To honor the upcoming five years and passing date: 9/11/2006 in-which the ever tragic event that actually occurred on: 9/11/2001, I was thinking it would be good for anybody interested to post their thoughts and feelings about how things have transpired and/or evolved in their own Counties, States/Providences, Cities/Counties since this horrific incident took place. With this in-mind I was considering this to be a topic mainly for persons wishing to post their concerns and issues without fear of reprisal or personal attack (i.e. smack-talking the original posters statements.) Though viewers could of course freely raise a new thread in Smack Talk, while quoting the post(s) they with to engage the original poster on. Although the original poster has no obligation to respond to either, nor explain themselves any further if they so wish not to do so. That is not to say that comments may not be made about a post, within this topic, just that not to the level of being considered negative to the original poster, i.e. a post of general inquiries and further explanation would not be considered as being negative. I am merely posing an outline of guidance, as I am sure some will disagree with my idea, but somebody has to say something, right.

To start this off I wrote some of my own major burners as an example:

I hate it when people refer to Nine-Eleven as 9-1-1. 9-1-1 is a number you dial to report emergencies that are either life threatening or to report crimes in-progress it is not to be used as a spinning catch phase to discuss the date that something tragic occurred!

I hate it when the media refers to an upcoming Nine-Eleven as being an “anniversary”, nine-eleven is not and will not ever be something worthy of a celebration, it should be considered an event worthy of remembrance nothing more and nothing less.

I can’t stand how the little person since this even occurred has so very easily become taken advantage of by conglomerate corporations that offer such necessities such as filtered water, petrol fuels, electricity, natural gas, cable, internet, phone services, etc.

I dislike how the FAA pretends to have everything under control with their airports, when in actuality, more of the airports have changed very little, flight tower staffing has been reduced, and the airport inspectors make slightly over minimum wage, are overworked, and poorly trained, how guards trance around strapping fully automatic machine guns like they are in the “danger zone” of battle, as if a terrorist is going to walking into a terminal and blow everything up to all hell! How, the airport industry keeps getting massive payouts from the government only to turn around "fix" their maintenance logs, lay off workers, and cut pay to their remaining non-managment employees.

Slightly off topic, though is still somewhat related: I absolutely despised how the hurricane victims from New Orleans were referred to so frequently by the media as “refugees” rather then appropriately as “evacuees”!

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Additionally, I thought it appropriate to post a poem I have been working on during this last year, (this s still a work in progress.)




~ Ashes Over York ~


Quietness unto
The clandestinus havoc
Approaching without kindness nor cause
Visions within, seizing and stilled
Moments throughout turn upon
This myriad of many
Responders serve timely and just
Their tact turned heroically fable
With lives lorn and lost, beneath imploring ash
Pith be forces; newly banded, now entrenched
Tasking singly endured, for if a gloam more
Hopefulness sieges- revealing true prey
Remnants sited, a pointlessly lost perdition
Lingering truth in knowledge unannounced
Thoughts perceived by that unspoken word
Perspectives unfamiliar, forevermore
Witnesses searched, while martyring
Seceders run freely as black sheep
Vengeance ensues, as lonesome lines forthcome
Wrath be to credence, never to be lost nor had
Threat to a privation with conspiracies undercover
Responsibilities misguided, apologies’ unclaimed
The barren tracks are lain- a haven insincerely beset
Depictions singe unto reflections of despite
Gall, those responsible, becoming, advantageous
Sinew in fettle, veining; within their heedless self-creation
As the ashes over York respite

Actually Rexx, I look at the anniversary of 9/11 as I do the 12/7. A tragedy that opened our eyes to the reality that goes on around us.

I know all should know that date in history.

quote:Originally posted by Vulcan

Actually Rexx, I look at the anniversary of 9/11 as I do the 12/7. A tragedy that opened our eyes to the reality that goes on around us.

I know all should know that date in history.


Forgive my question Vulcan. 12/7, that is in reference to Pearl Harbor, is it not? 12-7-41?

yea.. pearl harbor

Here is an interesting read based on the book (I have not read the book yet): Day Of Deceit

http://www.strike-the-root.com/51/walker/walker9.html


Pearl Harbor though was under very different circumstances as compared to 9/11, I have to say that was very brave and quite an achievement for the Japanese to actually pull off that attack, though it was aimed at our own troops and not innocent civilians such as our own nuclear counter attack. Though there is a looming suspicion that our government may have given the incoming Japanese a free pass for the “greater good” of America… and of course Japanese and Japanese-American civilians within America after Pearl Harbor felt the brunt of an instant racism across the US, (The Japanese American Internment) which is not openly talked about in America’s schools, but both Pearl Harbor and Hitler sure the hell are.

i.e: http://www.lm.liverpool.k12.ny.us/Whack ... zanar.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_A ... internment

i'll add a question, where were you when it happened? what were your initial thoughts/feelings?

I was in my dorm room sleeping, it was a tuesday and my first class was psychology at 12:30pm so I was sleeping in. The phone rang at about 7:50(central) and it was my mother telling me to turn on my tv.
I hung up, threw on my glasses and turned on the tv.
I see one of the twin towers burning up top and news reporters saying "a plane accidently hit the world trade center"
I think to myself "damnit mom, this is gonna be on the news for weeks, i could have gotten a few extra hours of sleep, it will be replayed over and over, no need to see it right now."
But for some reason, I couldn't look away no matter how tired I was, something just didn't feel right.
I watched a bit longer, and the longer I watched, the more it didn't feel right.
A plane "accidentally" hitting a big Butt tower like that? Why was it so low in the city?? How could they not avoid such a relatively small target?
I flipped channels to other news stations and a few reporters thought as I did, that maybe it wasn't an accident.
Of course, even then I was only thinking that it was a domestic thing, some crazy white guy from the suburbs who is missing a few cards from his deck.
I sat and watched the tower burn when I hear screaming (from the TV) the camera pans over a bit to show a 2nd plane.
Time slowed almost to a halt it seemed, as I can rememeber it so vividly.
Cry's of "Oh my God, Oh my God!" As the second plane hit the 2nd tower.
I was awake.
My heart nearly leapt out of my chest.
I could barely believe on the surface what I knew was happening.
I watched for a while longer and heard about the pentagon getting hit, and then as the towers fell to the ground. Two once giant towers in the middle of the New York skyline would be no more. Instead, there was a giant burning pile of rubble, ash, and dead bodies.
As I left for class, in my mind all the horror and tradegy flew through my mind as to how scared those people must have been, and how brave those heros were who went into those buildings to save people's lives. In the back of my mind, I knew one thing for sure.. I was going to war. And I was happy. I wanted to strike back at those who did this to us.
Little did I know they would be hiding in caves in the middle of nowhere.

Before this day, my father always used to talk about the day JFK was shot and how he remembered it so vividly, how he was in his class in school and the principle announced over the loudspeakers that our president was dead and all of these other details that he will be able to picture in his mind forever.
I always wondered what that would be like, to have an event so far away, be so tragic that it affects everyone and it is seared into your mind forever. I wondered what that event would be for my generation. Would it be Oklahoma? Nope, my mother was only a few miles away at the time, and I don't remember much about it. Would it be the millenium? Nope, nothing happened then. What would it be I wondered..
Well, I wondered until around 8am on that Tuesday, Septempter eleventh, 2001. As the 2nd plane hit the 2nd tower and exploded into a giant firey ball, it burned itself into my memory never to be forgotten.

Political Correctness facilitated 911, and will cause a similar attack to succeed.

I spend a lot of my time in planes, several flights/week.

I'm an Irish Citizen, living in the States 20 years. In the late 70's early 80's, before I moved to the US, the IRA were perceived (rightly) as a threat by the English. Dublin was not exactly a Hub, most places in Europe, I had to connect through Heathrow. Was I profiled in Heathrow between connections? You bet your Butt I was. Did it bother me? Not a whit. The IRA had never smoked a plane but the English were right to target Irish passengers for attention.

Now? I have seen, over and over, the most ridiculous TSA random examinations. Old men and women, some wheelchair bound, taken for "random screening".

The one that most sticks in my memory was a couple months after 911, it was in Providence RI airport. Blue hair dyed granny in a wheelchair taken out for special screening. Next in line was a 30 something man dressed like Lawrence of Arabia.
He wasnt selected.

Slim, that is exactly how that day started for me as well, I got woken up early by a call from my mother telling me to turn to channel-24, because a plane just cashed into the WTC and was worried that something bad was in the works that day, she was going to be coming to pick me up in a few hours for my dental operation I had scheduled for that day and wanted to make sure I was not going to get called into work (I work in public safety/law enforcement) because of what was now happening several thousand miles away, I told her if they needed me that they would surely call me in, though it was my day off so I was fairly sure they would not need me and besides in about 2-hours time I was going to be unconscious at my dentist, so I was not going to be much good to anybody at any rate, (the previous night I had taken my prescribed medications that make me somewhat ditzy and was advised to not drive after taking them and that I would need somebody to take me to and from the dental office.)

I recall wondering if my appointment was going to be postponed do to what was unfolding on this hapless day. I turned on the news and knew it not attributed to any sort of accident; commercial planes just don’t “accidentally” fly into buildings… then after watching for a few minutes the second one hit, I can only say that I was in complete disbelief, as Slim stated perfectly it was as if time had suddenly stopped! I remained on the sofa watching the events play out until my mother came to pick me up, we went to the dentist, whom had the local radio station playing the events live on his stereo that is piped in around his entire office. He injected me with my meds, I passed out for several hours, while performed the operation (though it felt to me like all about of 15-minutes), he woke me up after he finished and my mother took me back to her house to sleep off the meds, which took most of the day to work themselves off.

My mother told me after I had woke up that a few hours earlier I had some weird dream were I working with the FBI to go after somebody, she told me that I was talking in my sleep (or trying to anyways, as my speech was all slurred.) and wiggling around, she said she was laughing at me cause I sound so funny. After I had awoken she told me the rest of everything else that had been going on that day and I spend the rest of the day affixed to the major news channels listening to all the reporters. After I returned to work, I came to the realization that my City was on a virtual lockdown, being as law enforcement was working extended hours manning the streets in full-force, as well the majority of citizens were reporting anything and everything that looked “suspicious”, for example I can’t even begin to tell you how many citizens reported “Anthrax” left on the streets, that turned out to be flare-ash leftover from a prior traffic collision or a “suspicious ” powder that they found in their mail that sometimes gets into envelopes from credit card mass mailing machines. Also so many arrogant people wanting to report, “suspicious ” Mid-Easterner’s, geez you people get a clue for goodness sake! Though, I quickly realized things were going to be very different from now on.

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh

Political Correctness facilitated 911, and will cause a similar attack to succeed.

I spend a lot of my time in planes, several flights/week.

I'm an Irish Citizen, living in the States 20 years. In the late 70's early 80's, before I moved to the US, the IRA were perceived (rightly) as a threat by the English. Dublin was not exactly a Hub, most places in Europe, I had to connect through Heathrow. Was I profiled in Heathrow between connections? You bet your Butt I was. Did it bother me? Not a whit. The IRA had never smoked a plane but the English were right to target Irish passengers for attention.

Now? I have seen, over and over, the most ridiculous TSA random examinations. Old men and women, some wheelchair bound, taken for "random screening".

The one that most sticks in my memory was a couple months after 911, it was in Providence RI airport. Blue hair dyed granny in a wheelchair taken out for special screening. Next in line was a 30 something man dressed like Lawrence of Arabia.
He wasnt selected.


Kav, that is another thing I totally disagree with, the so call called screening methods, very good points to be raised!

BTW, I did not know they had wild granny's in RI, heh.

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh

Political Correctness facilitated 911, and will cause a similar attack to succeed.

I spend a lot of my time in planes, several flights/week.

I'm an Irish Citizen, living in the States 20 years. In the late 70's early 80's, before I moved to the US, the IRA were perceived (rightly) as a threat by the English. Dublin was not exactly a Hub, most places in Europe, I had to connect through Heathrow. Was I profiled in Heathrow between connections? You bet your Butt I was. Did it bother me? Not a whit. The IRA had never smoked a plane but the English were right to target Irish passengers for attention.

Now? I have seen, over and over, the most ridiculous TSA random examinations. Old men and women, some wheelchair bound, taken for "random screening".

The one that most sticks in my memory was a couple months after 911, it was in Providence RI airport. Blue hair dyed granny in a wheelchair taken out for special screening. Next in line was a 30 something man dressed like Lawrence of Arabia.
He wasnt selected.


Kav, that is another thing I totally disagree with, the so call called screening methods, very good points to be raised!

BTW, I did not know they had wild granny's in RI, heh.


So you disagree with the way we do things, or the way the English did things?
I may be a white American and maybe I don't understand racial profiling the way others do (though I have been to the middle east and I most CERTAINLY was not treated equal there) but I have to agree with Kav 100% that we are FAR too concerned with "polical correctness" rather than safety.
We need to train our screeners to screen the people, not the bags.
If someone looks/acts suspi.cious, then pull them aside and search their stuff.
No need to pull aside a 98 year old local lady and see if she is consealing a bomb.
And recently, with the liquid bomb threat in london, what did we do? We banned *all* liquids.
A mother from my town was flying from here to washington DC, a total of about 6 hours in the air. So she brought 6 bottles of formula for her infant child (one per hour)
It was taken from her.
That is just ridiculous.

ya, but you have to realise, its still a pc comittee who is laying the law down. how can you single out the white mother, when easily a mother from iran could pack a bunch of liquid explosives into her baby formula bottles and blow up the plane in the name of allah?

It wont be long before not all suicide bombers are muslim, you can be certain of that. There are plenty of depressed youth here in North America who will soon jump on the bandwagon.

No, I do agree, that the screening methods are completely ludicrous, the thing I don’t understand with the liquids in bottles is why they can’t just turn them over and move them from side to side, maybe if needed pour some of the fluid out, if there is something hiding inside the bottle it will be visible then, if needed also cut or pull the wrapper off. That is not to mention the use of bomb sensing equipment or a thermal imager, or x-ray would also hint hidden objects, varying densities, etc. I am against flying though complete violation of civil rights. Here is a neat little idea with some interesting discussion about it: http://ideas.4brad.com/node/367

quote:Originally posted by Silence

ya, but you have to realise, its still a pc comittee who is laying the law down. how can you single out the white mother, when easily a mother from iran could pack a bunch of liquid explosives into her baby formula bottles and blow up the plane in the name of allah?

It wont be long before not all suicide bombers are muslim, you can be certain of that. There are plenty of depressed youth here in North America who will soon jump on the bandwagon.


You are correct Sil. But better use of resources would be to target the obvious suspects and then the others. El Al, the Israeli national airline, has been doing that for decades. The next time that an El Al plane gets hijacked will be the first time. Guess why.

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

[beige]No, I do agree, that the screening methods are completely ludicrous, the thing I don’t understand with the liquids in bottles is why they can’t just turn them over and move them from side to side, maybe if needed pour some of the fluid out, if there is something hiding inside the bottle it will be visible then, if needed also cut or pull the wrapper off. That is not to mention the use of bomb sensing equipment or a thermal imager, or x-ray would also hint hidden objects, varying densities, etc. I am against flying though complete violation of civil rights. Here is a neat little idea with some interesting discussion about it: http://ideas.4brad.com/node/367


One can make explosives (and detonators) from several liquids that can be bought in a supermarket. I'm surprised that the wogs didnt figure that out sooner. We used do it as a joke back in the '50s.