3 reasons I think George Bush should not be President:

1. I am a Florida Resident, as such, I have first hand knowledge of the ineptitude of the "Bush" family. Jeb Bush, (George's Brother) is Governor. Last year Jeb Bush struck a blow against the rights of injured workers by pushing for and signing into existence a law that does not allow Workers injured on the job to sue their Employers or even third parties who's neglegence contributed to the injury. At the same time Jeb is working to dismantle the State's Workman's Compensation System (while Bush is pushing for similar legislation on the Federal level, and is dismantling the Department of Labor Workman's Compensation). Soon, if you are injured on the job in America, you will simply find yourself "on the street penniless" begging for spare change. If the Bush family has their way.

2. George Bush is using 911 to destroy the rights and freedoms of Americans, and is using it as an excuse to wage war on America's neighbors without approval and support of the international community.

3. George Bush, in his short Presidency has done more to undermine the strides of Civil Rights made in the last 100 years than any other President in History. Not only is he turning back the clock on Human Rights, he's turning back the clock on every stride made by Labor in the last 150 years. He is anti-labor, pro-rich, anti-American, and just an all around descpicable Human being with no empathy for the poor, the infirm, the weak, and the disabled of America. He claims to be a Christian, but his actions show that he is an horrible hypocrite!

Here is just ONE thing that Bush has been doing. Attempting to overthow the American's With Disabilities Act:

Last week The Supreme Court heard oral arguments in the State of Tennessee vs. Lane and Jones. A few weeks ago an article was published under the pen name of The Gray Line concerning this case. It is interesting to note that all of the Court Justices reviewed arguments for two and one half-hours in favor and against Lane, who is a disabled citizen of Tennessee. Mr. Lane could not enter the Tennessee Court in 1996 because it was inaccessible. He had to pull himself up the two flights of stairs in order to make his personal appearance in Court. If Tennessee wins this case this fall, the green light will be on to discriminate against disabled Americans. All that disabled Americans have fought for in the last thirty years will be legally defeated in the court. The Bush Administration has sent numerous brief's to the highest court of the land citing many times (States Rights), which is a Republican stance, and fall on the side against Lane.

The disabled community may find themselves very long way from true civil rights if the Supreme Court acts upon the results of these briefs and enacts a law or laws that encompass laws adverse to the disabled. Unlike the other Civil Rights Movements of America, the Disabled Civil Rights movement is the most difficult to past. It cost everybody money to get the job done and most Americans don't want to spend their money on such a movement

Shut up you democrat...Your trying to tell me that if Gore was president then NONE of this would have happened...Bull S**T...We would be saying the same thing about Gore...Bush Started this let him finish it...If we bring Kerry into the mess half way through all he is going to do is stand there with his thumb up his Butt....

1. All Politicans (Gore, Clinton, Bush, Kerry) have stupid ideas that make no sense.

2. George Bush is using 911 to destroy the rights and freedoms of Americans, and is using it as an excuse to wage war on America's neighbors without approval and support of the international community.
- This is a lie. 9-11-01 occured because America was not willing to
stand up for its rights in previous terrorists attacks (Cole, WTC 1991 etc). The people got angry after so many deaths occured on American Soil that we went into Afganistan to defend our right to exist. The terrorists groups want us to sit and do nothing, similar to what Germany and Japan had desired before WW II. The next biggest terrorist threat was Saddam Insane. Kerry said it. Clinton said it. Gore said it. But now that Bush is president, the liberal press cannot stand that he is leading our country to victory so now the Democrats have flip-flopped to the wrong side.

3. Any real proof on this one? Sounds like you just hate Bush and will do anything to try to tear him down. The Federal government is too big. The States should take a more active role. We need less pork. The people of Tennessee should take a stand and vote to insure that all state buildings are accessable. This has nothing to do with Bush. The Supreme Court is the correct place to make decisions such as these not the presidency.

The Liberal Press and Democrats are getting desperate. Their hope that an ultra-leftist liberal could take on a good president is starting to slip away. Ever since 9-11 I have thanked God that we had a President who would stand up for America's Rights and fight for our freedom. If Algore had become President who knows what kind of state we would be in. He would have written an apology letter to Al Qaeda that we exist and that he would do whatever he could to repay them for damages we caused. Terrorists would be free to continue persuing weapons of mass destruction.

BUSH-CHENEY '04
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Ok, why do we have to have political posts here? I have an opinion on such, but TW forums are not the place for em. My only political statement is I wish we had a decent candidate from either party. Two straight elections with crappy candidates puts us where we are.

quote:Originally posted by smartidiot

1. All Politicans (Gore, Clinton, Bush, Kerry) have stupid ideas that make no sense.

Not all, just the "standard fair democrats and republicans"

quote:
The people got angry after so many deaths occured on American Soil that we went into Afganistan to defend our right to exist.


Wasn't talking about Afghanistan at all! The war in Iraq has NOTHING to do with terrorism.

3. The Federal government is too big. The States should take a more active role. We need less pork.


Taking care of disabled Americans can HARDLY be describes as "pork spending."

quote:
The people of Tennessee should take a stand and vote to insure that all state buildings are accessable. This has nothing to do with Bush. The Supreme Court is the correct place to make decisions such as these not the presidency.

Then why is the Bush Adminstration sticking his nose in and writing to the Supreme Court on the subject?

quote:
Ever since 9-11 I have thanked God that we had a President who would stand up for America's Rights and fight for our freedom. [/quote]

That's just SO not true it's funny.

quote:Originally posted by Vader

Ok, why do we have to have political posts here? I have an opinion on such, but TW forums are not the place for em. My only political statement is I wish we had a decent candidate from either party. Two straight elections with crappy candidates puts us where we are.


There can NEVER be a decent candidate from either party because both parties are controlled, run, and funded by special interests.

First of all let me state that you are ridiculously funny in your attempts to draw attention to yourself. Why start a new thread when we have one that has a good debate going on in it? Simply so people could see your name beside a topic. Hilarious.

1. I would like to see your sources for this information. I dont want to know if Bush backs legislation that limits jury awards to workers, but I want you to show me where Bush has said he wants to get rid of all Workmans Comp. Stop putting words into someone's mouth.

2. 911 is never an excuse. Of course libbies like you WANT to make it one, but thus far have failed. We retaliated and have had how many attacks on our soil since? Your comment about international community is silly. WHO CARES??? These are the same people who cave to pressure from one terrorist attack and let it swing an entire election. I dont want people like that on my side. I dont want countries like France who have no sense of loyalty on our side. I want countries that are gonna stand by us through thick and thin and help us rid the world of evil.

3. Rights of the few over rights of the many. Sigh...you will never learn. You have yet to give one example of how civil rights have been violated. You throw out a professor getting arrested for growing bacterial cultures in his home and champion his cause. Silly. Bush is definitely pro rich because he realizes by supporting lower taxes it helps hiring and increases spending and jobs. That in turn means that there are less people waiting in line for the government (or the jury) to give them a handout. How can that be bad?

Finally, how is letting the Supreme Court know that he supports states rights over federal rights in cases such as these hurting those with disabilities? This is again the rights of a few over the rights of the many. Just because the democrats dont mind using judges in order to change the constitution doesnt mean that Republicans will resort to that tactic.

Finally your Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism comment just magnifies how far removed you are from reality. Stop watching 60 minutes and find out the truth before you make silly comments.

quote:Originally posted by Vader

Ok, why do we have to have political posts here? I have an opinion on such, but TW forums are not the place for em. My only political statement is I wish we had a decent candidate from either party. Two straight elections with crappy candidates puts us where we are.


So I'm not the only person wondering this after all. [;)]

"General" discussions.

Doesn't say "General Tradewars Discussions" does it?

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

"General" discussions.

Doesn't say "General Tradewars Discussions" does it?


No, but it is the 'Official Tradewars 2002 Support Forum' last I checked. I don't deny that you have the right to discuss this stuff here, I don't think that was ever in question. I just wonder, like the other poster, why on Earth it's been posted here of all places. That's all. [;)]

It is posted here because my experience with political threads elsewhere is one of the following:

a. It is frequented by older people who can type out one response every couple of days or

b. It is frequented by a much of flame artists who have to use cuss words every third or fourth word and there is no actual debate other than seeing who can call each other better names.

At least on here SGO, even though he is wrong, can respond in an intelligible way. Furthermore, arguing with SGO is like taking candy from a baby. He just makes it so easy to win.

Actually, this is "Trade Wars Open Discussions." However, I don't really see a problem with a political discussion. If you don't care for them, do like me and don't read them.

as a Vietnam vet I see some things in a different light. After 911 we (the US) went after Bin Laden and was not able to cap him, so to save face with the American people (the govt) decided to swing the focus to Iraq and Saddam, a country that had not rebuilt after the first attack. Invading a small county and cap it's leader was a simple task compared to capping Bin Laden (still not accomplished)who has the entire world to travel and hide out since he is not a leader of any certain country. War over, yea right, looks more and more like a conflict we were involved in in the 60's. And as always we are rebuilding what we destroyed just like so many times in the past. If we (the govt) were not so gunhoe on Diplomatic ties and policing the entire world and concentrate on the US more I believe that this would be a stronger nation, we send billions overseas in food aid; and with one of the worse cases of homelessness and starving people residing right in our own Capital City. What's wrong with this picture.

No disrespect intended quaser but to there is really no comparison between Iraq and Vietnam. In Vietnam we lost almost 500 troops monthly for 10 YEARS. We had over 2.5 million military personnel within the borders of South Vietnam during the campaign. Neither of those numbers will be touched during this conflict.

However, there is one similarity. The people of the United States, especially the democratic congress, lost their will in vietnam and public support then was at a very low level. If we keep losing troops to car bombs and the dems gain control of congress we will see a similar exit without finishing our business in Iraq. Vietnam would have been won if we had not bowed to international and at home public pressure. It was just a matter of sustained bombing of the north. The people lost their taste for it and therefore we make a hasty exit.

One thing that people like SGO dont even think about is that eventually we were gonna have to fight this war anyway. Our economy is driven by oil. Like it or not it is gonna continue to be driven by oil for the forseeable future. If the middle east could defeat us militarily they would withold that oil now. The reason they dont is because they know we will attack them and take it away. My hope is that none of those countries ever becomes a military power.

Finally, thanks for your service. People that have served in the military are truly heroic whether that service was mandatory or voluntary.

quote: One thing that people like SGO dont even think about is that eventually we were gonna have to fight this war anyway. Our economy is driven by oil. Like it or not it is gonna continue to be driven by oil for the forseeable future.

That actually brings up a question of mine that has gone unanswered since the very beginning of the other political thread. Which is : if we need oil enough to warrant a multi-billion dollar military campaign, costly not only in terms of manpower, personnel, and human life - but also costing in the hundreds of billions - doesn't that seem to indicate we are over dependent on oil, and that a more productive and forward thinking alternative would be to invest in the development and research of alternative sources of energy? Oil is, after all, a finite resource. Alternatives currently exist, and the technology is getting better.