the consistent lack of resolve and absence of positive consideration to certain of those not so popular players by both Owen and Sage that I dislike. It is Owen and Sage’s deceitfulness and lack of respect for others within this community that I type this with graving despite!

quote:Originally posted by Steel Magnolia

rexx

Like Nightmare you assume that people who post in support of a position are 'yes' men. Nightmare accuses sage and owen of playing favoritism and the really laughable thing about that is that the game I was playing with Lord Talon and SW at UTW was the first one I ever played there.

You can't believe everything someone writes. Everytime I say that slim is my son, I get a least one icq asking me if he is

laff

maggie




Although, you have yet to receive a message from me asking you of such, have you? I myself don’t often buy into the “yes men” motive, until that has in-fact become blatantly obvious to actually be the case.

Its kinda messed up imo. I've played about 10 games at Ultimate, and I've had 0 problems. The only complaint i MIGHT have is the fact that the server goes down every day for a game rebang, and sometimes the server goes down without warning.

Rexx i'm really tired of your posts. You never play anywhere.. at least not under yer own name but you spew information about servers like you know who's right and wrong.

Nightmare was banned for multiple occurances. He had been killed a few times and everytime a fed convo would start the boy would cuss everyone on fed constantly. The N word was just hte last straw and several people asked for him to be banned.

The N word was not the only incident it was just the last straw...

I for one see no problem with UTW except perhaps not enuff good players , probably due to these ridiculous threads about utw constnatly being rehashed...

BLAH
-LT

First of all Nightmare is a piece of sh** lier !!! Second i have a brother with severley disabled so that was the lastthing i was making fun of!!! nightmare was pissed cause i #SD# his butt the day before and tryed to say i did it cause he was handicap !!! Rexx ian not sure if u haven't noticed your thoughts and word means nothing around here. sorry the truth hurts:]

This is exactly why we lose players, or they quit, and servers die off slowly. Too bad. Such a waste.

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

quote:Originally posted by Steel Magnolia

rexx

Like Nightmare you assume that people who post in support of a position are 'yes' men. Nightmare accuses sage and owen of playing favoritism and the really laughable thing about that is that the game I was playing with Lord Talon and SW at UTW was the first one I ever played there.

You can't believe everything someone writes. Everytime I say that slim is my son, I get a least one icq asking me if he is

laff

maggie




Although, you have yet to receive a message from me asking you of such, have you? I myself don’t often buy into the “yes men” motive, until that has in-fact become blatantly obvious to actually be the case.


hahaha I don't expect to receive any such messages from you because you are not on my icq list.

The point I was making is that one cannot believe everything that they read. How can it be blatantly obvious to you that Nightmare was in the right until you hear all sides of the situation? Especially since you were not there.

More than likely Nightmare's version is the truth in his own mind but in his mind it was also ok to call me a smelly c*** because he thought I was a dupe and because LT killed him. That sort of terminology seems to be quite acceptable to most of this community but it was not acceptable to me. Quite frankly I was happy that he was banned because he was a negative, bitter person from the start of the game. He chose to take that out on me. I thanked sage for banning him.

On the other hand, I was not happy that it took the n word to get it done after the language he had used with me. I have as much reason to cry foul as Nightmare does. My approach is different. I remove myself from the situation as best I can. I am quite sure that there are readers here who can tell you that in Teamspeak I've simply said, 'I'll leave you guys to your boy talk. See you later.'

Here are a couple of points that we might agree on. 1) What butch said to Nightmare was disgusting. 2) Sage's replies reflect an attitude that will eventually be the downfall of his server.

As to the n word, dingo simply posted the words to a song. It appeared to be a paste and I've seen him paste songs on fed before. I'm sure some of you probably know it. Had to do with a motorcycle....I didn't get the feeling that the n word was used in a negative way in that song. Nightmare did use it in a negative way.

Maybe your babbling on and on about UTW will keep someone from playing there. In my case, as in the case of many here, your words mean nothing. I form my own opinions and I hear what sensible people say. I chose not to play at UTW all that time for a reason and it had much more to do with people I respect than anything you could ever say.

Go play some Trade Wars. Get around on different servers and then maybe, just maybe, someone might listen to you. Gonna take a helluva lot, but give it a shot.

maggie

I know I haven't been posting very much and I'm relatively new, as a player who has returned after several years, but this thread has taken on a life of its own.

This whole thing started with a returning player trying to find some good servers to play on. And the first 6 posts were relevant. The next 15 or so, was a bicker-fest about who got banned from what server and why. And the person you guys are bickering about hasn't even posted on this site even once as far as I can tell and is not only in no position to defend themselves, but as far as the question that started this thread is concerned, is completely irrelevent.

I respect you guys as players, even though I haven't played with most of you yet I hope to some day have the chance. But you guys have made your point that you either like UTW or don't, there is NO POINT in trying to change someone's opinion.

I agree with Thrawn. As someone from the outside, re-entering the game, this type of behaviour cannot be good for Trade Wars. A newbie came in asking for help about servers, and it was just a hate-fest about one board NOT to play on. Where-as, the same newbie started the same thread at a different forum, and not only did he receive a positive answer, as in "These places are good to play" but he also received a "Welcome back!" minus all of this bickering.

If you were just starting out, which place would you rather post to?

I agree with you to a point killian.

The thread was about something altogether different. The poster did get his answers before the conversation changed. As a matter of fact, the original poster is the one who brought up past postings about Ultimate as a reason not to play there.

It was only after rexx used Nightmare's postings that people who were actually involved in that game chose to reply. Apparently rexx has nothing better to do that troll UTW's forums in search of something to support his personal battle against UTW. You cannot expect someone who was actually there and directly involved in the game to be silent when they know that the information contains half-truths and is taken out of context.
maggie

Me, I just answered SW original question as to why I would never play on that slosh bucket of a server. Of course those involved are going to give their input to some extent, and of course they are going to uphold their innocence and shift the blame to the originating poster, why else would they not?

SM quite here “As to the n word, dingo simply posted the words to a song. It appeared to be a paste and I've seen him paste songs on fed before. I'm sure some of you probably know it. Had to do with a motorcycle....I didn't get the feeling that the n word was used in a negative way in that song. Nightmare did use it in a negative way.” Sums up her denial in the true matter here nicely, The way that nightmare described using it was no less and no more offensive then the way that the originator used it. Of course any use of a racial slur is offensive and not acceptable by any means, and certainly posting the lyrics to a song, lends no exception to the poster of those lyrics as they had an intent and motive involved in posting those lyrics to begin with. But if that is your stance on the matter, really not point in debating the issue with you beyond this as your point of view is blurred by your relationship with the person(s) involved, as is Sages.

As for the popularity of UTW, most of all of those players are complete dupes, read through the CLV’s on their, is fill with BS names, hundreds of SD’ed players, there is 100+ players in several of their games and several are topped out at near 200 players, what a complete crock! If you believe anything else, get real and order yourself a clue! I hear ebay sells them at a fairly cheap price.


SM, regarding each of your personal criticisms of me, I have come to except nothing less then cheap shots from you and thus lend you great exception in those regards.

And as for TheButher or was it smokey? Well whichever it is, I can’t keep track anymore, thank you kindly and whatnot… and just remember this one thing if you are capable of doing so at this juncture… this is my United States of Whatever! ….How is that for posting the lyrics to a song for ya!

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

Me, I just answered SW original question as to why I would never play on that slosh bucket of a server. Of course those involved are going to give their input to some extent, and of course they are going to uphold their innocence and shift the blame to the originating poster, why else would they not?

SM quite here “As to the n word, dingo simply posted the words to a song. It appeared to be a paste and I've seen him paste songs on fed before. I'm sure some of you probably know it. Had to do with a motorcycle....I didn't get the feeling that the n word was used in a negative way in that song. Nightmare did use it in a negative way.” Sums up her denial in the true matter here nicely, The way that nightmare described using it was no less and no more offensive then the way that the originator used it. Of course any use of a racial slur is offensive and not acceptable by any means, and certainly posting the lyrics to a song, lends no exception to the poster of those lyrics as they had an intent and motive involved in posting those lyrics to begin with. But if that is your stance on the matter, really not point in debating the issue with you beyond this as your point of view is blurred by your relationship with the person(s) involved, as is Sages.

As for the popularity of UTW, most of all of those players are complete dupes, read through the CLV’s on their, is fill with BS names, hundreds of SD’ed players, there is 100+ players in several of their games and several are topped out at near 200 players, what a complete crock! If you believe anything else, get real and order yourself a clue! I hear ebay sells them at a fairly cheap price.


SM, regarding each of your personal criticisms of me, I have come to except nothing less then cheap shots from you and thus lend you great exception in those regards.

And as for TheButher or was it smokey? Well whichever it is, I can’t keep track anymore, thank you kindly and whatnot… and just remember this one thing if you are capable of doing so at this juncture… this is my United States of Whatever! ….How is that for posting the lyrics to a song for ya!



Rexxcrow or akor? who ever you are ! do you have anything better to do then troll forums in a game you dont play? What i said was directed at nightmare as fedcomm smack which everyone that plays the game does!! Nothing i said was meant to belittle any type of person!! Did you hear me whine about how nightmare was talking **** about our military like he was? Well if he can TRY and dish out the smack talk he can take the heat back !! if not he needs to getthe fu** out of the kitchen[^]


Quote from rexxcrow

As for the popularity of UTW, most of all of those players are complete dupes, read through the CLV’s on their, is fill with BS names, hundreds of SD’ed players, there is 100+ players in several of their games and several are topped out at near 200 players, what a complete crock! If you believe anything else, get real and order yourself a clue! I hear ebay sells them at a fairly cheap price


Dude dont talk **** about something you have no clue about!!!Most of the people that play there are people that say they dont just use different names!!DO YOU HAVE PROOF THEY ARE DUPES? Then shut the FU*& up

I would have LOTS of people listed if I had my server set to delete people after 255 days <look for yourself> the * key tells you LOTS. Most of us have it set for 30 or sometimes 60. If I ran a game for a year, didnt rebang it and didnt clear account names...I would have 200 players in it too.

Well in Rexxs eyes, Darkstar you have dupes on your server:] which i know better then that:]

Oh of course so Akor now is it? Well then good job, smokey! WTFever w/ you dink! Really, now proof, come on all of that is common sense. If you need proof still, then you need to gather up some common sense and display it, and that be on the real!


“Well in Rexxs eyes, Darkstar you have dupes on your server:] which i know better then that:]”


...Now that is just plain conniving, though it about at your level... although are you absolutely sure that you know better then that? Really are you sure?



IF SGO>RexxCrow
IF RexxCrow>=(Sage/Owen)-Akor
IF (Sage/Owen)-Akor>TheButcher
IF Thorne in thine side>TheButcher
echo "Smokey is just a HYPE, permanently assigned to mess-crank duty and has since began enjoying the smell of rotting green beans!"
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Smokey is just a HYPE, permanently assigned to mess-crank duty and has since began enjoying the smell of rotting green beans!


Oh yea, and your stank self can SNAP all upon that you spiteful lil' smoker you!

WOW dont hurt my feelings lol retard! only floaters have crankmess duty!!! Rexx your not one of those floaters that hotracked with another guy and got boot out of the navy did ya? cause you sure are acting gay!


A picture of Rexx
Well this explains it all ! keeping the navy memory alive i see Rexx? just in a wierd way dont you think:]
http://www.foleyphotostudio.com/martigr ... e1643e.JPG

So like are you saying that those with shore duty do not eat? Also WTF are floaters? Those sound like something that you seem to enjoy leaving inside of your toilet only to login to EIS just to complain to us all about, by remarking just how badly your shanty now smells.