hey vulcan warm up a observer for me also , i want to see a good Butt whooping lol

omg
i seriously got tears in my eyes from laughing so hard on that last post.
seriously MB, i love it.
god, i've even tried to teach you the game and how it works and you just keep on diggin deeper.
lets go over it shall we

"Ok, now the name calling. That the best you can do? It's obvious from his ICQ posts that he was after blood and looking for a way to hurt me. I am just quaking in my boots. Ooh baby! I'm getting a hard-on!"

so you say here you agree with what i post of our icq log
then you say:

"Oh, one more PS. That ICQ log IS edited and he IS a liar.... The only reason I can't post my copy of the log is when I removed him from my list, I also dumped his files..."

so what you are saying is... i edited the icq logs to make myself look bad? hmm, logic doesn't seem to work there.

"In my first post, I said he was running around blasting people. I should have been more exact, he was running around blasting Treeman. He had NOT killed him, but had podded him. BEFORE He had the chance to find Treemans pod and finish the job, I picked him up and dropped him in an L6 sector and told him to knock it off. I TOLD him where he was at and if he moved, he'd be dead. That is my right as a Sysop. If someone is breaking the rules, I can put a stop to it any way I see fit. He moved. He was hit with a Q cannon (as stated in the log)"

heh, well, we'll follow this one up with this quote:

"When you pod someone with your ship, it DOES NOT show up in the daily log, you have to complete the kill. But since you all are so new, I spose I can't expect you to know that and I'll let it slide. (I believe the term is Noobs)"

and one more:

"He was warned, he continued, he was disconnected, he continued by logging back in under ANOTHER name (aka brett1) and started with the profanity, he was disconnected AGAIN and BANNED then he started in with the posts on ICQ. Read them for yourself. You are right, the game logs DON'T lie and I'll vouch for their validity."

ok, now we can start.
as many people have shown, you are dead wrong and obviously proved a liar once again. i don't know treeman, but i'd like to have him respond. if he agrees, its proved he is a liar, or if he tells the truth, he vindicates himself. right now you are draggin his name in mud and if i were him i would not appreciate it.
as for what happened, as i've always said, i moved to dock, hit your sector and you said "and another one hits the sector"
i then scanned got to dock, your friend bohemian surrounded the rest of dock and started talkin crap to me. yes, that is what happened, and yes, that is fact. lets move on (cause there is so much)

"In my second post, I did, in fact, say he was running around killing people. What I should have said was he was running around ATTEMPTING to kill people. He sucks at it so bad, he couldn't get the job done. Bad choice of words on my part."

so who was i attempting to kill in my merc cruiser? or my pod for that matter? as for me sucking at killing, while i may not be the *best* i WAS nominated for the best killer catagory which was an honor. so obviously some people will disagree with my killing ability.
(im smart enough to know my pod with no figs cant take a loaded IDC)

"Ok, whats next? I'm starting to enjoy this. Bring it on and lets get serious. You might want to bring some real proof next time, not a bunch of circumstantial crap from a hot headed 9 year old girl."

why bring proof when you do all the work for me

"PS. Want more proof? Read the second line of his post in here.

'the sysop and his friend start talkin crap to me (like i in my pod can compete with t-edit?) so i tell it straight, (to the sysop's friend) i said something like "i dont know who you are or what you think you are, but i guarantee you arent half of what you think you are' Now, I ask you in all sincerity. Doesn't that sound like someone looking for some sort of fight? There was nothing said to him by me or anyone else in that game that deserved that remark."

yes, i enjoy whooping newbs who think they are good because they have t-edit to back them... is that a crime? if you don't want me to challenge you to a real game, don't talk crap when you are using t-edit.

"He literally admits by his own statements...."

yes i admited i knew you were using t-edit.
i then went on to say what you did was rude and childish, i never accused you of cheating (see this quote from original post:
"i am not accusing anyone of cheating, or saying people should not play at certain places.")
all i said was that you were abusing your power.
then you starting digging.
and i love every second of it

"At this point, he got very obnoxious and started spamming fedcom. He was asked to cool it. He then attacked AND PODDED Treeman. Treeman said "Man, why did you do that?" At that point, I stepped in and removed him to a loaded sector... and the rest is history....."

laff, refer to previous statement of how that is a blatent lie and MANY people have proved it so. i'd really like to hear from treeman.

"He is a hot head. He doesn't listen to directions. He thinks he is a god in the Punyverse (I know for a fact, that's only in his own mind) and he has a foul mouth and an explosive temper. He is NOT what I would use to describe a good Twar player. He is NOT ever coming back to my server. And I AM NOT going to fold and go away. Each attack on my character will be met with a brick wall of resolution."

yes, i do get hot when people lie and attempt to deface my integrity. however if you re-read my first post or ICQ log i still kept it low key and did not lose my temper. also, you wouldn't know what a good twar player is because you don't know what tradewars is.

in closing, thank you master blaster. i appreciate you making it easier for me to vindicate myself.
not that it was hard, but Darn man, i haven't laughed this hard since the SGO vs K3 offensive fig post

Slim

again:

"The only reason I can't post my copy of the log is when I removed him from my list, I also dumped his files..."

oh, how convienient
(wait, in 3 days when he gets creative he will *find* the logs and post them, hehe)

Okay, you got it, I hope it happens cause I want a ringside seat at this one, anyone else want ringside seats

Vulcan

I'll bring the popcorn lol

I can attest to those logs posted by... Repo i think, being true. Blaster you don't understand and i just relized something... you said he posted 30 times in 15 minutes on icq... umm that's 1 post every 30 seconds, ROFL that's really a lot of posting. I think i've posted 30 times in a matter of 2 maybe 3 minutes it's not that hard. The logs show he did not pod anyone, all it shows is his merf and pod were destroyed by a quasar, and since we've proven that capturing and destroying ships both show up in logs you are now a proven liar. Now i'm taking slims side entirly now, blaster you had your chance and you lost it, i'm not playing on your server even if you clean up your act or never do this again because you are a proven liar and I will not play on a server where the sysop is a proven liar... sorry just how it is, now back to the loki post because this one has become just as pointless, Slim didn't lie, blaster did nuff said.

Dude, this is a very small community of people we pretty much know each other ether by playing in games together or from posting on the forums. Some of us have even traded phone numbers. We may talk smack from time to time but we pretty much treat each other with respect. I like to think we welcome new players or returning players or at least I know I do and guess what? It was Slim that brought that to my attention that we should be welcoming players into games. Why, because this is a small community of people who have more fun in a game when there are more players and by welcoming new players and teaching them we in a whole get a better quality of a game.

The way I see it what happened was not that big of a deal it was not even a real game. I would have thought nothing less of it unless I saw another player commenting that you did the same to him to be totally honest I could care less about who plays on your server. These days you won’t find me on very many servers other then Black Sun or Alien Base. And we all know why that is.

Until you said, “Ok, Tell them the truth” now I’ll reiterate what I said above this is a very small community of people we pretty much know each other.

I would think real hard before posting anything else on this mater and even harder before I call every one a noobi again. [;)]

Except me because we all new I am the newest noobi there ever was [:P]
<Insert pun from Coke>

well I read the original post by Slim about 10 minutes after he made it, went and logged into the server, went into game J and read the logs several times, going back and forth between the High Scores and the log to make sure I understood everything, then went and ICQed slim (the icq he posted). What I saw was the same log as REPO posted. That's why I was confussed, where was the killing he was being accused of.

I think Speed Demon made the best points. This is a "community" of players. For the most part, we all get along and talk. We even get off topic of Tradewars and get to know people's lives in some fasion or another. I'm newer to the game then a lot of people, playing only for about a year and a half now, but geeze in the last 6 months alone there are 20 or so brand new or returning players from years past who have entered the fold and joined the community. Even most of the "KILLERS" in this game tend not to pod brand new people and rather teach them how not to get podded easy.

Listen to Harley on this one, and just admit some wrong and move on. My guess is most of this will be forgetten within a few months and you can move on with your server. But just admit what has happened, you DID use T-edit to move slim, and slim was not killing people. That's where the whole untrust of your server is going to come in. I personally don't give a rip of you were usign t-edit in a game you are messing arond with. Your welcome screen said that much and that's fine, but it's your lying that is the problem.

oh and on a side note..... SGO vs. Harley on the OFF. fig post. Golly, that brings back great memories, think I might have to go read those old posts again.

HOLY COW!!!!!!!!!!!! I can't belive how this entire thing has been completely blown out of proportion because one player comes in and starts blasting another. The game was set up as a test game. I asked Master if I could go in and work on some scripts and fool around a bit and he said that was ok. This was my very first night back at TW in almost 2 years. I was feeling a bit rusty and wanted to get back into the groove. The game CLEARLY STATED it was a test game currently being edited by the SYSOP. It stated that it was the SYSOP's universe. IT stated that anything you did or created was subject to be deleted or edited by the SYSOP at anytime.

Well I am not a genius but that makes things very clear if you ask me. It was the only game on the server set up this way. After awhile another player came in and asked if he could kick around and try some stuff out. So here we are all messing around playing with the edits making suggestions etc. Basically enjoying a game that was not at the time a game.

Here enters player "Slim".... Yes the original poster of this message. Those of you who know me know that I can be the queen of smack talking and that when I do it's all in good fun. See I believe in playing this game for fun. It is not my life, it is my recreation. "Slim" comes in and immediately starts verbally attacking player number 3... who was stunned by the verbal attack I might add... So player "slim" was given a warning. He then started telling the SYSOP that he could do whatever he wanted and if the SYSOP didn't like it he would make sure "no one ever played at this board". Nothing pisses me off more than these egotistical threats. If you all want to follow someone who makes threats such as that then quite frankly I don't want to play with you anyhow. He then proceeded to use a litany of profanity when we pretty much told him what he thought was insignificant to us. It is insignicant to me. I have watched players cone and go in this game through out the years. To me "Slim" is just another one of the players who is here now but will be gone later. He has a vulgar mouth and is totally disrespectful to other players. His smack talking was not considered fun because none of us knew him. How can that be fun banter? I was completely insulted by the things he said and offended by the language he used.

I hope you all are smart enough to see through the ruse "Slim" has set up in this post. All he is trying to do is manipulate you all into avoiding what is a good board that has a great oldtimer for a SYSOP. Master Blaster has been around a long time and has an excellent reputation. Don't let it be tarnished by and ego that has no boundaries.

Well, I love these. Doesn't everybody else?

Okay, I don't know MB, so I can't say much positive. From his other post, he seems another Vash type, so I'll just leave it at that. I can speak highly of both Boh and Slim. While Slim is an Butt from time to time, I don't believe he would lie. I would say the same of Boh, she gets pissy, and photons her own corpies, but I wouldn't say she would lie anymore than slim. I'm wondering how much of this has gotten blown out of proportion, and MB is now trying to come out on top, instead of admitting a wrong. I've asked Slim for logs, and hope to look over them to get some insight or what may have been missed.

All in all, I don't trust MB as I don't know him, and he has already proven a decidedly lack of game knowledge, despite his mouth. Boh and Slim I would trust, so I gotta guess alot of this is things getting blown out of proportion.

Jhereg

Ok my 2 cents. Slim I have played with you before. You might not remember since to you I am a newbie.hehe and I guess can be called it again for my retirement. But, I do have alot of people who will vouch I am a fair and honest person. I will start by saying attacking Bohemian in your post was wrong. To even mention her is a slanderious act. I have known her for years now and I do know she did probley talk alot of smack back to you. When someone talks smack she will always talk back. She is a good player and is always fair in her play. Now I also have seen you go off slim and start cussing up a storm so I do think that could have happened. Now for masterBlaster. I do not know you. But, I have to agree I think you are stretching the truth on this one also. I know slim and the logs posted I have read go against what you have said. Now I prolly will also not play your board even though Bohemian vouches for you but that is because of your own posts. I was not present so I dont know what actually did occur but I can honestly say it is childish that the two of you are even in a flame war over this. It was not a competive game. Slim you were not there to win. Master you should NEVER move someone with t-edit to a sec that is juiced to "stop them" you should tell them another movement like that will get you banned. You are the sysop it is your board you have the right to ban anyone you feel fit to for any reason you feel. I dont think he would have had such a backing from the community had you not moved him. I would normally just read and not respond but I had to vouch for Bohemian. I did take offense to the attack on her. She is a good player and very respectful. I know myself along with others whom I will not mention but if they feel fit they can add to her vouch, will tell you slim she is not a newbie and nor is she a cheater or a lier. On that note. I think this subject is best to let go. Slim no hard feelings I like your style of play. I like talking smack to you I find it fun. Master I dont know you will play in a game against you but prolly wont play your board. Bohemian I know you and I know you would not have had your hand in any form of cheating to prove a point.

LOL So Slim was wrong for smack talking to Boh, even though she is a smack talker too? You didnt say she was wrong for talking smack at him. Seems an odd standard. You even say you like it when Slim smack talks to you, but then you get upset when he smack talks to Boh? And how can she be respectful and be the smack talker you admit her to be? The two are generally held to be mutually exclusive! LOL Make up your mind dude, seriously.

As to the rest of your post, I pretty much agree. MB handled the situation extremely poorly and insulted the community as a whole. If he had a problem with Slim, he should have just banned him, not tedit-killed him. And he most definately should not have started spreading lies on this forum. He publicly displayed his lack of game knowledge and had the gall to call us noobs. And the daily logs he himself said were accurate in fact proved that he lied about Slim podding treeman. Nuff said.

MB, you were wrong, admit it and lets let this topic go. People that want to play on your server will, and those who don't won't.

Actually Psion. I was not upset at him smack talking her. I was upset that he included her in this flame war. From what I see she did not use tedit to get him. She did not ban him. so to the reference of this thread she should not have been included. That was what I was posting against. She is guilty by association. That I dont agree with. We have all at one time or another been linked to someone who is dumb or done something dumb doesn't mean we should be dragged through the mud in the forums. that was my point. She is a good person. I dont mind if he talked smack to her at all. I know she can handle smack talking just fine and can talk back with the best of them. So again I was not downing Slim in any form I was saying what I knew of him. How I have seen him. I will take slims word over Masters anyday because I know and trust slim. my negatives twords slim are just what I have seen him do before. I dont down him for any of it. I beleive this got way out of control and now it is plain out of hand. I also agree that MasterBlaster calling the community noobs was not a intelligent move. But I dont want to ramble on just wanted to correct your last post. Smack talking is not what I was going against. I was pointing out what I have seen before I was not in the game so I dont know for sure if slim did get mad and lose it in there. but, I have seen him get mad before and go off on someone. I have also seen him be the nicest player in the game helping out newbies. So dont in any way think I am downing slim in my post or his smack talking. I know I get a laff out of it when I am in game with him.

Nod, Slim definately has a temper, but he apologizes when he's wrong. MB is the one who should be giving an apology. IMHO, it wasn't a big deal for Slim to mention Boh by name. He didnt attack her in the post (or even MB), he just gave his version of what happened (which is certainly biased against them tho, heh). And judging from her post, apparently Boh condones MB's actions and didnt bother to correct his lies. Taking that into account, I'm gonna lump her in the same category as MB. Maybe she doesn't like Slim. So what? But she didnt address the lies that MB told, just claimed that Slim was manipulating us and insulting a player with a "great reputation". If he had a great rep once, he sure doesn't now. I also can't help but note that they like to disparage him and his abilities, but haven't taken him up on his offer of a 2v1 game....

Ok Let me make this VERY CLEAR since reading comprehension for some seems to be a liability. I simply stated the way I saw things go down. Every truth is altered by ones own perception of events. I am not taking sides in this ego war, nor do I have any intention of doing so in the future. I merely stated what I know of both the "players" involved. I do not know Slim but I am familiar with Master. Master has never done me wrong in any way. If Master and Slim are having a difference of opinion that is between them but it will not influence me and my opinion of either of them in any way what so ever.

I base my opinions of people on my own experinces with them. I am little beyond the high school drama of "so and so said". If you guys want to have your little war here be my guest but leave me out of it. I personally think this entire episode was blown WAY out of proportion from the start and that the egos fueled the fire.

ok, this is why bohemian was even brought up:
i join game to talk smack to treeman cause i had just online invaded him in game D.
you start with new player planets.
i was aware of t-edit.
i was aware that he was surrounding fed with big sectors.
i expressed to dock.
hit his sector, went poof.
i scanned with my pod, finally got to dock.
bohemian shows up in her max ISS, and surrounds the rest of fed with 50k figs (my clue as to her having been t-edit as well)
i never saw treeman, he responded twice that i saw saying "huh? what" type stuff, but by the time he responded i was already into it with the other 2.
i started saying how i invaded treeman in game D.
these 2 players started in on me on how i can't touch them and blah blah.
well duh.
so i tell it like it is.
i dunno who you are, but you arent half of what you think you are.
they went on how they've played for oh so many years and that makes them awesome.
i was moved to a loaded sector.
MB says to boh, if he twitches he's dead and laughs about it.
so i dont move and i challenge them to a game without them using t-edit cause i would stomp them down.
then i was killed by MB.
so i join back up as brett1
i join in and see boh saying something like "geez, can you believe these noobs?" or something along those lines.
i pointed out that it was not i that is the newb.
then at some point i said Butt and MB said
"Uh Oh, no profanity on this board, hehe"
then i was disconnected.
so i brought it to his ICQ which i've posted already.
i don't recall really saying anything too bad about boh other than she was side by side with MB in the instigation.
MB had the power to do what he did, not Boh
and MB is the one who lied, not Boh.
i thought that was clear.
i was never really out to get her, but her assosiation with this pud left a bad taste in my mouth.
i also dont appreciate being called a newb by someone who is not as good as me
sure, i dont know her, but if she is hanging around with MB it's safe for me to assume i would stomp her.
it's not like i sit here and say ohh, kemper called me a newb, ima throw a fit! na, i know him, he's joking (mostly, lol) and i know he is better than me.
but man, when people argue with em about FACTS of the game... where a simple test will prove me 100% correct... i know i'm better than you, it's that simple.
anywho, as for Boh... i got nothin *really* against her except a couple things.
#1.

" He then started telling the SYSOP that he could do whatever he wanted and if the SYSOP didn't like it he would make sure "no one ever played at this board". Nothing pisses me off more than these egotistical threats. If you all want to follow someone who makes threats such as that then quite frankly I don't want to play with you anyhow"

that is a blatent lie.
i said nothing of that sort until ICQ in which you were not involved.
and it was not a *threat*
i do not have magic control over people who play twars.
but i know the history of the game and what sysops can do to make their board fail. stuff like this is a big one.
i've been tryin to help him with stuff all week.
re-read my ICQ log and just tell me again, where my "threats" are.
a threat would be
"i'll hunt you down in every game i find you in and make your life miserable"
but i didn't say that, cause neither of you are worth my time.
course, obviously i do have *some* spare time as i seem to always write these long Butt posts...
i think SGO is taking over my fingers.
atleast my posts make sense though <grin>

Slim