Hmmm.... Maybe Delta wouldn't be going bankrupt if Black & Decker actually distributed their tools instead of only delivering Dewalt tools.

The only reason Delta is going "bankrupt" is so they can outsource the labour from a great American company to Mexico, just like Dewalt.

The country isn't in a downward spiral, my friend. Unemployment is under 5%.
What does that compare to in Europe? We're still quite strong.
Our industries have to adjust to the fact that things that were once made here are now made just as good but for a lot cheaper in other countries. Look at the bright side- the healthcare industry is going to boom as soon as the bby boomers start retiring.

Bah. Easily said, Oso, when you're not one of the disaffected many.

And how are all these baby boomers going to pay for this? Who's going to insure them when they retire? Nobody. Medicare for most, private pensions for the lucky few. In otherwards these are bills that are being paid for by our taxes, can you afford to subsidize an entire industry? At the currently going rate? Riiiight... More debt shifting. Giving future generations more debt so the current ones can live beyond their means.

The economy is in the toilet. Job creation is still at pathetically low levels and the average income per family is not keeping pace with the cost of living. Those jobs that are being "created" are being done at a lower wage, while the only solution... more education... continues to increase in cost. Unemployment numbers are fiction, how many people are underemployed? I know quite a few people with advanced degrees in math and science that can't get a job except at wal-mart or the corner 7-11. You tell me these people are having good economic times. Never trust statistics... trust what happens in the world around you. All over this country people are taking jobs at lower pay and working longer hours to afford the same standard of living. That means we are getting poorer as a nation, not richer. This is data I don't have to get from a media source... from watching Fox or CNN or whatever, I get it by watching my friends and family make sacrifices just to pay bills that my grandparents considered trivial.

Not blaming this all on Bush. He's one man with an incredibly bad domestic policy, but no one person has the power to sink the economy. The problem is... nobody is really doing anything to stimulate things at all ($400 tax refund that I have to claim as income for the next year? Get real). It's just business as usual, which means less jobs for the rest of us. Meanwhile those in charge get rich by just pointing fingers at each other and the really stupid among us fall for it and point fingers too (modern day gladiators... we who are about to be ridiculed in public as a distraction... SALUTE YOU!)...

I think we should throw em all out and just elect dolphins. They'd be smarter... and they work for tuna. Think about it.

I love posting when I'm tired

This is coming off of 19 hours of no sleep... **** bush, **** clinton (hilary and the other moron), vote for pedro, any other vote is wasted...

I'm SERIOUSLY going to write in pedro on my slip

I encourage you to follow suit

Me Graz, I am viting for Daffy Duck for president, lmao

And Yeah_that_way, the reason Delta is going bankrupt is that the exec's kept on giving themselves fat raises and not distrubuting the profits back down to where it is needed in the company, for the replacements of parts and supplies,and payraises to to where they should go.

Also the outsourcing can be attributed to the practices and policies that were started then the Dems took control of this lovely country, and raised the taxes to a level that the business' needed to do something to cut overhead and the only way out was to out source to the cheapest bidder.

Also on a side note, the 911 event would not have happened if for one thing that is very important, when Clinton closed down a lot of major Military bases both here and around the world, and downsized the military, all to save the country money ( yeah right) the cuts in the military was to give the Dem's more money to funnel into their pockets, if you go to the right places for the govt expendature records you will find that the spending didn't reduce one penny from all these cuts, in fact it grew, and on top of it all our military was severely weakened, just look at all the people that are on reserve that have to go full active due to these cuts. Where as the full active military would have been up to par if not for these cuts. This is coming from a former full active soldier. And to me the reduction in our military and its strength was a suicide to our country, and the Terrorist saw that and capitalized on it.

Personally I hate to even get involved in political discussions, and don't like the way the govt was run, but I have to say one thing about Bush, he said he was going to do something about the terrorism and he did, how many presidents in the past has said that and stuck with it. He may not have been the best President, but he has stuck by his beliefs on what he is fighting for, for our country and its freedom, just remember that when the United Nations implements its New World Order.

Sigh...you poor thing.

War on Terror - As for the loss of life, perhaps you should get a clue. I suppose you already know that we lost more troops in every year from 1980-1987 than we did in 2004. I know you watch a lot of news so maybe you can tell me all about the reasons that wars cost us all these military lives. Only libs compare Iraq and Vietnam. We lost 6000 troops per YEAR over the years from 1965-1975 and almost 1000 every year Clinton was President during peace time. You do the math. They have nothing in common other than if a democrat comes into office they will keep us from winning both conflicts. Good try and watch some more news.

FEMA - Who is responsible for taking care of the city of New Orleans? I find it hilarious that dems wont blame other dems for ANYTHING. Perhaps you have forgotten that mandatory evacuations were not ordered by either Nagin or Bianco until it was too late and that they chose to ignore the government when they BEGGED them to get the people out. Perhaps you have forgotten that Nagin went through the poor neighborhoods blasting on loudspeakers that "the city will send buses to pick you up" if an evacuation is ordered. I know, I know...you are someone who agrees with the things that racist *****es like dianne feinstein (see voting on senate majority leader during the years of 86, 88, 90, 92) say. It is really simple to see where the blame lies FIRST and that is the local/state governments. However, it is easy to understand why the most corrupt city/state governments in the country cant take care of themselves.

Scandals - See Lewinski and lying under oath and the commital of felonies by Presidents before even considering talking about worst President in history. Many consider FDR one of the greatest and surely you know all the problems with that...

Economy - First of all "Your an idiot man." should look like this "You're an idiot..". The only reason I point that out is because if you are going to belittle someone at least use proper grammar. Why are businesses outsourcing jobs? You seem like an intelligent person so surely can do a little bit of research and try to understand why higher taxes cost us jobs here at home. For example, do a real quick search on Daimler-Chrysler and let me know why they chose Germany as a HQ instead of the United States. Finally, in spite of outsourcing lets look at economic indicators: Minority homeownership is up, more Americans own homes than EVER before, Unemployment is at < 5%, Productivity is way up, household net worth is up - all of which is way better than in 1995. Do the math, genius, before you make yourself look silly. Lastly if you seriously did read much "news" you would know that the United States was in the early stages of a recession BEFORE Bush took office and the economy is doing this despite overcoming 911, Katrina, Recession, and war.

Foreign Relations - Historically speaking we havent "needed" the French since the late 1700's. The day we "need" them is the day we are no longer a great nation. If you are going to let the most liberal, morally corrupt area of the world set our policies then we are going to suffer the same fate that the Euros seem to be determined to suffer. Last I checked we have peace with Germany and France. It has just taken them a while to come around. I have visited both of those countries in the last couple years (I was in Germany when we started attacking Iraq) and you would be really surprised at how they actually view Americans. Of course, I can see watching CNN and reading the LA Times would blind you to truth.

The draft is going to start because of the military cuts instituted during slicks presidency, not because of our war with Iraq. We now have cut back on about 25% of our active military so no doubt eventually it is coming. You say in one sentence that I dont care about my fellow man and then you make it sound like we shouldnt be willing to remove people like Hussein and Ahmadinejad and Kim Jong-il. These are people who kill/starve/imprison anyone who disagrees with their idealogy and are dying for the day they can kill YOU and I. I think pehaps it is you who have no compassion for your fellow man.

I find your comments about taxes really funny. I work in education and I have not seen a whole lot of benefit to higher taxes. Sorry, but you are completely wrong on that. I wonder how much of my actual money went to help Ralph Nagin keep his home and his nice clothes in "Chocolate City" while his constituents starved.

We have cut down on the welfare state and all the doom and gloom predictions by the dems have shown not to be true. Sorry, but you are wrong about needing welfare.

All in all I would say your arguments are weak and more or less verbatim from any democratic we site/blog on the net. Come up with something original before you call people dumb Butt and one of these days I am going to find a dem who can actually offer solutions to problems instead of criticizing others' decisions.

As for EVE Online there were 20,000 people playing today when I logged on. How many do you have in the average TW game nowadays?

now vulcan.. im not here to get in the middle of this, but how can you sit there and say the 9/11 events would not have happened had clinton not downsized the military? i can see you saying "maybe the events would not have happened" but come on, you cant just say it for sure.


/HIJACK

what ever happened with your nephew vulcan? he at home now?

quote:Originally posted by LoCuTiS

now vulcan.. im not here to get in the middle of this, but how can you sit there and say the 9/11 events would not have happened had clinton not downsized the military? i can see you saying "maybe the events would not have happened" but come on, you cant just say it for sure.



9/11 would have happened regardless, as we thought we were invincible especally on our own soil, and we keep getting in crap that has nothing to do with us, oh I forgot I'm wrong,,, they had oil so that has everything to do with us... And increasing the military what a good idea, we can do that by cutting spending on medicare and education. Hell our parents don't need any medication for their golden years, and **** our kids definitly don't need a good education they can become bums, or go work for Mcdonals.... What a bunch of crap...

ROFL baited.
9/11 might have happened, or might not have. It was not inexorable. So you're saying we should allow genocide and slavery around the world because that would be "getting in crap that has nothing to do with us" right?
Hmm increase the military = jobs for people. It's not the economy that drives old people to work at Mcdonalds, it's the fact they didn't plan for their future and ended up relying on Social (in)Security... As for education- we're spending more on education now that we ever have. Perhaps if parents were involved with their kid's education, they wouldn't end up working a McJob. Homeschoolers have to pay for the idiots at public school, and for their own kids. Yet those kids are more successful. It's called personal responsibility- we shouldn't need to rely on the government for anything not mentioned in the Constitution.

BC I didnt know we were going to keep ranting on about this, so;

War on Terror - Show me some proof my friend as you proablly dont know, i'm 19, and I have done much research, show me some figures that are not bias either way, and will talk. I can compare Iraq to the War in Vietnam becuase if we were fighting Vietnam, as well trained as our military is in this day in age, the protection that they have, the armor, and the hardware they use, Vietnam may have well been a Police action were only a few thousand lives were lost, instead of over 65,000, not just 60000, do your research. We lost over 65,000 lives, dead or MIA. Nothing in common? Ok lets see, the war in Vietnam from the time we started sending our "military advisors" over, til its very end had growing opostion, and would eventually lead to the pull out of our soilders, along with bad commanding, and a feeling of "invicibilitay" the would help the Tet Offensive be so damaging. The war in Iraq has steadly, and rapidly decreased in popularity, and the support is falling away faster and faster. A Democrat can see past his own selfish views, and realize that sometimes you need a little deplomacy so that your own people dont care the full brunt of the cost and loss of military life.

Regardless of what you say, Bush has always by passed what ever he doesnt agree with. The UN, the World Courts, and even the congress and senate. (His little Supreme Court Judge placing??) Ring a bell to you BC? Bush doesnt like it, doesnt agree with it, he bypasses it. Hell he's even bypassing the secret court in order to do domestic spying, then trying to lead the public to believe that it is his right to order such actions under the Patriot Act. Yes Bush likes to bypass everyone and anything that he sees unfit.

FEMA - IT WAS NOT JUST NEW ORLEANS that was hit by this disater, it was from Lousisana all the way to Alabama, homes were destroyed ever where. "Katrina land" refers to the south west-south east that was ravaged by the hurricane, not just New Orleans as you so blunty stated. A natural disater is under the jurisdiction of the FEDERAL GOVERMENT. When a state or a place is declared a "National Disater Area" it means just that, a national problem. Ingored the goverment? WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE that didnt have the money to leave? You forget, New Orleans has some of the poorest people in America. I didnt see the goverment giving any money to them to help them leave. The people that couldnt leave, those are the ones that really suffered.

When a natural disater destroys our brothers and sisters homes, takes their lives, and devestates their whole life, WE AS AMERICANS cannot let this go unhelped. Thats like saying 9/11 was just a New York problem, are you seriouslly trying to tell me that a destroyed city was supposed to just magically fix its self? Get real.

Economy - First off, I can read, I can type, but one thing i've never claimed I could do was spell. I dont use spell check unless I'm getting a grade, or handing it to my boss, and your not worth my time to take a grammar check or spelling check, get over it. What houses are you looking about BC? Who's house hold value is way up, Bill Gate's? I have met only one person, who can honestly say their life is better now than it was 10 years ago. The economy is not recovering. And for one of the first times in history, not even a major conflict has boosted the economy.

Foreign Relations - We disagree on Foreign policy, just like BUSH and his Republican army do with the rest of the civilized world.

Let me leave you on this, welfare isnt needed? Your an ****ING IDIOT, and if I ever have the displasure of meeting you, i'll rub your *** **** nose right where welfare is needed, you neo con pice of ****. You have no IDEA, if your not POOR dont run your mouth about ISSUES YOU HAVE NO EARTHLY IDEA what your talking about. THIS IS a welfare state, I pay my taxes every year *****, and growing up poor I know *** **** well that we need welfare and medicaid. We need Standardized medicince. If you've never been poor BC, DONT YOU EVER open your ****ing mouth about welfare again. The poor cannot be mistreated, or one day they will rise up, just ask China, or Russia, or Cuba, and they will tell you, take away hope from the poor, and someone will give them that hope, they will take up arms, and the rest is called the rise and fall of communism.

Give me a break, your in Education? Well then you know that American test scores have steadily dropped over the past 5 years. Anyway, nice talking with you.

DONT YOU EVER talk about something you have NO CLUE what your talking about. Go be poor for a weak dumb Butt, then come back and say we dont need welfare. Someone should cut your balls off for that.

Oso, exactly how old are you anyway? Ever had an actual job for any length of time? Ever tried to provide for a family of 4 on 25k a year? Ever been in your 60s and facing down a pension that might not be there? If only life was so black and white... if only poverty was actually about not having money.

We're spending more on education than we ever have? Uh no. My grandparents generation got a free university education. Even without military service most still found their way into a university w/ little overhead. My parents generation had largely the same (highly subsidized expenses), then they decided that low taxes were more important than a developed mind... and now they can't get their kids to understand math and pray to a mega church. Karma and all. I got lucky w/ scholarships but most people don't. Maybe the cure for the next deadly disease just disappeared because some 19 year old took a full time job instead of a full time education. Homeschoolers are not more successful... I know a home schooled kid that just married a 16 year old cuz he knocked her up. That's success? Give me a break. Being sheltered doesn't make you more successful, it just makes you more oblivious to real world problems.

Anyway. Why is it that people can't understand the basics of society. What happens to one person effects another. Why don't we take everyone that votes against socialized medicine and blackball them from medicare, let them figure out how hard it gets when they're 60 and dying from a preventable illness after their company embezzled the pension fund and "outsourced" their job. Maybe the next bunch of people will be smarter if stupidity had quicker consequences. No I wouldn't really do that... but I do enjoy the irony.

We need to take responsibility for our kids? Most people do ya know. But you've got a choice to make... a 60-hour work week and a middle class life or spending time w/ your kids while worrying about how to feed them. Which is worse? Self-righteous morality is a poor substitute for a real solution.

What happened w/ Katrina is a horrible tradgedy, made worse by isolated beaurocrats that would rather fiddle while Rome burns. The summer after Bush was elected there was this massive series of forest fires out in the western states, Utah, Nevada, Arizona and parts of California. I remember driving out down the highway and looking at the smoke... then when I got home I turned on the TV and saw Bush playing golf. Never did the idea of doing something ever occur to him, people lost their lives and their homes when no help came. Yet ya'll still re-elected this guy. Again, stupidity has consequences. Obviously not much has changed since then. Too bad Iran didn't cause Katrina... would've been a perfect opportunity for our corrupt leadership to sell you on another oil war.

quote:Originally posted by LoCuTiS

now vulcan.. im not here to get in the middle of this, but how can you sit there and say the 9/11 events would not have happened had clinton not downsized the military? i can see you saying "maybe the events would not have happened" but come on, you cant just say it for sure.


/HIJACK

what ever happened with your nephew vulcan? he at home now?


He will be home in a couple of weeks, thank god, now we all can rest easy here, and the wait is finally over on getting him home, now the wait for the lawsuits start.

Good to hear...

very good to hear!

LoL Sing. I am 30, with a family of 5. Working AND going to school. (and I still find time to play TW)
People don't save if they think the government will pay for their retirement.
A lot of the problems today come from debt- credit cards, extra mortgages, etc.
That is where people get into trouble and can't make it.
As for fiddling while rome burns, LOL!
You can say that for just about every politician- jackass or elephant.