Sorry to keep this post running about Sysop's and Co-Sysops playing on their on board but somethings need to be put into perspective. This server is taking what appears to be a big bashing without mentioning who it is well here it is. The board is called Outpost-4 telnet to outpost-4.dyndns.org port 2002. We are very open and welcome all. We also post that the Sysop and Co-Sysops play in the games. We also have our own set of forums located at http://www.outpost-4.com I am including some excerpts from the board and game you keep mentioning.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:00 am
What the?????? Is all I can say , I may want to say alot more but I will refrain for the sake of tact and good taste. But was it neccery to blow up at "Player 1" for asking to help us out? I know that he cussed at you after in response and agree that should not be happening. But you as a sysop ........should be willing to give a civil yes or no. I am tossed betwen dropping this board period or cbying , this is getting pathetic..............sigh.....this really p**s's me off. Too much drama for this simple ole Canadian to handle.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:18 am
"The rules CLEARLY state T-edit is for setting up the game only. That's it.

I just got in the door when I was bombarded. It was "Player 1" that fired the first shot, not me. As soon as I left the conversation it was the "our corp is getting the crap end of the stick". And then I'm told that if it was an ally I'd do it.

I'm tired of the comments, I'm tired of the double standards. Let me say this one final time. If you do not like it, leave my site. If you want to bad mouth me instead of talking to me directly, leave my site. Just because I do not jump at your beck and call, does not give you or anyone the right to slam me.

Let me ALSO remind you of the one Renegades game where a player joined my Corp, and then he took EVERYTHING. So I had to start all over. I could have used t-edit, but I did not. I STUCK by the rules. So now because of an internal issue you want to vent on me. Fine.

I do and was simpathizing with your team, but was unable to do anything. It was Matt that sent me an e-mail apologizing, but here YOU are trying to make the wound bigger, keep it fresh in everyone's mind. You post that your team is doing things without your knowledge, then come here to bash me. You dare to tell me I have an identity crisis? You threaten me to leave? You say that I was not being civil? Fine. Take all your group and leave.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:44 am
You know you remind me of a Romulan. In Thrawn's face you tell him to be a player and you like his board, then behind his back you bash him. Read Void's post first, mate!!!! Matthew fired the first shot, AND apologized!!!! But not good enough for you. You have to come on board here and start bashing. Take your crap and threats and leave. Go post your verbal crap somewhere else. This board has had a few issues, and they usually get resovlved, but you my friend have pushed it to the last straw. So go. Post away, bash this site and our SysOp some more. This is his site, we are his guests. He did not say he would not do it. It was a timing issue.

"I'll refrain for the sake of tact...." blah blah blah. You opened your mouth too far lad. Now you can reap what you sow. Me? I'd knock you on your Butt for saying that to me. Hmmm, there was NO refraining there... No mistake, lad. You want to push it some more? Sheesh, nice meeting you. See you in the next flame post.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:12 am
I know I'm really impressed.....not.

Slamming the SysOp, on HIS own board.... you're either brave or stupid. Oh, right, you're from Canada. Ok so there's one bad apple in the bunch.

Know what "Sysop" I apoligize for my last post , but i am seriously sick gosh darn tired of either my corp ignoring my advice for tactical issues , or people getting there panties in a knot over a game. My work and raising a child and a possiblilty of second child on the way has enuff stress for me. I don't want to play a game the introduces even more of it. And if i seem to have a double standard or insult some of you guys , I apoligize and hope you forgive me , I am human , I tend to screw up ....alot.

So this all started because the CEO of said corp goes MIA and one of his corpies starts taking everything as his. Another corpie then asks for the Sysop to intervene. While knowing fully that the Sysop is playing in the game.

This board has been around for almost two years and this is the first time we have ever had someone accuse the Sysop or Co-Sysop of cheating.I think he is still grinding the axe because we would not help him out.

ScanMan, Co-Sysop Outpost-4

quote:Originally posted by ScanMan

Sorry to keep this post running about Sysop's and Co-Sysops playing on their on board but somethings need to be put into perspective. This server is taking what appears to be a big bashing without mentioning who it is well here it is. The board is called Outpost-4 telnet to outpost-4.dyndns.org port 2002. We are very open and welcome all. We also post that the Sysop and Co-Sysops play in the games. We also have our own set of forums located at http://www.outpost-4.com I am including some excerpts from the board and game you keep mentioning.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 12:00 am
What the?????? Is all I can say , I may want to say alot more but I will refrain for the sake of tact and good taste. But was it neccery to blow up at "Player 1" for asking to help us out? I know that he cussed at you after in response and agree that should not be happening. But you as a sysop ........should be willing to give a civil yes or no. I am tossed betwen dropping this board period or cbying , this is getting pathetic..............sigh.....this really p**s's me off. Too much drama for this simple ole Canadian to handle.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:18 am
"The rules CLEARLY state T-edit is for setting up the game only. That's it.

I just got in the door when I was bombarded. It was "Player 1" that fired the first shot, not me. As soon as I left the conversation it was the "our corp is getting the crap end of the stick". And then I'm told that if it was an ally I'd do it.

I'm tired of the comments, I'm tired of the double standards. Let me say this one final time. If you do not like it, leave my site. If you want to bad mouth me instead of talking to me directly, leave my site. Just because I do not jump at your beck and call, does not give you or anyone the right to slam me.

Let me ALSO remind you of the one Renegades game where a player joined my Corp, and then he took EVERYTHING. So I had to start all over. I could have used t-edit, but I did not. I STUCK by the rules. So now because of an internal issue you want to vent on me. Fine.

I do and was simpathizing with your team, but was unable to do anything. It was Matt that sent me an e-mail apologizing, but here YOU are trying to make the wound bigger, keep it fresh in everyone's mind. You post that your team is doing things without your knowledge, then come here to bash me. You dare to tell me I have an identity crisis? You threaten me to leave? You say that I was not being civil? Fine. Take all your group and leave.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 5:44 am
You know you remind me of a Romulan. In Thrawn's face you tell him to be a player and you like his board, then behind his back you bash him. Read Void's post first, mate!!!! Matthew fired the first shot, AND apologized!!!! But not good enough for you. You have to come on board here and start bashing. Take your crap and threats and leave. Go post your verbal crap somewhere else. This board has had a few issues, and they usually get resovlved, but you my friend have pushed it to the last straw. So go. Post away, bash this site and our SysOp some more. This is his site, we are his guests. He did not say he would not do it. It was a timing issue.

"I'll refrain for the sake of tact...." blah blah blah. You opened your mouth too far lad. Now you can reap what you sow. Me? I'd knock you on your Butt for saying that to me. Hmmm, there was NO refraining there... No mistake, lad. You want to push it some more? Sheesh, nice meeting you. See you in the next flame post.

Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 6:12 am
I know I'm really impressed.....not.

Slamming the SysOp, on HIS own board.... you're either brave or stupid. Oh, right, you're from Canada. Ok so there's one bad apple in the bunch.

Know what "Sysop" I apoligize for my last post , but i am seriously sick gosh darn tired of either my corp ignoring my advice for tactical issues , or people getting there panties in a knot over a game. My work and raising a child and a possiblilty of second child on the way has enuff stress for me. I don't want to play a game the introduces even more of it. And if i seem to have a double standard or insult some of you guys , I apoligize and hope you forgive me , I am human , I tend to screw up ....alot.
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So this all started because the CEO of said corp goes MIA and one of his corpies starts taking everything as his. Another corpie then asks for the Sysop to intervene. While knowing fully that the Sysop is playing in the game.

This board has been around for almost two years and this is the first time we have ever had someone accuse the Sysop or Co-Sysop of cheating.I think he is still grinding the axe because we would not help him out.

ScanMan, Co-Sysop Outpost-4


This almost is turning into a SysOp nightmare.

I remember when we ran BBS boards and we played tradewars. Never had these issues in the BBS days. Now they are becoming frequent.

Yes, it is true that I play on my server. As my CoSysop Scanman pointed out I had lost everything to a player. He came in and took all our assets and I had to start from scratch. Never even considered t-edit. I know from both experience and age that it's an enjoyable game I really like playing, always will. I also know that cheating will result in losing all my players.

So now the board name is out, and I am the SysOp in question. I play in the games to get a feel of the game as well as help out players when needed. I've been attacked, and attack players. I have been reminded by players to keep a good balance as a player and a SysOp, and I have tried my best to follow their advice. Yes some players vent on me, and a few issues have cropped up. I've tried to be diplomatic in resolving these issues. There are some facts though that seem to have been missed.

1. The one player who is listed or was listed as a cosysop is a cosysop to our forum board, not the TWGS. He holds no powers, and only assists when I need someone to help due to a busy schedule. He has never to my knowledge suggested he held any powers to ban or access the twgs.

2. Yes, I have played a game where my friends played too, as well as my son and wife, who are new players. So what is the harm in that? We never bullied anyone. I only have stepped in when a war broke out and bashing took place. I've vented too, and always took a step back and then fixed my mistakes.

3. I don't understand why one needs to post this on some other site. Is it to discredit all our hard work?

4. There was an instance where a player took control of a corp and their assets and I was asked to t-edit the corp. I stuck by my own rules and did NOT do anything. We felt it was an internal issue that the team had to fix. It was not my fault, and if I had, then I would face the accusation of t-editing and cheating.

5. There are players that attack others for the sake of "being bored". Then when they get hit, they complain and get upset.

I own this server, and the registration code. I can't imagine not playing a game I registered. However, I do recognize the comments about the posibilities of cheating, and withdrew myself, my wife, and my son from the particular game. Instead, we shall play in our private game. Then players can play and not worry about the SysOp.

I intend to continue keeping this board. I'm sorry that some players have had issues with my other cosysop, but they should recognize that contacting me first to try and solve an issue before posting on some other forum is not a fair chance to make a site better. For the record, when we post the game winning goals, my scores never count in the open games. If I am at the bottom, then I'm at the bottom. If I'm third, so what. I never include myself as a winner, just a SysOp that enjoys a great game and likes to meet people and chat about this game and create new ideas.

So with that said, and as the owner and SysOp of Outpost-4, we will remain as we always have, going into our 4rth year now. I choose to step back and let the players sort out their issues. Now only Scan and I will remain as the SysOps only, and that will make things easier. Choose to play here, or don't that's okay with me. I know some players have their own server now, and I would hope they have a good success as we all have. In the meantime, I stand and face the comments and the posts with pride, knowing I never have cheated, and I will remain on my own board. I will play in a private game, but will not bow to pressure or comments. However, I too make my mistakes, and I hope that I can be not just a good player but a good SysOp. I've said stupid things that I am sorry for, and hope no grudges will continue to mount more negative posts.

Thanks for allowing me to give a SysOp's view of the situation.

Thrawn, SysOp Outpost-4 TradeWars

I am a sysop myself, don't read too much into the thread, it is for in general the concinsus of how players feel about sysops in games, and not a personal thing, there are good servers where sysops play in the games on their servers. And there are bad servers where sysops play the games. Unless your server is outright named at the bad server for the offense of T-Editing, don't worry about it. I choose not to play on my server to reduce the conflict.

quote:Originally posted by Vulcan

I am a sysop myself, don't read too much into the thread, it is for in general the concinsus of how players feel about sysops in games, and not a personal thing, there are good servers where sysops play in the games on their servers. And there are bad servers where sysops play the games. Unless your server is outright named at the bad server for the offense of T-Editing, don't worry about it. I choose not to play on my server to reduce the conflict.


I appreciate that Vulcan. I feel sorry for the player I appointed as CoSysop. With my busy schedule, he volunteered to take some of my pressures, and I think it was a bad move on my part to place him in that spot. It's hard to be a player and a SysOp, as now it has been made clear on how players really feel. I am disappointed with the double comments. You're told it's a great site, then your bashed because an issue comes up, and then the "SysOp is playing.." comes up and that is apparantly a sin. And I find it even more disturbing to receive an email on an issue and not have the chance to find out all the facts, only to hear a negative post about our site is made.

But I've fixed the problem. I withdrew to a private game, and I'll let the players play their game. I hope the rest will sort their issues, and learn to see that us SysOp's are only providing a place to play and have fun. It's only a game.

I guess now I know where I stand.

quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady

heh, i *think* i may already be banned from that one...
i don't recall, might have been just a choice to avoid it..
either way, ya, it's a ghetto board.


If it was our board, not one person has been banned. If you are referring to our board as a "ghetto board", perhaps you have ideas to suggest so I can make it better. I'm always open to suggestions.

Were to begin with this mess i dont know. First and foremost, your board address was never mentioned here, and was never going to be Thrawn, but you did that yourself, dont hold me responsible for it. And the whole "Tedit" issue ppl, was in fact a request to change a password, nothing more. A lot of these su****ions about you and your friends playing in a game are not unjust. Hell, i joined the game in question, killed Lawhar and I had 3, yes 3, corps out to kill me. You sure played it right there, a sysop engaging in megacorping. Secondly your "co-sysop" Dysan is a moron and a childish bafoon. He was running a fedcom response script and i let you know about it, but no worries, ill never inform you of anything again. My suggestion for you is to leave the comforts of your own board and learn what most boards are like. Not many boards out there run games for months and months on end and have edits that make invasion impossible. What do you expect man? The only thing people can do beside fly around and colo is to complain about everything. And as for you never banning anyone, i take issue. You've banned my entire corp due to the fact that you didnt like our gameplay, only to turn around and change your mind later. O well, like you said its your board, run it however you'd like, even if its totally wrong and biased towards your friends....[:(!]

As for the ban thing, you made this post on your own forum. Here is a excerpt.

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I do and was simpathizing with your team, but was unable to do anything. It was Matt that sent me an e-mail apologizing, but here YOU are trying to make the wound bigger, keep it fresh in everyone's mind. You post that your team is doing things without your knowledge, then come here to bash me. You dare to tell me I have an identity crisis? You threaten me to leave? You say that I was not being civil? Fine. Take all your group and leave.

This board will remain here, despite your rantings and threats. This was the last straw. As of 5pm today I will remove your corporation accounts, and ban your IP's. This will help MAKE your decision a simple one.

Until then I have deactivated the game B Renegades. What? Of course I can. I am the SysOp and OWN the server. I apologize to those that were playing this game. I'm not too sure whether I will be rebanging or reactivating it.

Scanman, for your information, this whole thread started when i made a reply to Dysan on your forum, then i turn around and find it deleted (even though it contained no obscene language or inappropriate material). It had nothing to do with the old situation with General Griev. If you logged on more than 1 time a year you might know that. It also came about because a player asked me why i didnt play on my own board, and i wanted some other ppls opinion. I dont even know who you are, but you do seem to pop up from time to time to give your unwanted opinion.

quote:Originally posted by ExVex

Were to begin with this mess i dont know. First and foremost, your board address was never mentioned here, and was never going to be Thrawn, but you did that yourself, dont hold me responsible for it. And the whole "Tedit" issue ppl, was in fact a request to change a password, nothing more. A lot of these su****ions about you and your friends playing in a game are not unjust. Hell, i joined the game in question, killed Lawhar and I had 3, yes 3, corps out to kill me. You sure played it right there, a sysop engaging in megacorping. Secondly your "co-sysop" Dysan is a moron and a childish bafoon. He was running a fedcom response script and i let you know about it, but no worries, ill never inform you of anything again. My suggestion for you is to leave the comforts of your own board and learn what most boards are like. Not many boards out there run games for months and months on end and have edits that make invasion impossible. What do you expect man? The only thing people can do beside fly around and colo is to complain about everything. And as for you never banning anyone, i take issue. You've banned my entire corp due to the fact that you didnt like our gameplay, only to turn around and change your mind later. O well, like you said its your board, run it however you'd like, even if its totally wrong and biased towards your friends....[:(!]


Hey ExVex, get your facts straight. You're corp were not banned. Your team blasted me for not t-editing a game where your corp member was not around. I STUCK by the rules and did not use t-edit, and your team blasted me for something that was their issue, not mine. Yes I said if your team continued to blast me then I'd ban them, and instead I shut the game down for a day instead. And most players know these facts Ex, so there's no other explanations.

You know, I thought these issues were resolved, but I can see you and your team are still the same. You need to rub the wounds when they heal, because you need it to be fresh in all our minds. I've already tried to fix the problem, and you notified me only after posting here to drag this on. So tell you what. Since my board is not to your liking, then that is fine. Wish to drag my name around in the mud, no problem. I'm not worried. Keep grinding your axe.

quote:Originally posted by ExVex

Scanman, for your information, this whole thread started when i made a reply to Dysan on your forum, then i turn around and find it deleted (even though it contained no obscene language or inappropriate material). It had nothing to do with the old situation with General Griev. If you logged on more than 1 time a year you might know that. It also came about because a player asked me why i didnt play on my own board, and i wanted some other ppls opinion. I dont even know who you are, but you do seem to pop up from time to time to give your unwanted opinion.


He is the other owner of Outpost-4, ExVex. Suggestion, read the site and know the people before you insult them. He is always around, you just never know it.

And as far as the post, Scanman knew nothing of it being deleted. I did. I already told you I was sorry for not telling you about it. I did not want to get others dragged into some stupid conflict.

You know Ex, you're right. There were mistakes made. You gave us our warning. I see it clearly now. Thanks for your help

quote:Originally posted by ExVex

As for the ban thing, you made this post on your own forum. Here is a excerpt.

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I do and was simpathizing with your team, but was unable to do anything. It was Matt that sent me an e-mail apologizing, but here YOU are trying to make the wound bigger, keep it fresh in everyone's mind. You post that your team is doing things without your knowledge, then come here to bash me. You dare to tell me I have an identity crisis? You threaten me to leave? You say that I was not being civil? Fine. Take all your group and leave.

This board will remain here, despite your rantings and threats. This was the last straw. As of 5pm today I will remove your corporation accounts, and ban your IP's. This will help MAKE your decision a simple one.

Until then I have deactivated the game B Renegades. What? Of course I can. I am the SysOp and OWN the server. I apologize to those that were playing this game. I'm not too sure whether I will be rebanging or reactivating it.



This is not the whole truth Ex. Come on, you yourself told me that your team had no right to put me in the spot they did. We ironed this out, and now you bring it up later against me again. All because I would not take to the bashing or pushing on my own site. Your team have done this to others, as I pointed out. You and I conversed over email/MSN to sort it all out, and I let cooler heads prevail and did not ban anyone in the end.

You only quoted an excerpt between me and one person, not the whole issue. I thought the issue here was me playing on my own board. Now you're bringing up past that was resolved, and you insult my other SysOp.

I see the rules now... Thank you.

Hey Ex you might be right you don't see me much as I have and will continue to take a bigger part behind the scenes. I do play also in the game but you are so wrapped up in your own little world and I do mean little world that you do not even notice the rest of us here. The game has 18 players in it and you seem to single out one or two people. You must be flying around with blinders on. Fortunately people like you come and go, so just go. So that the rest of us true tradewarriors can get back to what has been one of the greatest text base games to be conceived.

Thrawn , you quoted a few of my notorius posts, but you may have used atleast one out of context, as Matt has said we where wondering if you could change a password for our corp as the ceo was permantly afk and did not remeber the corp pass.We asked nicely and then you fly off the handle and trash talk over fed com.My post was simply in response to that , we where not asking for anything more or less , a simply yes or a no would suffice.And as for our playing style , the game we were playing was advertised as a open combat game , therefore p-droping players and blokading the fed space was to be expected.I have played in games were colonizing and trading was the only thing you would do.I enjoy tradehugs style of tradewars , but the game desciption was clear.So the grievious issue is dead and mute , he read the rules and understood them yet chose to play in a cut throat game.It's like sticking your hand into a meat grinder , and then wondering why your hand is mince meat.

I have removed myself from this server as i am sick of this drama and megacorping and useless twisting of posts , i am unaware of what is happening betwen dysan , Exvex or even the sysops of outpost , but it sounds like the same **** , jus differant pile.

Hey, remember me? I am the guy that started this whole mess in the first place. Yes, it was my idea first to ask you Thrawn for the PW to be changed or to make the CEO someone else. Gen. Griev was taking everyhting from us, sure I know that you had to deal with the same thing before, but oh well, you could have still helped us out anyway, been the better SysOp and "bent" your t-edit rules to help us out. Then you say you cant cuz itl break the rules, then we get upset with ya, then you go off threatening to remove us, you dont, you "let us off, " then the bashing continues while I have to placate Gen.Griev, in fact i even join a corp with him to keep him at bay by playing the guise of helping him while we wait for our AFK CEO to dissappear and get our pw back. But no, it goes further, we have to make a whole new corp, and i am stuck by myself with the same guy that screwed us over in the first place. You could have helped us, and i know that it may have gone against your ehtics etc, and of course... its your server, you can do anyhting you want, why couldnt you WANT to help us? This whole thing could have been aVOIDed in the first place. But no, you stuck with yer guns (VERY respectable and honorable) but look what it gave birth to... As a result, I dont know who reacted worse... was it us being dissappointed with you not changing the ceo, or was it you exploding, making threats to remove us from existence... sure i know ya didnt, but the bullets of those words still fly, which is why I am making this post. Just a simple CEO change... thats all, but no.... the path of chaos was chosen... for some reason... it always is.

Void Where Prohibited

After feeling like being prohibited from Outpost, I left, not becuase i dont like you Thrawn, heck I think your cool, but the situation is too nauseating for any human being to handle, so i left. Furthermore, as far as the Dysan situation, It dont really matter since he has no t-edit powers, but what about the deletion of posts? From where I stand he could have just said "Its my forum, I can do what I want!" What a great person to have as your associate, censorship, even in its smallest forms is very demeaning, I hope he understands that.

Thank you for your time... I shall return to the VOID.

God, you guys just dont when to give it up. You keep poking the dog and expect it not to bite. First off, ScanMan was the one the brought up the whole tedit issue again, saying i still had an axe to grind. This was never about that, but its nothing new for you and yours to twist things into your perspetive to achieve your goals. Like i said b4, unfair and biased for your friends. And secondly, ScanMan, you are not a quote "tradewarrior". It sounds like you have a complex to me. Thrawn, you play the beaten kitten role very well, trying to get everyone to have sympathy for you. Sure, me and my corpies love to talk trash, but if you left the confines of your little board, you'd see that we are tame by most standards in that regard. And scanman, for you to say "my little world" makes me wanna puke in your shoe, ive never even seen you outside of your own server, and i play on quite a few. You say that my last post about banning was "out of context". Well, most of the problems and reactions ive made were based and triggered by your actions thrawn. You lie your Butt off and say that not even you have access to the server thru remote, and if thats true, well its better if i dont play there cuz its obvious you have no control over your own board.

Now, for all you readers that arent involved in this mess let me clarify some of the reasons i even waste the time to write about these jokers. I was brought into the game several months ago, as a muscle so to speak. The corp i joined up with had mad resources. I read the game classification as "open combat" and i thought ok, its open season, lets get ta killin or be killed. I killed and thrawn went ballistic, calling in three different corps and declaring a "war" on me. Then they all backed off, flip flopping so to speak, which i have noticed happens with this board and its admin alot. Then later on i find out that a dfunkt corp member is stealing planets all the while our CEO is MIA. I contact thrawn and ask him to change the pass of the corp. He says "I have no access to the server what so ever". This is why i got mad. He lied because he doesnt like our corp or me. If he says different he is lieing. He thinks i got mad cuz he wouldnt change the pass. Well, after i cooled off i said fine, and dropped corp and made a new one, saving most of our resources but lossing our entire grid. Lesson learned. No problem. Alt-F4 didnt know and posted on Outpost forum and gives thrawn the what for. THIS WAS MY FAULT as i didnt communicate with him and he was flying blind. In response to this, he removed himself from the game. This doesnt seem to be good enough for you guys cuz you still bash him and me and the whole episode. You need to let it die and quit using it everytime you get caught with your hand in the cookie jar. Listen folks, if you dont take my word for it, listen to Slim, he said it best and im sure most of the ppl here respect his opinion. Thrawn, you continue to disappoint me with the way you handle these situations. Maybe now that youve left your games you will start to see things in a bigger perspective. Having favorites clouds your judgment man, you will learn. I hope to see you around, so i can fire a photon right up your kazoo. And scanman, if your such a bad butt player, name the place and time, ill be there. Dont sing it, bring it chump. L8r folks, my fingers hurt [V]