oh is that what this government likes doing? helping people? yes they really enjoyed helping the people in Rwanda, and how about the Isreali's and Palestinians.. we are all over that

my point we help everyone no one helps us

i just pointed out how we do not help everyone

we do help those countries

BOOM the post goes flame...

Myself, I think that terrorist are fueled by hate, BUT they dont have MISPLACED hate. They have been oppressed, raped, murdered, molested, beaten, destroyed, and America has long stood by and watched this oppression. Isarel for example, decades of oppression...

The hate is there, but their is a reason for it. I just wish we could bring peace to the world, one hand, on mouth, one mind at a time. Their is to much hate, when does it all end?

I know this is a long post, just had a lot to say on the subject; now I come back and find this post has itself turned into a war, LOL. This first post I made did not take, so I had to start all over again, friggin' fraggin'!!

Not to insult anybodies opinions or beliefs, as you are certainly entitled to maintain them, but you do not need to worry as our military forces will never be taken down. As far as being "touched" I did not mean that be taken literally, of course there will be soldiers injured and lives lost on both sides, and these will include civilians, although it is important to keep in mind that the media would love to have most believe that these are all "innocent" lives which have been lost; as this tends to bring up deep emotions from within their viewers, thus increasing their ratings and profitability. Personally for me the statement (most are guilty by association.) by Bethel Hues sums up my own assertions on this subject perfectly, most of these "innocent" civilians are in designated military strike zones for a reason, our military does not act solely and go around on half-***ed spiteful rampages dropping bombs everywhere, our strikes are well throughout, coordinated, and followed-through with.

I myself was forward deployed for 4-years in the USN and I took part in 'Operation Desert Eagle'. I have trained with many other Countries during this time and can tell you from personal experience that our own military, far surpasses the abilities of all other militaries, their own troops openly admit this. Most foreign militaries rely on secondhand equipment that has been passed onto them mainly from the U.S. For example, their fleets consist mostly of mothball quality ships that have been abused and worn from wars past. The most advanced aircraft used by other Countries is the Harrier (Harrier II) and those Countries are our long time allies (if I recollect correctly Britain/UK (the creator of the Harrier), Canada, Italy, and Spain?) The Harrier is considered a light aircraft anyways and is really only famous for its abilities to VSTOL (Vertical and Short Take Off and Landing) combined with is speed and armament capabilities, as compared to the limitations of a helo, (with exception to the Apache and Comanche helicopters.)

Rest assured that our Marines can quash a missile fired from another Country with ease and can command their shores within the time of a stones casting. Our Navy can blockade their ports within a heartbeat. Our Air Force can out power, outgun, outmaneuver, and outperform any pilot that any other Country would dare send into the skies. Our Coast Guard is vigilant, well equipped, and timely in protecting our own boarders and shorelines. Also let us not forget about our own Countries first responders to major catastrophes the National Guard and our Army.

In defense of Smokey, I don't think it has much to do with "being a man", image actually posting a watch in that type of environment for nine grueling months; being "ordered" (realize what this word means to military personnel) you have to take the lives of others, on the premise that it is the only right thing to do. Imagine being told that giving you're life is worth the political agenda of you're Country. You would begin to look at life much more differently then you used to.

As to the terrorism in the U.S. aspect of this, this is more of a localized issue for each individual City and Counties law enforcement to conform to and confront i.e. FBI, CIA, ATF, DOD, DOJ, NIS, etc.; terrorism and military actions are two different realms that should not be confused with one another. Terrorists are separate from the governing body that they themselves have derived from. Our court system needs to work with these separate entities to develop coordination and streamlined processes within themselves in order to effectively function, operate, and successfully combat terrorism within our own Country. Terrorism is a warped sutra form of religion it will never go away and chasing after it is only going to instigate it’s believers to spread like a unified wildfire, (as is the result from our current situation in Iraq.) To fight terrorism one has to limit the potential for their ability to achieve success.

Regarding the overwhelmingly large amounts of our money that is dumped needlessly into advancing our militaries technologies, at this consistently growing rate our children are going to grow up as moronically retarded self-indulgent pygmies whom are fixated only on the X-Box, neon lights, and ecstasy. This Countries schools and educational monies are always the first to be cut form the budget in-order to continue piping it towards something military related. Twenty years from now we will have the most advanced aircrafts known to all of mankind, though we will no longer have the skilled people to pilot them, nor will we have the willing personnel to equip and maintenance them. We will end up turning to hiring intelligent foreign Countries such as Japan to pilot them for us, and then I ask you were will our beloved Country be?

Personally for me I would rather have our schools become our nation’s top priority even if that means putting some people temporarily out of jobs; make no mistake this will only be a temporary result deriving from this type of change and in the long scheme of things it will benefit us all 10-fold. Smarter people will always make smarter decisions and having to always result to actions of war is demeaning to the advancement of our existence, as well it is counteractive to the progressive unity of our world.

Ender, nice post, that sums up a lot! [;)]

i htink u hit it on the head rexxcrow

just want to say sorry to every 1 for buring up the post, this subject just hits to close to home if u know what i mean

Outstanding form Smokey!! hehe[^]


By the way I am sorry, but "half-c0cked" is not a bad word!! Stupid editor, hahaa

Well lets look at it like this, hate is breed from ingorance, ingorance is bred through poor and poverty, poverty is bred through war and terror, and its a cycle that circles around itself, a plague that may never find an end, unless we step up and start the transformation our selves. We can invade countries and make them decmoractic nations all we want, but untill we start to educate people, and show them that America can be a place of great power, but also kindness and glory, the hate cycle will continue.

We had gained alot of ground in Iraq, and the muslim world, then the Prision scandal broke, it destroyed any credibitlity we had with any muslim's in Iraq or aborad. We started to restore it pice by pice, then Time broke the story of Guntomao Bay, and what made it worse is the Presdient and the White House tried to cover it up. I believe that America has lost ALL credibitlity in the eyes of every nation.

Its time for a change, and it starts with Bush on down. NO more lies...lies only breed hate, and the cycle may be never ending if we choose not to wake up and force a change in the world.

Ender, did you major in philosophy? LOL

Ugh.

The only problem with that is... too many people use hatred of other
nations to breed political power. "Educating" a population isn't going
to happen when you're dealing with people that have been taught to hate
for generations. We're dealing with a group of people that think that
beheading your enemy shows strength.

I have some experience with the interrogation techniques in use by US
forces in the middle east. One of the counter-techniques insurgents teach
is try to provoke a physical confrontation with the interrogator since the
red cross is likely to find out and public sentiment might force a pull out.
The insurgents there know what they're doing and are purposefully trying to
manipulate your sentiment thru media exposure. The leaders of these groups
know what our kindness is like, they see it as a weakness. Fundementalist
Islam does not believe in compassion, they see it as a weakness. The more
compassionate we are, the more they want to attack and kill us. Being nice to
them might make it harder to recruit a few people in the short term, but
without someone to check the power of these local warlords the long term
recruiting power will easily over-take any wins on sentiment.

No, not everyone over there agrees with their philosophy. But packing up
and going home WON'T stop them from attacking us again. Has nothing to do
with lies. Compare our "prison scandal" with the way you're treated in
Syria if you get thrown in jail. Seriously, which one would you rather be
in? Iraqi's don't care about that, they just want to live their life. And
the insurgents are smart enough to know that a Guantanamo is a hundred
thousand times better than Pakistan.

I grant you, throwing people into a bloody war isn't probably the best way
to win this. And the lives being lost there speak volumes to the inhumanity
of mankind. But we're not the villians of this piece. Yes, civillians die in
war and it's horrible... but how many people did Saddam kill again? Anyone
remember the Kurds?

quote:Originally posted by Stockton

two words
racial profile

No way this is a really bad idea, that approach is a major step backwards as to what America stands for and besides that plays right into the hands of all terrorists alike. Anyways it does not work, they had Cat Stevens on the "No Fly List"; Cat Stevens, that man would not hurt a fly, (again not being too literal, hehe.) Also they even had some judge or politician on it to, talk about the embarrassment of that one! [:I]

geez someone bang a game for these guys so they dont spend all day on the forums!