Fig Newton's Law of Probabilities: If SG disagrees then Magnolia, must surely be on the right track! [;)]

quote:Originally posted by RexxCrow

Fig Newton's Law of Probabilities: If SG disagrees then Magnolia, must surely be on the right track! [;)]


i disagree'd ?? while im not convinced i hardly say i disagree...its an intresting thought one that i think should be explored more.Besides Maggies my consious...and i her alter ego..

quote:Originally posted by Snow White

and now, a word from another of the "Silent Majority" [:X]

nice post, maggie
but I would like to see:

6) that all nominees have the privilege of declining the nomination prior to the nominations list being made public

as one of the future improvements to the Annual Twars Awards
I enjoy the Traditon as maggie does, and like many others, I have felt that some people were nominated to ballots to which they did not belong (ya, I did vote against me this year). [:D]

if I think of anything else, I'll let ya know


First of all OMG you actually are a member of EIS I thought it was just a mith, never seen you post. heh

But unfortunaly that would be a nice add on, I think some people would have declined as they new they weren't qualified to be in a category.

My main take on it, I just would like to see 1 place that has the results from all of the past votes. Instead of going to this site or that site. I wouldn't even mind making a web page for it if I had all the info and had a site to put it on.

quote:Originally posted by Steel Magnolia

I'm not the only one who thinks that, Vulcan.

I'm glad to see that you didn't take my suggestion as a personal insult.

I know my timing is not good from the standpoint that the awards ended not long ago and there are hard feelings about them. I know that the awards are not respected by some. But they are a part of tradition. Even though the Liberty Bell is cracked, many people would take offense to someone melting it down out of spite and I don't want to see that happen to the awards.

Bringing this up at this time is a direct result of a conversation I had the other day. The person made a joke about the awards......perhaps ....or maybe they meant what they said. They had certainly entertained thoughts of them. It wasn't funny to me. It comes right up there with respect for ma and apple pie. Ma might have made mistakes along the way and maybe apples cause some to have digestive problems, but don't mess with ma and apple pie. Almost every TW 'god' I've ever had, proved to have clay feet and cracks in their pedestal, but I managed to continue to respect them for what they had given to the community. TW Awards is something like that for me.

And to the person I spoke with on the phone...we do agree that we disagree. I have a lot of respect for Space Ghost simply because we have managed to argue agreeably on several occasions. We don't always disagree but we have locked horns a few times. I have no ill feelings toward you. This is about wanting TW Awards to be an improved tradition rather than a source of divisiveness. You are absolutely correct in suspecting that there is more steel than magnolia in me. I saw a quote once in a Pearl Buck book that went something like this......the strongest steel is forged from the hottest fire. I would prefer to be your friend rather than to have you test my metal.

maggie



No problem Maggie, didn't feel insulted at all, and do agree that there should be someone or a couple of them to keep the tradition going and keep it on the official network, or have an aproval of the official network to be the ones to handle it consistently.

I feel we as a community are not really pulling together as we should, and hopefully, if we can get something as the TW Awards to be somthing consistant and fair, then we may have a way to pull all the community together and not have it as an us against them conflict.

Oh SG you did get some nominations. But the top ones got posted, I was hoping you had got more to be in that top amount, I like the special events and tourneys you hold. Hopefully when I get the time to relearn to play again, I hope to be in some of them.

Good thoughts all the way around.... I agree with SW about being able to decline a nomination but might be a better way. I desagree with maggie about having to be a registered user on Eisonline. The best system I saw for the Awards was what Cherokee had in place for the last year he hosted the Awards and would love to see his format used again in the next one. It had a special feature to allow folks to post their comments for each nominee whether it was their nominee or another's. I seriously missed that this year. If anyone can contact Cherokee and convince him to let someone else use his code or modify it slightly with his permission and consultation maybe that is worth checking out...else see how he did it and modify new code accordingly. That would allow players who felt unworthy of a category to express their feelings but also disallow them from removing themselves!

Another take slightly more complex:


Portion A: Only allow TWGS and TW websites submit themselves for all fields they feel they qualify for, they would have to submit proof of meeting the official and established perquisites, the assigned moderator(s) then review and determine if the submittals are actually qualified or not for each invested field. Then removed as applicable.

Portion B: All user and script related aspects of the awards would be submitted by users themselves, there would be not top ten cut-off or limit, i.e. if there are fifty candidates submitted for best CEO or best cashing scripts, etc. then all would be included in the voting process; so long as they actually qualify for the categories they have been submitted in, i.e. if nobody can reasonably account player-X as upholding a CEO position or if a colonizing script was submitted for a cashing category they would be pulled from those inappropriate categories, if so applicable the admin may place them in their proper category i.e. moving the submitted colonizing script to its proper field or simply removing player-X as they at this time do not qualify for any other category.

Both portions would be publicly viewable within yearly archived forums, so the entire process is available or accountability and later review. All modifications made by the moderator(s) would be recorded with these archives.


Additionally, I say all user eligibility vote registrations should be made during a window time each year and should require a combined pre-Email/IP validation, (only this regged IP will permit the user access to the polls once they have officially opened.) If these are to be held on the EIS forums, I also suggest this information should coincide with the user’s actual EIS user account information and the users should use their known EIS handles during their voting submittals and archive thread posts. I also agree that anybody that so wishes should be able to advise the moderator(s) they wish to be removed as an eligible candidate. I also suggest that users and scripts are not eligible to nominate themselves or their own scripters, I believe that to detract from the true spirit and intent of the awards.

FC,

My thoughts about voters having an account at EIS came largely from an effort to ensure that bogus players didn't come out of the woodwork at the last minute. I'm not at all sure how that can be controlled, but there probably are better ways. I know there are players out there who know nothing about eis and I don't really want to take away their vote. On the other hand, I have friends across the world, who would do me a favor and register and vote if I asked them to.

I realize we can't fix everything about the awards but maybe a little mortar stuffed in the cracks will keep her from crumbling. I'm trying to replace the nose, but it will more than likely end up looking a little bloodied.

maggie, who loves the fact that her friends can disagree with her and remain her friends

WOW this topic is way to complex to answer in the time i can sit here at keys.

Ok 1st i will confer with JP and work out an idea i have.
2nd i will draft my response to this topic over the next few days and post here, i am glad to see that players are wanting to condense tradewars releated areas back to the main EIS Site.

Peace...

The new portal should be able to handle the awards. we should be able to limit it to eis members and allow one of the moderators to run it.
We can investigate this. i agree with the general premise of the thread.
earth.

Thanks earth, I didn't want to say anything about the new setup till I heard from you, and now we know that it should be possible to bring it to where it should be part of the TW community as a whole, so now we gotta put someone in charge for it, I know if I do it I forfeit my server for nominations for anything and myself as well, but that I could live with, unless any of the other mods want to work with it, when the time comes.

edited for spelling

Thank you, earth, for looking into it. What more can I ask!

maggie

bump

That tickles...

quote:Originally posted by Traitor

Duh,
Gary Martin
Then Targa/Stardock BBS
Then John Pritchett
Then EleqTrizi'T
Then Guardian
Then Rave
Then Jerry/Oldtimer (Coastgames)
Then Xide / TWX Proxy
Then Jhereg

I've been fortunate enough to have played with or talked to each of them.

For those who are interested, you can look at the previous winners here:
http://www.tw-cabal.com/other/twAwards_ALL.xls

I got this from Kemper. It's missing the 1998 data, so if anyone has it, let me know.


Sadly, CK never made it in there, definitely one of the best.

He still could.