look everyone can be rest assured that I have no life and sit behind my TWGS Node screen looking at everyones IP and spying on every node.

PLEASE STOP ICQing me about dupes, everything is so far clean. just because your getting your Butt kicked doesn't mean the corp is duping.

sorry to sound so mean, I really am a nice sysop that takes care of my server. but I"m really sick (phyically) and in a bad mood. So please I will annouce to the world if I catch dupping on my server. but the way I see it is I Respect you as player... Please respect the ONE rule I have and don't dupe

thanks

Hummm, not to be mean but.....
you seem new to all thi sysop stuff, and there are many ways a DUPEr
can slip under your nose! even if you watch every IP address.
and just because to post it (many dont reat yor post or care)
does not mean you wont. and if a player or 2 askes you to check,
DO IT, if i hade asked you to check and you posted this to me,
i would tell to bite it, and not play at yor server agian!

Eagle, first off, Zillia has his own opininons, and he has talked atleast one sysop into a very bad decision that I know of. Bro, you are doing the right thing, peolple like to ***** when getting their noob asses handed to them. Dont let them get under your skin.

Talk to other sysops, Vader, River Rat, Rincrast, hell, any of the experinced ones, and they will give you tips on catching dupers. Maybe Vid Kid would be willing to help you off to.

Eagle if you decide to take zilla's word on anything then you are making a bigger mistake then i did this past weeked at a wedding when i didnt wear a raincoat while hooking with a random...

Zilla cant be trusted, he outed ender as one of my dupes when anyone knows me and ender are two separate people and he up and quit our corp in TCW for no reason.. litteraly no reason.. this is the email i recieved "im out of the game, no reason, im just not playing".

He never returned an email or icq, and the one practice he showed up to the crackpot puts in the wrong corp pw, *****es, doesnt listen to me when i tell him to simply go up a port a little, then leaves the game and cries that noone has helped him.. bahhhhh good riddance..

Granted, people will complain. But isn't it better safe than sorry?
What's wrong with asking a sysop to run a cheat check on all of
players?

Think about it. 7 players join suddenly and go from 0 to near the
top of the scoreboard. Not uncommon, but a bit odd when they're
all in corps and the game has a history of being slow. Either
1 of 2 things has happened.
1: Good, strong corps have joined.
2: Someone is doing something they shouldn't.

The first is to be applauded. The latter, obviously not. Is there
really anything wrong with asking a sysop to verify things? Just
do a quick IP check (not perfect, but pretty dang good) on the
active players and see. Takes afew minutes, reasonable doubt is
gone.

And I think that's the problem here. Several players (myself
included) have asked Eagle to check things, to be very attentive
during the day for various things, and that's a lot to request.
Responsivity is not a bad thing, it just tends to get abused
from time to time.

I would tend to agree with GodZilla in regard to the duping issue. If a player has concerns, then the sysOp/gameOp is the person to contact. Checking IPs will catch some and it will also catch some that share IP addresses - 5 people use my IP and usually 3 are at keys at any given time (not playing Tradewars though).

Dupes are a major pain in Twars and has been debated several times (a dupe is usually just a bad player x 3 or however many dupes they use). I don't know of any players that have aveage to above average skills duping in games that don't specifically allow/encourage it. A dupe to me, just means the player is admitting they can't play the game.

Having said that, accusing someone of duping is something not to be done lightly. Sometimes it is just more fun to keep SDing them.

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

You know a lot of players of TW are network admin personnel, computer techs, IT's, etc., they are extremely savvy in ways to manipulate network settings, servers, routers, IP addresses, etc. Therefore in essence when catching a duper you really just catching a player that is not technically cognizant in these repects, searching for IP addresses only ensures that the less proficient players or players that happen to share same or similar addressess are taken out of the game in utter humiliation and those players which are "trained" remain in the game hidden by their acuired skills. Afterall let us not forget it even takes the FBI years of teamwork and coordination to catch their suspects whom take advantage of the Internet.

Another issue of concern is: realistically does anybody except a corporation of only a few players to beat down a corp of 5 players without duping? How about a single player left alone to battle it out against multi-player corporations? In order to keep the corporations as equals with each other and the game in balance, new creative ideas should be implemened; rather then depending soley upon methods that may have worked effectively at one time but are for the most part outdated by todays technological advancements. Acting in a creative capacity would only prove to reduce the temptation for players to dupe and potentially (or eventually) eliminate the need for them to do so.

One of the current methods commonly used by SysOp/GameOp's is to simply assign the corporations themselves after having their potential players complete a sign-up period. Another possibility that streamlines this process would be to create a HTML type form for the purpose of either allowing each player to choose for themselves which corporation they wish to be on or the SysOp/GameOp could still maintain this duty for themselves, (this HTML form could be something simliar to an organized set of blank fill-in fields under corporate desinations, i.e. each player would enter their handle in a blank box and hit 'enter' (or click 'sumbit') which would then in effect lock their entry into that position until cleared by the SysOp/GameOp.) This type of format could probably only work as first come, first serve.

Now after a corporation has filled all of its available positions, then either the SysOp/GameOp could elect a CEO or the corporations own teammates could each take a vote for whom will hold the position of CEO; I feel that this second option might have more of an advantage because it allows greater player interaction to occur while allowing them to realize and create their own chain-of-command as well as define an organizational structure within their own corporation. Also this takes a lot of burden away from the SysOp/GameOp by reducng redundancy, thus freeing them to focus on other involved tasks. Eventhought this is but a step in the scheme of things, do we have an idea that has the potential for proactively minimizing and possibly even eliminating duping?

Don't any of you "hot-shots" get me wrong, I am not accusing any you of duping only that you are very capable of doing so if you desired to, because you all got the mad-skillz! [8]

You see what it is going to come to is like on Vid Kid's server. You will have to register to be put into a game. Any Game that is a major game should be like that. Whether it will discorage players or not from playing on that server won't matter if ALL servers did that. I have a guy who was duping tho he claimed he wasn't. I did not get an email about same IP's as I ask on my log-on screen. After talking to him he was rude and being a real Butt, he told me there were two people playing from his IP, but then I notice that 3 from his IP were playing. 2 got deleted. If I feel your duping, you will be deleted no if, ands, or buts about it. So if you dupe on my server expect a short life.


Bethel

ok I'm sorry I was in a bad mood and wasn't thinking, the thing is that I"m being told that I'm not doing my job when checking for dupes. I do, I spy on every node, I check all Ips even though domainwhite pages. and I understand that people can be on different computer ips via realvnc or RDC. but again to point one, I spy on the nodes, I talk to my players to verify, I've asked almost all players ICQ/Aim SN. and have talked to almost all. I was just really posting to say. I've done all my research and everyone can be rest assured as of 06/22/05 at 4:08:15PM there are no dupes on my server.

Ok a few points to clear up!

1: my post was to Eagle and what i would do ,and done as a player
the truth is there are some servers i dont play at cause of the LACK
sysop doing there job. its his server, i was just letting him know
what yhis player thinks. but i Guess im not allowed an opinon!

2: to this DAY I have still have not recived PROOF from Stockton, and
Ender=(Daniel_E_Higginbotham) & Crew, about that dupe thing at Ahabs, Witch VidKid admited on EIS he told Ahab "Ender duped on his
server",Why thay still keep trying to involve me. Its plane to see thay are still not over it, and have to blame Sombody!

3: as far as corp wars, Stockton was pissed I quit, and is Just
trying to get me back! I did ask for help in game and didnt get any
help what-so-ever, Vid was there ask him what truth is! anyway
after 4 days of sitting in game waiting for orders to do somthing i decided to QUIT, was not worth my time, I do understand its a lot to manage lots of players in a big game, and i know Stockton had alot on his plate, and i didnt ask him for help, but the others in the game i did! But dont take my word for it! ASK VID!

And i want to thank Stockton for careing about me! 2 others droped
out of his team and didnt get a post about them. so im going to
take it as my droping off team was a big deal, caused he cared!

I try to keep on top of my server too, and when some players think I am getting slack they let me know. And when they think I have it right, they let me know. They know who they are, and I appreciate them as well. Now to get on to new games, anyone who plays the server ICQ me and give me an IDEA on which edit you want up on the server next.

Vulcan

well zilla for once you are right.. it is a bigger deal that u quit than them.. look wehre i picked you.. pretty darn high in the draft... i figured you have been around and dont need to be walked through every minor detail.. plus you quit for no reason other than your an old man baby.. both the other dropouts are moving.

zilla how is the dupe thing not proven to you.. do you still think me and ender are the same person.. obviously if TWO different people are *****ing at you about it then TWO different people were playing..

regardless even though i thought u would benefit the corp i dont missing having a pain in the Butt on our corp that cries over people not responding to him right away.. YOU Came in the game went red and didnt listen to a Darn person who told u what to do.. again BAHHHHH

ok youmiss the point just like last time,, i never said you, Ender, Psion, Coke was a dupe, i never said there was a dupe in that game!
others said there was a dupe, or thought there was! all i know was i was away for 2 days on a fishing trip, came home and there was all this EIS from Ender blameing me for somthing, Vid Brought up Enders name to Ahab, Ahab asked me if i had seen anything funny in game,, and did i know who it was, and i told him i didnt know! but i guess i will never live that down, Ender decided to rag on me about it, why i have no idea, and now every so often tis BIG LIE keeps comming up!

The PROOF IM LOOKING FOR IS , WHEN, WHERE, AND HOW I TOLD AHAB YOUR
TEAM AND ENDER WAS DUPEING! such a simple thing, cause you all keep
acuseing me of some thing i didnt do, and wont explane how and what proof you have to back it up! but this was all brought out in the
open befor, but you just wont belive it!

Heh, don't drag me into this Z I wasn't in that game at all, I've never even played on Ahab's.

and as far as the corp wars were concerned, i hade a prob, you call
me baby , and to get along and get over it, ok fine. the reason i left and didnt give a reason was, i didnt need or want another lecture
how it was ALL my fault, and to be called names, i know you were busy
busting your butt, and i didnt want to get in an arguement with you
over it, your pissed at me, and i understand and deserver it, but
you could have had a little more understanding, and handeled it better. and hope some day we can be friends. and i hold nothing agianst you.