Stockton, if you truly believe that becuase I read a NUMBER of different political views, from many different web sites, that I lost any credibility, then hope is lost. So if I was to read only the Republican news papers, would that make me a good Republican? Or if I was only to read all the Democrat news papers, would that make me a good Democrat? I've been battling with my potlicial issues within my self for years, and i'm trying to get a handle on it. The only way I know how is to read every pice of news on the subject for ever view possible, and make my own informed decision. Does it always work? No. But I just want to be informed by more than the liberal bias news papers of American, and the liberal Media. I would like to know all the views before I make my decision.

Sings #9

"9. What about in cases of rape and incest? Or in cases of medical complications? Abortion may seem "wrong" to some... but who are we to judge the actions of another when our own are imperfect? I find it funny that people want to re-instate the 10 commandments when Christ himself wasn't a particular fan of them. What with the pharisees and 2 great commandments and all that."

I'd like to point out, that there are a few of us on this forum, that are jewish and german blood that would not be here if our mothers had the choice to abort. I am pro life, but I would never be with a woman who had an abortion, why? Because perhaps my daughters wouldn't be here today, or my son, or my mother/myself.. Not to mention, 1/2 the nation that is mixed blood of native americans and europeons, not to even touch malattos...

If abortion were around and legal 300 years ago, none of us would be who we are today, and this country would still very much be at civil war. Matter of fact, the race war would be 1 million percent harder than it is. If you can't see that, then open your eyes, abortion is wrong on many levels, and right on some. Everyone says ADOPT or GIVE YOUR CHILD AWAY FOR ADOPTION but I don't think anyone has really done much research into it. I had a friend that adopted a child, the paperwork started when the little girl was born, and she took custody 5 years later.

What kinda life did that little girl have in those 5 years?

a ****ty one.

Use your Non home educated intellegence before making a comment about "what about rape?"

**** that

You probably wouldn't be alive either

BTW, If I were an admin, which I'm not

I'd post a message saying that this isn't the correct forum for politcal / religious views, and lock the topic (hint)

easy cowboy.. that is his opinion, get over it. funny.. you had no problem posting in this thread until something tickled you, now you want it locked? oh and by the way abortion was around 300 years ago, just try to visualize the procedure with the technology they had back then.. was pretty bad. and even if abortion WERE stopped, there would still be people doing abortions after birth.


Looking for a safe stance on abortion?

Me neither.

I don't know how many of them would have chosen abortion. I've met women on both sides of that fence... some that would still have the baby, others that would not. People have known how to terminate pregnancy long before the term "abortion" was made up. Yet ya'll are still here.

Civil war ended because the south had no resources left to fight (Sherman's march, mostly). Nothing to do w/ mixed blood, as the civil war was not really about slavery to begin with. As far as racism goes... can't say mixed people have made that any easier either, as white "power" groups still use that as an excuse to kill innocent people (They be comin fa yur wimmen!). Racism ended for me when I was a kid... and my parents made it known prejudice was not tolerated in their home.

I've known plenty of adopted people, most of whom did not go thru a 5-year paperwork process. We can talk about extreme cases all day long, and naturally some kind of checks or balances need to exist to prevent those, but those don't justify abandoning the whole concept when millions of happy adoptees go about their daily life.

And this isn't a forum for political views in general, but that was the topic of the thread... the intent of the original author.

Anyway, none of that touches the medical complications issue either. My stance is real simple... the law is not in a position to prejudge what people do in these situations under the current political climate. Too many counter-examples exist that make the subject more complex than it seems, so until laws or processes can be drafted that allow for just decisions on a case by case basis... we should just leave it alone.

Loc has a point tho... even if abortion was made illegal nation-wide, some people would still find a way to bypass the ban. Backroom coat-hanger procedures were quiet common long before it was "legal."

Well, kinda like I touched on earlier, I agree, and disagree, pro choice, yet pro life. I belive its the decision of BOTH parties involved, not just one, in the case of a rape, that is up to one person, IMO.

The whole civil war crap I was getting to was more like a massive race riot.

As to locking the topic, IMO its gotten a little out of hand, and way off subject.

Well I am not falling for that lock the topic trap today so forget that. : )

NOOOO! Dont lock it. I love this debate and am smart enough to understand that people are not going to change their minds based on my beliefs. I just hate that these almost always end up in name calling and cussing fits, but alas...

You should really read the book on a federal sales tax by Neal Boortz called The Fairtax. It will really open your eyes to many things that you would never think about as far as taxes go. It may not change your mind about income taxes but it will bring up some important points for you to consider. I think it could work here. BTW, my state is income tax free and our registration runs between 45-70 dollars for vehicles.

QUOTE #1: DONT YOU EVER talk about something you have NO CLUE what your talking about.

QUOTE #2: Your an ****ING IDIOT, and if I ever have the displasure of meeting you, i'll rub your *** **** nose right where welfare is needed, you neo con pice of ****. You have no IDEA, if your not POOR dont run your mouth about ISSUES YOU HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA what your talking about. THIS IS a welfare state, I pay my taxes every year *****, and growing up poor I know *** **** well that we need welfare and medicaid. We need Standardized medicince. If you've never been poor BC, DONT YOU EVER open your ****ing mouth about welfare again.

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Anyway, nice talking with you.

I strongly suggest you take your own advice as you've pretty much chow'd down on not only both your feet but most of your legs and you're about 1/2 through with the hips as well...

You have proven once again the effectiveness of the leftist media/elite in America at brainwashing the ignorant into spouting total gibberish.

I'd refute your arguments point by point but:

A) It was already done by others and

B) I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with someone with no ammunition.

QUOTE: no matter how bad I hate your views
We're having a political (logical) discussion, what place does HATE (emotion) have in it? I'll tell you: Since the left knows that when people stop to think about what they are saying they will realize they'd be insane to believe/follow the leftist rants they use emotion to prevent people from thinking. It works. HATE makes one fail to consider the facts because they're too worked up and busy HATING....

So now do you understand how one so passionate can be so confused at the same time?

LACK OF BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE BUDGET PROCESS. That is what is demonstrated here when someone blames the President for anything having to do with taxes, spending, etc. The President PROPOSES a budget. CONGRESS has the power of the purse. Any taxation, any spending, the blame is squarely on their heads. Don't whine about "but it's a REPUBLICAN majority Congress", I know that. Yet they still have to contend with programs (entitlements) that were instituted by DEMOCRATS and are virtually impossible to get under control or kill.

As for WELFARE, yes, a limited welfare system is necessary. But the system we had, and the system that still exists, tends to encourage people to become dependent instead of independent. Nice if your voter base depends on you... and the left calls the right sheep! That makes me laugh so hard I can't see straight.

By the way, since you've decided I'm a "Bushie" or whatever already, I'm a REGISTERED INDEPENDENT who is pretty much sick of BOTH major parties.

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Lets see, State of the Union checklist for dummies;
War on Terror - Cluster f**k
FEMA - Cluster f**k
Republican Scandals - Cluster f**k
Economy - Cluster f**K
Foreign Relations - Cluster f**k

Yes indeed only a dummy would come to those conclusions about those topics, I wholeheartedly agree with you on that one point. And F**K is cursing... I thoguht they didn't like cursing here... hiding the uc behind ** is stupid.. if you're gonna say the word, SAY IT.

wow Gwar... how many posts was that in a row? Can you maybe condense them into one.. ya know, not inflate the ol' post count? laff

quote:Originally posted by Baited
ACtually your wrong, When Bush came to office we were at are peek in Education spending..
I find this the funniest thing in this thread. Ahhhh. The sweet, sweet disconnect of irony.

QUOTE: hes under estimated an enemy that has no boundries

OK first of all, all enemies have some sort of boundries, some sort of support structure, etc. In this case it's a clash of cultures - radical Islam wants to take the world back to the dark ages. They are supported by Iran and Saudi Arabia in large part with lesser contributions from factions in places like Pakistan, Afghanistan and other largely Moslem countries. And funny you should fault BUSH for his record on the war on terror - look at all the attacks that we suffered under CLINTON and how ineffectual the responses were - BIN LADEN actually came right out and said he realized what losers we were based on the LACK of any resopnse by Clinton. Iraq? Had CLINTON done what was necessary, what was right, we wouldn't be in Iraq today. But no use crying over spilt milk, too late - he left it for BUSH to do and BUSH stood up and did it - you gotta respect him for that. I don't like a lot of things BUSH did but there is NO COMPARISON, no honest one, between Iraq and VietNam. The closest I'll agree on this is that the left wants America to fail in Iraq and is determined to do everything to see that we do fail there. THey have staked their political future on it. Same with Social Security reform - they are counting on the system to go bad. As for universal health care - another program to be mismanaged and rife with the very scandals you rail about - but Abramoff played both sides of the street and in any case BOTH parties are neck-deep in that same crap. Just because today's scandal seems to involve more on the right doesn't change the fact tromorrow's won't. And the involvement of DEMOCRATS in this scandal is coming out, bit by bit, too.

That pretty much defines Clinton/Gore/Edwards/Kerry/Kennedy to a T. Take Iran - you can't reason with the madman in charge - he believes he is the predicted bringer of doom who will usher in the end of the world... he is hell-bent to obtain and use nukes. You can't reason with him. They have been lying about their nuclear intent - now we could go the way Clinton did with N. Korea (who is also a good candidate to start a nuke exchange) and pay them to lie to us and produce nukes anyway...