since when does akor qualify to talk **** to anyone other than someone like smokey?

Who said he didn't qualify? Remember, opinions are like *******s, everyone has one. Indeed, some peoples opinions make them *******s, but who are we to judge?

graz

All in favor of elevating Akor to the position of ELITE please raise their hands now. Hmmm...only hand I see is his. The TW League game ranking system (if I remember correctly) was based on 1st, 2d and 3d place finishes for all corps and there were NO UNLIMITED games and on rare occasions 'TOY' games with major edits for fig factory planets, monster ships...etc.... Most of the games were close to stock and very few went over 5K turns which were considered extreme at the time. At the time it was established the TW League seemed to be a reasonable ranking system and had over 150 players in sanctioned games. Stonewall was elected as chief spokesperson for the League and had a committee to authorize League sanctioned games and I forget how often any given server was authorized to host League games and as usual folks were complaining...speaking about Stonewall add him to your prayers that he will come back from Iraq intact! The League ratings were based on corp results rather than just kills and deaths. As others have already noted...how can you rank the results of the folks who remain in the background patiently building planets and slowly squeezing the grid around other corps? If the league ranking system were brought back then it seems to me that there would have to be 3 tiers: 1) Turns with 1-1.5K turns. 2) Medium with 2.5-6K turns 3) Unlimiteds Sorry...for Turns and Medium players anything over 6K turns might as well be unlimited so might consider a 4th tier for those. Thanks for mentioning Jackal Graz...I was never good enough to run with the Wolf Pack in his own words even though as he was nearing his end I had been training some of his new Pack players. My Avatar expresses my feelings! [:(]

as a side note, there are 762 peeps signed up as members on twleague. Just imagine if we can get a handful of those people back into the game...what a player base we'd have.

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh
We made a genuine effort, over several years, to come up with a way to rank individual players. I no longer think that it can be done. Your case in point, furbers, colo runners etc, speaks to it. What about the great Reds? Peacemaker for one, seldom posted, seldom if ever spoke on Fed. One hell of a strategist though; directed his corpies by polite "suggestions". They almost always won. He would have ended up scoring ZERO.


The league ranked people based on their wins. There is enough variety in teams that over enough games, a poor player will end up ranked lower. On the other hand, if a corp a specific person is on almost always wins, then it would follow that that person is a better player, in general.

Personally, I think an elite is someone who always does superbly in games. That means that they will know all aspects of the game, can rapidly adjust to changes, and can actually execute the theory. After all, knowing is only HALF the battle Most players who are "elite" can script. However, if you can take what others have written or even have someone else who can write to your specifications, and then use them to beat everyone else, I fail to see how that person couldn't be considered elite.

Now, we have akor trying to impress his views on player ranking. Personally, I think that's really funny. No offense intended to akor, he really seems to be trying to learn the game, which is a great start, but he's still at that trying to learn stage. If you don't know the intricacies of the game, how can you hope to evaluate other players who do? Take for example one of his previous posts. He basically made it seem like rammar team SDT is the be all, end all of red scripts. While it is a very good script, it is not right for all situations. For example, day one cashing, you don't have reds cashing together. You don't have a commissioned blue to furb, and you definately don't want to just keep auto-running turns. You need to work with the situation to maximize the cash you get. Additionally, akor seems to think people are being difficult when they say something depends on the edits.

NEWS FLASH! Nearly everything in this game depends on the edits.

So anyway, back to ranking players... I don't think there can ever be a definative ranking system that everyone will agree with. Take Zentock for example. He thinks there are players out there that are elite that avoid all games with good competition. Whether they are or not, how can you determine that if they don't play against the other best players? It's just personal opinion, nothing more. Additionally, personal opinion is always going to differ. I've heard people say zentock is a great player, I've heard people say that he's full of himself and has his head so far up his own Butt he has to fart to breath. This isn't meant as a slam on zentock, just an example of how widely different opinion is.

As far as I'm concerned, let your game play speak for itself. As people play with you, they will form your own opinions on you. If you do good enough, maybe people will start to think of you as elite. Regardless of whatever a ranking system says, it all comes down to a single game at a time. It doesn't matter if some ranking system says you're good or not, it matters if you can win the game you're playing.

I'll just add one more thing...
The BEST players are the ones you have the most FUN playing with or against. No need for ranks there.

And Akor,
Don't let the crap get you down. Keep learning. No matter what your skill level may be, you showed some balls by stepping up to CEO in a draft game. If nothing else, I can respect that.

i'm making a new level.
uber-elite.
there is only one.
he is the elite of the elite.
the greatest ever.
and since i made it up, i get to be it

Your "IT" ok

quote:Originally posted by Traitor


And Akor,
Don't let the crap get you down. Keep learning. No matter what your skill level may be, you showed some balls by stepping up to CEO in a draft game. If nothing else, I can respect that.
Thank you. It is to meet and chat with real friends like you that keep me in this game.

Traitor is no friend..he's a TRAITOR..he turned in his TW uniform for A GIRL!!!! Loser, that's all he is. I spit in his general direction.

quote:Originally posted by LetsDrinkCoke

Traitor is no friend..he's a TRAITOR..he turned in his TW uniform for A GIRL!!!! Loser, that's all he is. I spit in his general direction.


Wow! Sending out the nano-cams to review the results as LetsDrinkCoke attempts to swap slobber with Traitor! Stay tuned folks...this might end up as 'The Fight of the Century' or something you can only view on blocked family channels! Film at 11!

Traitor is da man. I might spit in his direction, but I also shake his hand as one of the good guys. I just am razzing him for taking time off from this game. Make no mistake, we are good friends. And make no mistake that i'd woop him so hard, he's forget how to log into his own website. <g> He is however the power behind the throne...only thing is that his throne is in the bathroom.

My earlier post regarding a ranking was directed towards a system that ranks individuals/corps based on wins vs. losses. There are only three possible outcomes in any particular game. Win, Lose or Tie. Based on these outcomes a “Rank” can be assigned.
This is as basic as a ranking system can be, and it only reflects your ability to win games. At no time was I insinuating that a system could be developed to accurately reflect player’s abilities.
Now, getting away from the “How” and moving to the “What” it does, is provide a measuring stick for all players as to how they would be performing. For instance, I happen to be chatting to a fellow trader over ICQ not to long ago who told me that he and his buddies have been winning all of their games. Which I don’t doubt, but I questioned the competition.
A Web based “League” backed by a data warehouse, would give us a neat summarized rank, recent win history, win %, average opponent rank, etc etc.
The possibilities to expand it are countless, including player reviews on abilities, majors held, Trade Wars awards, so on and so on.


Zoso

ROFL. Not sure what's funnier. The idea that I'd swap spit with Coke, or Coke beating me. Either way, I think the boy needs to get out more.

Now, back to my girl. [:D]