DF raises a great point. This wasn't the first incident of these two corps mega-corping against us in this game. We let it slide the first time, and we really probably shouldn't have.

There are corp limits in the game for a reason. Attempts to bypass them are the same as attempting to bypass any other built in game limit. Endorsing mega-corping is the same as endorsing bug usage.

Thanks Harley

Harley what bugs? Megarobing And Alien Farming? some thing like that?

Rider you are full of S*** you are the one that duped ina death limit game, That game you are refering to you weren't even in, You are the biggest lair in the game. That game was against adomma and there was no death limit and I swapped 4 corpies that weren't playin at all. I had just started playing again and I didn't know anyone, what was I suppose to do? And the pirates game YOU duped in hmm Gemini replace a corpie that didn't play with me because I can play and have alot of key time, Don't you dare accuse me of cheating EVER only because I beat you the last couple game I played against you in gives you no right to accuse me of cheating, But what you and adomma and c2 did was cheating and is complete BS and if you guys didn't want me in the game oh well I have a right to play as do you and people want me to play or else I wouldn't have been there I was asked to play there and I wasn't playing at AB at all I was taking a break from ab for a bit and you were running your mouth about me in a game to friends of mine that I am not even playing and expect me not to be upset?
You are a joke rider and if you don't like oh well but what you did was not acceptable in any terms my corpies didn't deserve to be treated like that we all worked very hard on that game for your little personal chilish vendetta to ruin it for everyone. I would have cby'd before I let you do that to my corpies that didn't deserve it, I am a man of honor more then I can say for you. You are the biggest joke in and outta the game I have ever seen. Please GO AWAY from the game forever you ruin it for alot of people with your childish issues

quote:Originally posted by rider

Yet another example of why people quit this game. Here, this is why I will stop playing this game, a small example of jester's fine gameplay tactics.......

T-Bag posted this universal announcement:
All this to kill me I hear? You *****es still couldn't come get some.. Any game
any time.. Revenge is sweet and believe me reputation means alot too...
T-Bag posted this universal announcement:
which you punks have lost alot on this... Go to hell!
T-Bag self-destructed!

So I suspect this is my last post on EIS, thanks to all the people who bothered to show me where i screwed up, that was always important to me not to repeat mistakes, but i can't play fair when it is ok for jester to cheat in one game and everyone expects me to be an angel when he comes and tries to stomp all over me in a game I truly enjoyed last round. Kav is one of the nicest guys in twars, and adomma one of the better thinkers in the game. Bye jester, enjoy. I will be finishing my current games up and not starting anymore.

Rider


lol dude that’s nothing you should play some of the games I have been in.

yea, Jester can have a foul mouth at times but that still don’t make mega corping right.

OK guys, heres my take, having not been in the game i can not comment on anything specific, but, there have been many cases of 2 corps forming an alliance to deal with another stronger corp, this is for all intents and purposes cheating. If one corp is winning or "supposedly winning" a game, be a real player and admit defeat to a better adversary. Do not go out of your way to reinvent the rules of the game to suit your purpose(s). Do not berate others, someday they WILL come back to haunt your Butt(s). Most of all, if you cant play be the set rules, **** off, leave the game and dont return, for there are enough problems in the game without a bunch of boneheads inventing their own rules for the game. If it is this serious of an issue, have River Rat ban the i.p.(s) of the offending players.
As a matter of fact i would like to here what he has to say on this subject, as im sure he would not be happy to hear that players on his server are circumventing the rules!
That is all

Master

and I know my rant was like one long sentence and I apologize but I have been drinking alittle and me being accused of cheating and all this ruining a game was over me it really upset me.

quote:Originally posted by rider

then start rotating corpies thru like musical chairs in death limit games. I will think you are jester and cby!
Rider


I just wanted to comment on this particular game, yes, we had a player who'd been tagging along with Choas Theory for a bit, but was using a mac, and therefore unable to use TWX, so yes, I swapped him out for Jester because corp wars was coming up, and I wanted to get a look at what he could do. Jester offered to cby to take the ONE pod that Lio had taken that game (because as a useless player, we'd had him on buydowns the entire game). And for anybody that doesn't remembers how that one ended, Rider, Adomma and Corp, kicked Maniac (with 4 pods) off corp, then he came back in under a different name, and rejoined the corp. The Sysop caught them. Rider, Adomma and crew have a history of cheating. When I heard about this new incident, I wasn't suprised because I've seen them cheat in the past. I was however really suprised at some of the other players involved though because I'd played with or against them in the past and I'd always thought of them as solid players that didn't need to cheat to win games. Thank you all, for correcting me.

Lets address a few issues that transpired in the game b on Alienbase. Being a member of corp 2 and on at the time of the invasion/mega corping incident mybe i can clear up what happened. A corp 3 (Slience, Jester, Desert Fox,Acid Reign,flyer,gunslinger) planet was found by us corp 2. we took the ships in sector launched some torps at planet and investigated.. 550k figs on planet with a total fig count in the universe of 1.7 mil hardly a comanding lead that silence would like you to believe. having a little over 500k figs ourselfs it was appartent that a full invasion was not possible. Choices were
1) do nothing
2) invade with what we could blow port hoping corp 1 would see the sector and invade the planet. (this initally was my suggestion howwever i was quickly informed that this was a form of advertizing and frowned upon like megacorping? (that seems bogus to me)
3)tell corp 1 were the planet is hoping they could take it.

we chose option 3.. corp 1 said they were unable to take it having only 700k figs.. so we agreed to take their figs and we started the invasion. (yet again it appears corp 1 had the most figs).. so the plant was invaded and that was the extent of what happened

Now we can talk about megacorping is like duping etc.. first of all megacorping is not illegal at alienbase (according to the rule section) while duping certainly is against the server rules. So since it isnt against the rules the question still comes up is it against the unlying ethics of the tradewars community. Well i think that is a personal feeling mine being that it is pretty low, however this is a game and in a game especially a war PvP game things are part of the game. cheap, dirty, maybe.. but allowable and not bugs we are corporations in the game and just like corporations in the RW deals can be struck and negotiated

Personally Silence (and all of Corp 3) should take this as compliment evidently some of the members of corp 3 (myself included as i was present and didnt cby) and corp 1 felt you to be enough of a threat in your skill or enough hatred in some of your members that they felt it was worth ganging up on you. So you can think of the game as you having the 'best' corp.. however, the best corp doesnt always win.

Personally i had a good game with a number of you and really enjoyed playing against you. Sure megacorping took you out of the game. In the end only 1 corp can win and in a dog eat dog world of tradewars sometiems the powerful corp doesnt always win. I would like to apolgize to all of corp 3 and members of corp 1 that didnt agree with the decisions of their corpies (and traitor of our corp) if we offended you and brought you into this mess. However i think the action was allowable in the scope of the rules in that it improved the status of both of the corps left and since we are trying to win the game this seems like a logical step. This is my second month back after a very very long abscence and i regret that this happened to ruin some peoples fun.

Well anyways now the facts are out there at least. I dont regret my actions and i dont regret doing what i did. I think it is a reasonable strategy in an open game like that.

The Brain

Well first of all I was NOT present in the game, but mega corping while not against the rules is frowned on in general by most of the tw players.
Definition of mega corping: Sharing of INformation and or corp assests with another corp.
but A truce between 2 corps not to invade each other, I'd say no thats not mega.
Someone lending a NEW player cash or ftrs, not mega.
Towing someone to prevent another corp from making a profit off them, again no.
As far a blowing their port in home sector, of course, hurts their cash flow and is a logical move to injure or impeed the enemy.
I've seen turn games where if peeps investigated all the blown ports they waste all their turns if not get #SD#, so personally I don't consider blowing a port as sharing information.
As for the players involed... Rider is my friend and I've played with him numerous times. This is not something he does on a regular basis. Not sure what really happened, but a personal vendetta might have caused it. As far as someone offering info on the enemy u want to take out... that is a hard temtation to resist.
Just my .02

This is the way I saw this game from a tactical standpoint:

We started out behind...were short a corpie and others not playing much. But the game has a turn bank so two things turned in our favor.
1) corp 3 invaded corp 1 and used most of both corp's figs
2) we had a great cashing night and were in the lead by fig count
3) we finally added a corpie and made another's turns more effective

Our biggest disadvantage was that we were behind in getting a L4 planet. Both other corps had just started gridding heavily and I was sweating them finding us before we had L4. You can just imagine my dismay when I logged in and found a total of 757 figs on our planets!!!

There was no explanation from anyone on my corp. I had two short icq's that said that c3 was found and very little more detail. None whatsoever that told me they had used all our figs and most of our cash.

So as I looked at TA and X and G screens counting and not believing my eyes, I checked the dailies. Hm....c2 invasion of c3. Our figs all gone......hm

Aside from anything else, what I saw was that we had been put at a large disadvantage and gotten NOTHING for it. I was told talk to my corpies and that we were offered the planet but refused it and that they were not going to bother our reds that night when they cashed...(as if they had bothered them before then, lol)

So from a tatical stand point, I think the whole thing was just plain stupid on our corp's part.

I guess I need to add to my list of questions that I ask when I'm invited to a game. hmmmm....... Does anyone on our corp have any grudges against anyone in the game that would cause them to throw away everything we have worked for?

maggie

maggie I believe you meant we invaded corp 2, not corp 1

Oh, and Brain... I'm not for a second going to buy into this "skill" argument of yours, stating how we were mega-corped against because some of you were wary of the "skill" possessed by my corp.

This was done as nothing more than a personal attack. It had nothing to do with the actual game that we were playing, but simply happened because Jester, Kav, and Rider all like to run thier mouths, but two of them dont seem to be able to take it when the **** flies back at them.

quote:Originally posted by Silence

DF raises a great point. This wasn't the first incident of these two corps mega-corping against us in this game. We let it slide the first time, and we really probably shouldn't have.




Be so kind as to explain the "first incident".