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On my server If I find a player/corp alien farming, the planet is upgraded to level 5 cit, full shields, mega figs and owned by the aliens. If you want it back you will have to work for it.

This is CHEATING by the sysop as he should be the only one with tedit access. This is FAR worse IMHO than any "bug" use used by the players.
A sysop has almost unlimited power to make "changes" to the game after it has started while us players have no such advantage. If we start getting too big for our britches and the sysop decides that we shouldn't be that big what is stopping him from "editing" the game?
IMHO ANY sysop that actually plays in his/her games is a cheater. He/She can change any setting as they see fit even hiding the evidence from the logs.

Bethel I am impressed that you want to police your server, but changing things midstride is going overboard. What is next? Corp 1 is running over Corp 2 and you want a building game so you use your Tedit powers to "help" Corp 2? or do you use your compassion to wait till the game is over?

We as players don't know what road you are going to take unless you have a reputation that you only do it the "correct" way.

Yes the correct way is interpreted differently but You are the only one that has to look in the mirror the next morning, and if you tedited a game in progress you should feel shame.

I don't care if they were using what "you" consider bugs but once a game starts it should be finished/deadlocked with the same settings that you set up. And if you can't resist the temptation to "fix" it YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING A SYSOP.

People will chime in saying but it is unfair and they don't like it; so fix it. Fix it by banning the people using the exploit you don't agree with Next game. Do not take the "dark" side and fix "your" mistakes because you were too stupid to fix that potentional problem when you banged a game.
If you need a list of honorable sysops I am sure you can get a great list starting a thread titled "What can I do to make my server the best?" And listing them as to who responds. I don't want to offend anyone but there are servers that sysop has nuts and will not under circumstance edit an active game. So grow some nuts and resist the temptation to change an active game.

My opinion means as much as an onion in a cornfield but I do believe I have brought up a potentiential problem with having ID Ten T's being sysops of servers.

i say it is an unlim bug because they can have their door sector go from 60k ore to 60m ore in an unlim.
in a turn game, more often then not there aren't enough turns to snag that much ore, and also, there aren't horrid edits that allow such ridiculous amounts of product.
and yes, JP has admitted it is a bug. send him an email.
he has also admitted he is not going to fix it.
i believe vader said it best
quote:I know a better way around it. DON'T FRICKIN RUN GAMES WITH GOLD ALIENS.
gold aliens are lame.
people who need to circumvent game mechanics to win are lame.

animal:
quote:A long time ago it wasn't ever thought to be a bug, just in the last couple of years by newbs that didn't know how it was done so it had to be a bug.

ok, so if i find a bug and expliot the hell out of it but don't tell anyone... i become an elite? and if anyone complains, they are newbs?
you must be a wrestling fan. if the ref doesn't see it, it doesn't count, and the fans that do see it and boo... well they are just idiots.

Wow this makes a lot of sense. If it is an unlimited bug then why is it also used in a turn game?
If you actually read my post you would see that i said in at least 2 of them if people don't like it don't play in a game with aliens.


[quote]Originally posted by Slim Shady

i say it is an unlim bug because they can have their door sector go from 60k ore to 60m ore in an unlim.

yes slim i admit in low turn games i dont see it as much.
but i see it in 4000+ turn games alot. and thank you for
Backing me up that JP sez its a BUG! and i know JP hes got
alot on his plate trying to get V4 twgs done and out, and
has no time and intrest in fixing this BUG and others. you
never know he just might fool us and do it?[:D]

quote: Wow this makes a lot of sense. If it is an unlimited bug then why is it also used in a turn game?
If you actually read my post you would see that i said in at least 2 of them if people don't like it don't play in a game with aliens.
well, if you read my last post that will answer your first question.
and if you read my last post on the other thread you will see i 100% agree that if people don't like people using bugs, they shouldn't play in games with aliens.
but it's ok, i don't expect you to actually read.

Edit: fixed a repeated sentance

Ok. Just to clarify for the sake of clarifying. When i made my original reply to Silence about Megacorping, i was thinking along the lines of two corps making a "pact" to destroy 1 other. However, in this i didnt not mean sharing resources or info. Is this still wrong? I've had it happen to me on several occasions, so im wondering if that would be cheating?

Thats where the war part comes in.

I'm with maniac on this. I don't think sysops should be changing things once a game starts.

maggie

quote:Originally posted by ExVex

Ok. Just to clarify for the sake of clarifying. When i made my original reply to Silence about Megacorping, i was thinking along the lines of two corps making a "pact" to destroy 1 other. However, in this i didnt not mean sharing resources or info. Is this still wrong? I've had it happen to me on several occasions, so im wondering if that would be cheating?


sorry i dont have a black and white answer for you, but in games
where i know for sure players are new,
ill give truce (and not the ones givin me befor)
maybe tell them where Rylos is (so thay can cap aliens)
might lay down personal figs so their corpie can get BLUE
somtimes give them a tow to Stadock, and even drop 500K in the bank.

but this only for players i know are new to game, and need a frienly
hand to get going. a few hints and tips of what I Know.

but as a rule I dont help other corps, in anyway shape or form!
and been on a few corps (called in) i didnt want to be cause of
how their style of play was border line cheating.(IMO)
I guess the best rule of thumb ExVex is dont get involved with
oppisite corp in game. your goal and their goal are already the same.
to get the other team. but as soon as that team is eliminated
the two of you will have to finsh the other off. i guess the best
you can do is, not to do anything?

For me, I don't see anything wrong with coordinating an invasion with other corps. If the corp. or player being invaded can't withstand the attack they should flee their base(s) to a new sector and go into hiding again. Anyways they should know that their location has been compromised prior to the attack, so if they feel they might loose to any level of an invasion they should quickly relocate.

Though on the other side of the coin if you want to make an invasion and feel you do not have the resources to successfully forge that attack or realize that after actually crunching the arithmatic, you should not be depending on other corps. for you're needed resources; they might as well just proceed with the attack themselves. Also of course you both can plan a timed attack, and again if the corp./player being invaded does not have the sense to flee a loosing battle they deserve to be invaded. Unless of course they are not online or the planets are not yet mobile, but that is a inherent risk to TW anyways.

I've done lots of bad stuff- ask anyone.
I didn't play in this game - so I won't sling accusations
However - my opinion- sharing of assets and information is mega corping. This isn't posted as a rule on some servers... but considered dishonorable among the community.
Take it from me..
Shape it up and try to salvage some dignity from your peers!

You guys keep the photons flying!
oz

quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady

and yes, JP has admitted it is a bug. send him an email.
he has also admitted he is not going to fix it.
i believe vader said it best
quote:I know a better way around it. DON'T FRICKIN RUN GAMES WITH GOLD ALIENS.
gold aliens are lame.
people who need to circumvent game mechanics to win are lame.


Since I am ztming a game, I had time to read this thread. I am very high on sticking to the original intent of the Trade Wars developers. It was their intent that Trade Wars would have aliens that impede early gridding and Ferrengi that would impede early trading. Not playing on boards that have no aliens isn't the intent of any of the designers of the game, past nor present. There is another way to eliminate the bug other than play on boards with no aliens but that is up to the scripters to make: sysop scripts that go into Tedit and skim the excess from the alien planets. To tell you the truth, even before Grimy's crashed, there was no sysop scripts available for ANYTHING. MANY bugs could have been eliminated from previous versions as well as this current one if there had been something like "_ck_alien_farming_eliminator.cts".

Akor You make a good point, I talked to vidkid 3 days ago about that
very script. its still IMO its players that need to play by the sprit
of the game and not use bugs. but i fear there is as many LOW tactic
players as Decent Honest Players.

Im in a game now, a honest mistake was made by sysop. he download
the TWA game, and banged it. now on another server same thing, same
TWA, same download place. now the random seed was not changed.
so both games were identical. SD, Rylos, ECT. this other server and game been going for a week or so, and players have maped it already.
now this game im in, just banged 2 day old. ( i didnt know this)
same group of players from that other server, came into game.
and was doing good, i thought a little too good. to my luck a player
from that other server joined my corp. he was in game 10 minets
when he got on subspace and said, "HAY this game is same as other!"
other what i asked. seem i was told this story how hes in other game, playing agianest this other group, and game are the same.
to the point im trying to make, when asked this other group
said thay were not aware games was the same, and backpeddled.
and thay had the map to game befor thay entered game. the day befor.
I find it hard to belive, this group didnot catch this anomily
all day, where this other player found it in 10 minets.
i didnt think the other group were noobs? hard to belive not one
of the 4 players relized the two (2)Stardocks were the same. and
Rylos and Alpha. after a day of playing! our team got into game
befor them, we had a Good day lead, and was willing to play game out.
but players told sysop and he rebanged. agianst my wish.

Like i said befor some playes will use every bug, every messed up
bang, in every game thay play to win.[B)]

one word. Bad Sprtmenship[V]

heh, oz comes out of left field.
listen to ozzie, he used to worship the devil just so he could kill people in the game.
all those poor sacraficed goats...

I thought it was a bird or a bat that he sacraficed, bit it head off
not a goat. thats gross!