Absolutely Harley! Let's edit our games to completely ignore the plain simple reality that the red is going to get some of his corp members to either go blue and stay in his corp, or make a blue corp. We can talk all day long about this and completely ignore this reality. It's "irrelevant" and anyone who brings it up is irrational!

So, I edit my game this way, planning that the reds will stay red, and the blues will stay blue and none of them will work with each other!

Are the edits going to be effective in the real world? I just don't think so, if that's irrational, so be it!

HOLY ****! Can you not stick to a discussion? We are talking about RED STRENGTH AND WEAKNESSES vs BLUE STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES...not "Red with blue support" or "Blue with red support."

It's very simple. SURE, it's not played much, but can you PLEASE stick with the thread?!?

SGO why do you have to hijack every active thread in the forums? Can't you just pick one or two threads and stick to that one? Why post in every thread? We already know where you stand regarding game edits and red vs. blue game play. You have posted about it in every active thread for the last few days.

Okay, as usual threads alter. So I'll try to sum this one up in one final discussion.

1.) There are numerous ways to weaken a red presence in the game, see my initial post.
2.) To have an effective corp, you normally need a mix corp, which means that in general a red relies on blues, and the blue on reds. If the reds don't get super ships, they aren't "as powerful."
3.) Stock games and similar edits favor the blue.

Now I'll start a new thread or SGO can on mixed corps, and who is the power, the red or blue.

Jhereg.

Heh, this will be my last post on this subject. Maybe ever, I don't know.

When in the context of game edits, you can't make an edit thinking in terms of "red with no blue support" because in a real game, that's rarely going to happen (that a red has no blue support I mean).

Well, you can make an edited game discounting the "blue support" the red will most definately get (if he's worth his salt at all), and you can call this a "more balanced game," because you ignored the fact that the red will get a blue, (or many blues) and take advantage of every edit you created FOR the blue. Call it "more balanced" all you want but the reality is, it simply aint so!

I'm done.

so i was walking to the store the other day and then i was watching poker on television and it was the celebrity poker on bravo and then a dog ran by and i laughed and then the air conditioning broke and it got hot and then the color green smelt like a stereo speaker and then tw55 went to sector zero and the bus picked him up and brought him to the finish line where he found out that red's have an advantage in a mixed corp of reds, blues, and yellows and then res judicata joined the EIS team...

hehehe

Slim

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It's easy to make a red vs blue game with no mixed corps. It's called a solo game. Also, on a blue edits game, how is it any ANY way advantageous to play red if a blue will make more resources in his turn than a red will? If you have 3 reds and 3 blues playing together, and the 3 reds make x resources and the 3 blues make 1.5x resources, they get 7.5x resources/day. On the other corp, you have 6 blues all making 1.5x resouces, which is 9x resouces/day. How does that mean the corps with reds is doing better? If this is the way you look at games, I can understand previous posts you've made about there being no strategy to the game anymore.

Actually SGO, I've been in MANY games where it is one or the other. Some people hate one color or the other so they run games that favor their color. Take this game I'm in now. I LOVE playing red. It's more fun to me. But if I want to compete at all, I must be blue. M entire corp is blue because the ship is better and because it is a planet driven game. He who has the colos and more planetes pumping out stuff to be sold and pumping out fuel for cannons wins. Hence my concern when they threaten to basically circumvent cannons.

And unlim's? Especialy those with a truce? Red all the way unless the edits are as above and grossly in blue favor.

Just putting in my two credits on the whole blue verses red debate:

Stock Game, blue has the advantage in the ships. In a ship to ship battle and the blue has a fully loaded ISS, the blue wins. Red; however, can outcash the blue, buy more figs. Use a battleship to take out ports, and use the extra figs to stop other ports from being used. If red can control the ports, red controls the cashing. Without money, blue eventually runs out of resources. Blue can take out red, but uses figs and resources to do so. Eventually red outfigs blue, and blue cannot keep the max figs in the ISS any more. Red finds blue's planets, invades in a battleship uses a macro to launch a ptorp in a missile frigite and switch to the battleship and enter the sector to invade. Red repeats this as many times as it takes to take out blue's planets and ships. With no ships left, or planets, or way to make an income, blue loses.

That is, of course, if red does not get hit really hard by blue in the early stages of the game. If red can survive until red builds up a large amount of figs to control things, then the endgame starts. If not, then blue wins. If there is a truce, then red can build up fast while the truce is going on.

Just my two credits view on the stock game. More as I think of it later.

heh..orion

what about the blue getting the colos? his planet production of figs and products will outgun the red after about two weeks or whenever mobile planets come to play. red cash isn't going to overcome blue ptrade and planet production in long run in a stock game.

my take on it

feral

We'll see how my game against typh00n goes.

Feral only in a game with unlimited colos. Stock planets do not produce as well as edited games like Gangsters do. If colos are limited, red may be able to outcash the blue.

I guess it also depends on what the ptrade settings are? [;)]

If unlimited turns, red can cash all day and all night, blue can ptrade until the ports wear out. [;)]

ok we will see. let's watch the outcome of kemper3 and typ00n. typh00n is a solid guy but i believe he is mistaken.

i still stand by my statement

lol

feral

Being a low turn stock game, blue has an advantage if he planet farms and then ptrades before the red player can find his base. Red will have the SDT advantage until blue is able to ptrade and have the planets produce equ, org, and ore, then sell off the extra org and equ for more cash.

Unless the ptrade rate is very low, then red should SST instead and would have the advantage.

Without knowing all the game settings, it would be hard to predict the outcome.

It also depends on the skills of the players. I know that Kemper3 is highly skilled, but I never played against Typh00n before so I cannot say.