heh what a bunch of BS, sounds like u guys need to agree on the edits and pick corps and go at it on a neutral server... I know of a couple that would probely do it...heh heh, But I wnna watch...lol

Think of all the podding that could have taken place while this thread has been goin on! and Bethel....I don't quite know how to put this but a woman needs to pod you bad!

ExVex that was Extrafabulotastic, this entire Externalization Exteriorizes the supporting Extrication of true Explotation. We should all realize this Extraordinary Exhibit as an Expolative attempt to Exuberate the Exhibitory facts at hand. The Extortioners in question should Extricate themselves Extraneously from this entire Extrude or face the wraths of Extrovertation and becoming Exiled into Exterminatory conditions!

ExVex you are a a prime Example of deus Ex machina!

OMG rexx that was awesome bud.....rofl..........you have true verbausity , you have mastered your understanding of overclompicating a sentence to confuse the masses.That was an extraordinairey example of the extreme use of ex , i wish i could extrude such words of excellence.....lol.....okay i will stop.

Rexx, was that a burn or what? I cant figure it out at all...rofl, my brain just overheated and freakin went into shutdown mode...

ROFL, just having fun with Ex words; you know to match the 4Exiles theme. [;)] No it was not a burn. [:D]

I find this whole thread funny , Thrawn you are the sysop , feel free to operate it as you see fit , but as a cosysop of a server , I understand that just because have the right to do as you see fit , does not mean you should.I am not dissing your server or you , it seems that both parties have there pionts and issues , and you guys should shake hands and agree to disagree.No need to twist words and argue or even to discredit each others name , and in thrawns case his board, play where you want and if you don't like a server , go else where.Anyways folks , feel free to shread my post , it matters not to me.

quote:Originally posted by Exile

I find this whole thread funny , Thrawn you are the sysop , feel free to operate it as you see fit , but as a cosysop of a server , I understand that just because have the right to do as you see fit , does not mean you should.I am not dissing your server or you , it seems that both parties have there pionts and issues , and you guys should shake hands and agree to disagree.No need to twist words and argue or even to discredit each others name , and in thrawns case his board, play where you want and if you don't like a server , go else where.Anyways folks , feel free to shread my post , it matters not to me.


Why don't you leave Outpost if you dont like it. Thats what I would do. Why slam the board your in Mathew are Ex. Makes no cents to me. Hey, Void your planets was nice. You guys have yelled about the samething thing the hole time. If you dont like it go. It is your choice as A player. Dont bash the ops. And you and I know you had just as much even more to do with this then they did. I was thier for fed comm post fourm! Come on my girls are 6-4 and they dont act like this. It's A GAME get over it. Life is too short! Bash me all you want. I will stay on Outpost and other boards. This is realy old when I cant enjoy play the game I love on the board I love. QUIT no one cares. For every 1 player that quits we get 3-4 new ones. I'm sick of this. It is crazy. Oh and I'm not A ops I'm A player. RESPECT is earn not given. And bashing the ops you get no RESPECT! Fet up with the bashing you are giving Outpost and Thrawn/Scanman/Dysan. Leave bye bye! Maybe I can have fun now! Blackbeard/ El Cid and Bossk!! Good day all. El Cid out....

I have not played on the outpost server i was simply saying make up and move on.If a player has issues with a server , simply leave.Which from the sounds of it , Exvex and Alt have left , why then this arguing?And El-Cid your post is jus fueling the already raging fire , it was not needed as these folks seem to have enough fuel.

Wow people this is all crazy.
I just want to say that the pass word thing TO ME is fine. Thrawn didnt have to really, which he didnt, and its up to him if he was going to do it or not. Thrawn I see what you were saying in that a corp member took your stuff and you had to start over, and in a sense here so did we. Now, I realize that we said things differently back then when it happened and now Im saying something else but that's because I have had time to think about it plus reading all these posts. They have made me see some things. One more thing about the pass word thing. Yes IF thrawn changed it everything would've been fine and then what ever right? well he didnt and that was fine because like I thrawn said he was in a simular situation.

This is between matt and scanman and/or thrawn but I just wanted to say that really nobody should "slam" the sysops. It isn't nice and Im sorry if I have, I cant recall the situation happened to long ago for me plus I got back from work recently so Im a bit tired. But there is a diplomatic way of doing things yes we all do it undiplomaticly, but still it is truely not good to slam the sysops/co-sysops.

Hey thrawn renegades on your server has had double standards from the corp Im on, at least I would say. But the same is true at least some what with some other players too. But hey that was earlier and am sorry myself if I was part of the double standard thing.
And like I said I have now seen things differently and people like ExVex or Alt-F4 might think differently about me MAYBE but this is how I feel now and what I see now.
Also what you said thrawn about people not coming to you first about a situation, its true that people havent and posted else where and what ever else. That's just an error on however does it. Because if they dont know all the facts or dont bring things to you how are you supposed to deal with them.

Hey matt you maybe a little pissed when you were writing your posts but hey man cool the jets. Yes things get to me too and Im different than you. Meaning I dont get mad lke you do or post like you do but I just want to say one thing. It is not that good to say certain things only because they carry on things/situations or start new problems but we are all human and make mistakes or do things we shouldnt i know that all to well. Im hoping that you wont be mad with what I have said here. I just merely wanted to say that things can be done a different way. Now yes you have the freedom to say what you will but just trying to help calm you down hope this doesnt start something between us. And sorry if this offends you. I just dont want to see things carry on for ever. They will stop sometime, so why not now.

On the note that this thread started with the sysop playing in their games. Well the reason people look at it badly is that they have the power to use t-edits. But not all of them would, probably not many. That is the reason nothing more nothing less. My thought is if its a real problem its probably not a good idea to play in your own games. Now anyone can do what they want here. Im not trying to tell anyone what to do just my opinion, because I have seen what has happened when they do.
So thrawn I hope you see this the way that Im trying to say it. If not let me know I will try to say it better.
But if a sysop/co-sysops play in a game it should do duely marked on there website, forum, and maybe even there startup page. And then anyone coming into the game knows that the sysops/co-sysops are playing in the game and you play if you want to but if you have aproblem with it than dont. Again please nobody take this the wrong way. So All in all just probably not a good idea unless duely marked like I said. But even then people might still look at it badly.

Well hopefully this post does keep things going that have been going on here. And I have read pages 2 and 3 here so I know whats has been going on here. So hopefully no one thinks Im just jumping in without knowing whats going on I did read all these posts and I think I will read page 1 as well. But amyways, I dont want to start anything new here or carry anything on I just wanted to put out my opinion like others have.

Wow now I have written a book. Sorry for the long post just a lot being talked about. And remember plz, I am NOT saying anyone should do what I say, its just how I see it now and an opinion. And if I have offended anyone plz talk to me and we will sort it out. It will be easier to change then if posted because then things like that usually get dragged on. Ok Im done. I was going to end this post a paragraph or two ago lol.

And I do have my own server if anyone is interested its Exileshaventw addy is: 70.66.224.143 port 23

shaka

quote:Originally posted by shaka

Wow people this is all crazy.
I just want to say that the pass word thing TO ME is fine. Thrawn didnt have to really, which he didnt, and its up to him if he was going to do it or not. Thrawn I see what you were saying in that a corp member took your stuff and you had to start over, and in a sense here so did we. Now, I realize that we said things differently back then when it happened and now Im saying something else but that's because I have had time to think about it plus reading all these posts. They have made me see some things. One more thing about the pass word thing. Yes IF thrawn changed it everything would've been fine and then what ever right? well he didnt and that was fine because like I thrawn said he was in a simular situation.

This is between matt and scanman and/or thrawn but I just wanted to say that really nobody should "slam" the sysops. It isn't nice and Im sorry if I have, I cant recall the situation happened to long ago for me plus I got back from work recently so Im a bit tired. But there is a diplomatic way of doing things yes we all do it undiplomaticly, but still it is truely not good to slam the sysops/co-sysops.

Hey thrawn renegades on your server has had double standards from the corp Im on, at least I would say. But the same is true at least some what with some other players too. But hey that was earlier and am sorry myself if I was part of the double standard thing.
And like I said I have now seen things differently and people like ExVex or Alt-F4 might think differently about me MAYBE but this is how I feel now and what I see now.
Also what you said thrawn about people not coming to you first about a situation, its true that people havent and posted else where and what ever else. That's just an error on however does it. Because if they dont know all the facts or dont bring things to you how are you supposed to deal with them.

Hey matt you maybe a little pissed when you were writing your posts but hey man cool the jets. Yes things get to me too and Im different than you. Meaning I dont get mad lke you do or post like you do but I just want to say one thing. It is not that good to say certain things only because they carry on things/situations or start new problems but we are all human and make mistakes or do things we shouldnt i know that all to well. Im hoping that you wont be mad with what I have said here. I just merely wanted to say that things can be done a different way. Now yes you have the freedom to say what you will but just trying to help calm you down hope this doesnt start something between us. And sorry if this offends you. I just dont want to see things carry on for ever. They will stop sometime, so why not now.

On the note that this thread started with the sysop playing in their games. Well the reason people look at it badly is that they have the power to use t-edits. But not all of them would, probably not many. That is the reason nothing more nothing less. My thought is if its a real problem its probably not a good idea to play in your own games. Now anyone can do what they want here. Im not trying to tell anyone what to do just my opinion, because I have seen what has happened when they do.
So thrawn I hope you see this the way that Im trying to say it. If not let me know I will try to say it better.
But if a sysop/co-sysops play in a game it should do duely marked on there website, forum, and maybe even there startup page. And then anyone coming into the game knows that the sysops/co-sysops are playing in the game and you play if you want to but if you have aproblem with it than dont. Again please nobody take this the wrong way. So All in all just probably not a good idea unless duely marked like I said. But even then people might still look at it badly.

Well hopefully this post does keep things going that have been going on here. And I have read pages 2 and 3 here so I know whats has been going on here. So hopefully no one thinks Im just jumping in without knowing whats going on I did read all these posts and I think I will read page 1 as well. But amyways, I dont want to start anything new here or carry anything on I just wanted to put out my opinion like others have.

Wow now I have written a book. Sorry for the long post just a lot being talked about. And remember plz, I am NOT saying anyone should do what I say, its just how I see it now and an opinion. And if I have offended anyone plz talk to me and we will sort it out. It will be easier to change then if posted because then things like that usually get dragged on. Ok Im done. I was going to end this post a paragraph or two ago lol.

And I do have my own server if anyone is interested its Exileshaventw addy is: 70.66.224.143 port 23

shaka


I agree that I could have t-edited a corp password and maybe this would not have gotten this far. I chose to stick by my rules and not use T-edit. My server was not at our location at that point, and many players knew that, so that point is redundant. I have had a chance to solve the issue with my cosysop and you ExVex. I could have been more clear to you as to his roles. So that is dealt with. As far as megacorping, how can one megacorp when most of my team are never around much? I mean Scan is hardly on, neither was Mobymule. So I had my son and my wife playing. Plus I never took my scores into consideration. I was the goal to beat by some players. I never saw any harm in it. However, I know I responded due to information given to me. Bits and pieces only, but I know it could have been handled differently. My apologies for that.

As far as you not playing, both you or Alt, that's okay with me. I have no issues with that. It's your choice. Yes I removed a forum post because we were leaving for holidays and I felt it was leading into a wrong direction. Again my error. I thought it would diffuse the situation from getting any worse. Again my apologies. I could have let you two debate it longer. however some new players were getting mixed messages and all I was trying to keep everyone neutral and happy.

However, I felt I should have had the "chance" to deal with the problem, especially me gone on holidays and I get back and there is an email about my cosysop and a player locking horns, and then I hear it's spread to EIS. I would not need to come here to vent about a SysOp. I'd go to the source. You say I could have handled it differently, well I agree I could have. But it goes both ways.

This will be my last response to this thread. You made your feelings known, we know where we stand, and we will continue to survive. Thanks for your insight and suggestions.

quote:Originally posted by Void

Hey, remember me? I am the guy that started this whole mess in the first place. Yes, it was my idea first to ask you Thrawn for the PW to be changed or to make the CEO someone else. Gen. Griev was taking everyhting from us, sure I know that you had to deal with the same thing before, but oh well, you could have still helped us out anyway, been the better SysOp and "bent" your t-edit rules to help us out. Then you say you cant cuz itl break the rules, then we get upset with ya, then you go off threatening to remove us, you dont, you "let us off, " then the bashing continues while I have to placate Gen.Griev, in fact i even join a corp with him to keep him at bay by playing the guise of helping him while we wait for our AFK CEO to dissappear and get our pw back. But no, it goes further, we have to make a whole new corp, and i am stuck by myself with the same guy that screwed us over in the first place. You could have helped us, and i know that it may have gone against your ehtics etc, and of course... its your server, you can do anyhting you want, why couldnt you WANT to help us? This whole thing could have been aVOIDed in the first place. But no, you stuck with yer guns (VERY respectable and honorable) but look what it gave birth to... As a result, I dont know who reacted worse... was it us being dissappointed with you not changing the ceo, or was it you exploding, making threats to remove us from existence... sure i know ya didnt, but the bullets of those words still fly, which is why I am making this post. Just a simple CEO change... thats all, but no.... the path of chaos was chosen... for some reason... it always is.

Void Where Prohibited

After feeling like being prohibited from Outpost, I left, not becuase i dont like you Thrawn, heck I think your cool, but the situation is too nauseating for any human being to handle, so i left. Furthermore, as far as the Dysan situation, It dont really matter since he has no t-edit powers, but what about the deletion of posts? From where I stand he could have just said "Its my forum, I can do what I want!" What a great person to have as your associate, censorship, even in its smallest forms is very demeaning, I hope he understands that.

Thank you for your time... I shall return to the VOID.


Void if this is true then the sysop should have bent the rule on this case, I would have and not thought about it, if the corp forgot the pass and the CEO was out of commission then I can see where that would come in. But I would at least let the other players know the situation and why I was doing it and give them a little say so. I won't leave anyone in the dark and make sure that the majority are okay with the decision to help.

quote:shaka Posted - 09/01/2005 : 9:54:34 PM
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Wow people this is all crazy.
I just want to say that the pass word thing TO ME is fine. Thrawn didnt have to really, which he didnt, and its up to him if he was going to do it or not. Thrawn I see what you were saying in that a corp member took your stuff and you had to start over, and in a sense here so did we. Now, I realize that we said things differently back then when it happened and now Im saying something else but that's because I have had time to think about it plus reading all these posts. They have made me see some things. One more thing about the pass word thing. Yes IF thrawn changed it everything would've been fine and then what ever right? well he didnt and that was fine because like I thrawn said he was in a simular situation.



I had a similar thing to happen to me too, I got over it and opened a can of whoop a** ( asterisks are intentional). But if it was an honest intention to keep the corp alive with a missing in action CEO then I can see their point,and I am a sysop as well, I can see both sides and can understand the sysops position, but this is what I would have done. I would have let the other players and corps know the situation and let them have a say on it too, if it was okay with the majority then help the corp in need. Its that simple, and no one is doing anything sneaky! But thats just me and it may be why my players keep coming back cause I can look at it from both sides and not keep all in the dark and let them know what is happening and why.! It's just a thought guys, and helps end he bickering, but if it is not cool with the others then I can see the sysops side. This is a double edge razor, you get cut both ways, I sympathize with both sides. But would help in that situation after letting all know the situation. Just my .02 on it.

Thrawn since you said this is your last post on this thread that's cool just wanted to say something. You dont have to reply unless you think you have to.
Just to make sure that this is not getting confused. I wasnt saying that you should've changed to pass just that IF it were things would've probably been different. That's all. I am fine with your decision to not do it. And its always good to follow your own rules like you did.
Also I havent been around and it may look like Im not playing on your server. Well,.... I've been busy, as a lot of people are Im sure. I have a TW server like I said in my last post, also work which racks up usually at least 90 hours every 2 weeks, and I play in a lot games on different servers. I must have like 5 or 6 games going now on different servers. So I havent withdrawn myself from renegades just havent had much time to do much, plus family and other things.
And yes we all could handle things differently. We are all human, we all make mistakes but hopefully we all learn from them. And it does go both ways for sure.

Hey vulcan the old CEO had to do some DUI stuff, so he kinda went MIA for a while probably because of that and then he didnt play probably because he had to do stuff because of it. So Im sure he didnt mean to.
And I can see what you are saying about the way you said that you would handle it. And that's cool.

If you play in your own games you will always have people thinking that you are cheating, thats the way it is. If you win there will always be a question of t-edit ect. There are honest sysops out there, but the ones that do cheat ruin it for the honorable ones and leave that doubt.
There are so many games and servers out there to play on, why would you leave yourself open for the debate? Im not a sysop but if I where I would not even risk it, to me its just not worth it. My 2 cents worth I felt like spending.

Hey guys, it seems judging by some of my friends reaction that i could have handled this situation alot differently. Leave it to shaka to talk me down from the ledge, heh. First of, I think some signals got mixed up involving this thread. I never meant to accuse the admins at Outpost of cheating. The only thing they ever edited of mine was a few posts that showed the sysops in a unfavorable light. And i have a serious personal problem with Dysan, which i will get over by ignoring him. I feel that some favortism goes on, but im sure that thats my problem, not everyone elses. I never meant for things to get so bad here, its just that when i feel like im the brunt of an injustice, i tend to go hulk on everyone. My bad, i should take my own advice and realize its just a freakin game. There are more important things in life than bi%ching over a game, and considering whats going on in the south, it makes me ashamed of myself for raising all this hell when ppl are dieing and starving. For all ppl reading, go to outpost and play, its a great place to learn and converse. I will play elsewhere, but thats more my issue than anyone elses.