Just so you all know:

1. I have experienced the aforementioned problems with Swath on TWO different computers! So it's not my computer.

2. I have uninstalled and reinstalled more times than I can really cout, for a while there I was doing it every time I loaded Swath to play.

3. The installs were reported successfully for all files.

4. I'm attempting to run standard script programs built into the Swath program itself, and I am finding that they work most of the time, but even a 10 percent failure rate can mean certain death in a game where people are running advanced scripts and bots!

5. Swath give me blue screens on a DAILY basis, it is NOT a rare occurance as some have claimed.

6. The Swath support is seriously lacking, that is the real issue here.

7. Even the Swath program itself recognizes that something is wrong and sends an "error" report automatically on a frequent basis.

8. I know how to use Swath! I don't know how to "troubleshoot" external scripts that I attempt to run with Swath, and yes, I understand the problems I experience while running other scripts may very well be in the scripts themselves!

9. I'm not saying Swath isn't a good helper, it's quick Macro feature and assigned Macro library are the best I've ever seen, however, I still can't recommend Swath because of all the bugs it has.

10. I shouldn't have to be a "script" writer or a "programmer" to understand and use a piece of software that was designed and sold to be used by all!

11. Finally, many of you seem to try and belittle me because I clearly do not have a knowledge of scripts, etc. Let me assure you, it's not because I can't comprehend these things, or that I couldn't learn to, it's just that killing Slim Shady in a game is not important enough for me to take a bunch of time to learn these things, I'd rather be playing the game.

I'm done.

Well SWATH experiences can vary. I use SWATH and when SWATH gets wonky on me, I reboot and the problem is fixed. It does that with other Windows programs as well, something about XP and how Microsoft never really fixed that memory leak problem.

If SWATH, Java, and REXX scripts are messing up, did you try TWXProxy yet and TWX scripts?

Really I found areas that need to be improved in SWATH, ATTAC, TWX, and J-TWAT. I have come to the conclusion that there is no perfect TW Helper.

Just wait for DROP to be released. [;)]

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

Just so you all know:

1. I have experienced the aforementioned problems with Swath on TWO different computers! So it's not my computer.


I have ran swath on 3 boxes now and other than some really OLD problems with old versions I would never get a fatal exception. Using Win2k, WinXP or WinNT would mean that IF you are getting a bluescreen then the exception is I/O related and on a level MUCH higher than swath actually works. What OS are you using..
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2. I have uninstalled and reinstalled more times than I can really cout, for a while there I was doing it every time I loaded Swath to play.


There should never be a need to do this. Windows is a buggy creature by nature and if you do keep doing this then you might just be making an error with 1 install that does eventually spread to the rest of the installs.
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3. The installs were reported successfully for all files.


Yea, Just a real basic installer.
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4. I'm attempting to run standard script programs built into the Swath program itself, and I am finding that they work most of the time, but even a 10 percent failure rate can mean certain death in a game where people are running advanced scripts and bots!


I dont see how it fails. Explain the failure. If the script is stopping then it should give a halt error or something. Explain what you mean about "Failure".
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5. Swath give me blue screens on a DAILY basis, it is NOT a rare occurance as some have claimed.


Yes.. It is rare..
List your OS and since it's a bluescreen then list the fault error (you might need to use a pen and paper) and I think you could even load a fault recorder...
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6. The Swath support is seriously lacking, that is the real issue here.


I dont think it's lacking..
It looks like you never posted one question about it in the swath forums at all (correct me if wrong).. I know nothing has been posted in the past 20 days.
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7. Even the Swath program itself recognizes that something is wrong and sends an "error" report automatically on a frequent basis.


Yes.. That's good that it does that, It means that it's spotted a PARSING error and is sending the information back. Makes me wonder if your using some strange Proxy that's stripping some information out.
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8. I know how to use Swath! I don't know how to "troubleshoot" external scripts that I attempt to run with Swath, and yes, I understand the problems I experience while running other scripts may very well be in the scripts themselves!


Glad you understand.
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9. I'm not saying Swath isn't a good helper, it's quick Macro feature and assigned Macro library are the best I've ever seen, however, I still can't recommend Swath because of all the bugs it has.


What bugs?
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10. I shouldn't have to be a "script" writer or a "programmer" to understand and use a piece of software that was designed and sold to be used by all!


Your not, I think that you need a solid pc however, Maybee you should format your drive, Install windows (If your using windows) and then install swath (NOthing Else) then you'll see if it's working.
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11. Finally, many of you seem to try and belittle me because I clearly do not have a knowledge of scripts, etc. Let me assure you, it's not because I can't comprehend these things, or that I couldn't learn to, it's just that killing Slim Shady in a game is not important enough for me to take a bunch of time to learn these things, I'd rather be playing the game.


No.. We belittle you for TONS of other reasons. I'll not go into that however even tho your requesting someone go into it. I hear that someone is looking to ban/remove a few troublemakers (not sure if I am one of those) so I'll keep it civil.
I wouldnt try to kill Slim either.

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I'm done.





Okay

Hey SGO sounds to me like you might be having a conflict with another program running on your computers that might be why you are getting the starting errors and blue screens maybe try killing all the TSR programs running on your systems also is it possible you might have some kind of worm or spyware running in the back ground I have seen thous things cause some real funny problems on computer systems in the past try running spybot sd, adware, and a virus scan on your system that might clear up the blue screen of death for you if not might just be time to format and reinstall windows. I have gotten the start error box a few times in the past but have yet to see swath give me a blue screen.

Also I would try and fix the loading / blue screen problems before trying to figurer out why the scripts are not working right for you the loading problems might just be what is causing swath to not record sector info or run scripts correctly.

Im still Kinda new with Swath... Under 1 month using it but I have yet to have any of the problems you speak of... My TWX scripts seem to work great in em <as long as I have messages on silent>... And no blue screen or anything ... The one problem I do have is every now and then I have to try to load it "twice" to get it to load up... But thats all there is on that I just click on the Icon again and it will load up right so I dont even consider that a hassle considering the Blue Screen of Death I had to put up with every now and then back in Win98 days...

I agree I have had spyware knock out my TW helpers. Even Jtwat gets messed up when a Spyware app hijacks it's network connection and tries to control and monitor the program.

Windows 95, 98, and ME are basically not stable enough for most TW helpers to work with. You need a NT technology based on NT 4.0, 2000, XP, or 2003. I've seen friends try to use SWATH on Windows 95 or 98 and experienced the same problems as SGO described. When they upgraded to 2000 or XP the problems went away.

Just a thought, doesn't this belong in the Helper Forum? I do believe I mentioned that in the last post. I think I even said, if you post there, people will try to help.

As to the problems. Send me a private message with an email to contact you, and I'll have you send me an email with actual Screen Caps of the script failures, and I'll be glad to look over it, and see if I see anything. Actual caps of the screen (not text copy and paste). ALT-PRTSC should record it, than post to paint and save to file.

As to the other responses. If you need help with it, things I suggest to include in the post:
1.) Seg Fault from the Blue Screen
2.) OS (with what service pack is installed)
3.) What other programs you run while running SWATH
4.) CPU type, and any strange hardware you may be running (Generic Video/Sound cards, etc)
5.) Detailed information on script failures, and other type of failures. 9 out of 10 times, problems like this are generated by the user not fully understanding the requirements for how to setup the built in functions. The SDT/SST/RT functions work differently than the TWX ones if I recall correctly (SWATH doesn't upgrade ports, etc).

I would like to point out that if someone is running advanced scripts in a game, you probably don't want to be using most of swath's built in scripts anyway. Even if they do work right (I'd never heard any complaints about them not working before), they're really slow.

Yes Swath's scripts are really slow. When I log on and use TWX with swath I disable the Swath script features by clicking the light bulb off. That has cleared up most of the problems with running twx scripts with Swath.
1. As for not posting in Swath forums. No I haven't because I've sent numerous emails directly to Swath people using their support contact link.

2. I'm running windows 98.

3. I just reformatted my hard drive in December and reinstalled everything, hoping to clear up the Swath problems.

4. Next time I get a blue screen error while running swath I'll post the error message.

5. I run virus protection regularly. I just ran it last week on the entire hard drive. As for Spyware, who knows, I check for spyware but sometimes they have a tricky way of hiding from you. I'll do a comprehensive check for spyware and eradicate anything I find.

6. When I say the scripts fail, what I mean is this. I'm running vito trade world, or trade world, downloaded from Swath.net. I'm warping around, with my options set for kill tolls, kill defensive. Everything is going good, suddenly I hit a defensive fighter, the script stops. At the bottom of the screen it says "awaiting text."
15 minutes later, it's still in that condition, sitting at the fighter prompt. I hit escape and get a RED error message.

Or, It just stops running in an empty sector. After about 10 minutes I hit escape and I get a red error message. I can no longer type at the prompt. I can't X off the screen. I can't click disconnect. I check manager and it says Swath (not responding). I click end task and get blue screen. I hit space bar to clear the error and I have a big black square covering most of my desk top. I can see the edges of the desktop but nothing else. I click control alt delete and then tell it to shut down. I get blue screen again. I hit space bar, no response, I hit space bar numerous times. No response. I hit control alt delete to reboot. NO RESPONSE! I have to shut computer off at the switch, then let scan disk run when it reboots.

These are just some of the problems I've experience (only while running Swath no other programs mess with my computer the way that one does).

I think a couple comments ago when the poster asked if you had written comments on the support forum asking for help (which I believe you both agreed you did not) the intent was to convey to you that posting there will get answers from SWATH Guys and users both, whereas the email just goes to the SWATH guys. The majority of the time if you have a problem, a user knows how to fix it or has the same problem.

http://www.swath.net/cgi-bin/ubb/swath/ ... tion=intro

Just so everyone knows .. when swhat hangs , type ESC
will break you out of swath scripts or features.

Hope this helps some ..

I think the majority of all script lockups or failures in Swath are caused by the user, you need to post your problems on Swaths web site and not here so they can get answered by the people most likely to know the answers.

The only Swath problems I ever have is the occasional starting error but it works when you restart it after that. The other thing is the scripts are slow, this is due to all the wait fors and error checking done by Swath, if you write scripts to ingore these things then they will be faster but to your own risk. Java is a slow language anyway.

The vito trade thing is a custom script someone else wrote, not a bundled swath option. I've heard of errors with it before. I would guess it's a script error, not a swath error. Much like if someone writes some C code that's buggy, it's not the compiler's fault that it doesn't work

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

Yes Swath's scripts are really slow. When I log on and use TWX with swath I disable the Swath script features by clicking the light bulb off. That has cleared up most of the problems with running twx scripts with Swath.
1. As for not posting in Swath forums. No I haven't because I've sent numerous emails directly to Swath people using their support contact link.







you will get more of a responce by posting in the forums. And also, as stated before. You will also get help from the users of SWATH. As there may have been someone else that has experienced your problem.

Second by posting in the forums. There is a history of the problem. And everyone can see this history.

But, then you have the attitude that you know more than the Authors of the program. So good luck...

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord2. I'm running windows 98.

3. I just reformatted my hard drive in December and reinstalled everything, hoping to clear up the Swath problems.








Then I would suggest that you do a fresh install to Windows 2000 or XP. And give that a try. As stated by another poster here. People using SWATH in 98/98SE/ME have many more problems.

If you do not wish to goto 2000 or XP. Then you will have to deal with the problems. Or not use SWATH

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord5. I run virus protection regularly. I just ran it last week on the entire hard drive. As for Spyware, who knows, I check for spyware but sometimes they have a tricky way of hiding from you. I'll do a comprehensive check for spyware and eradicate anything I find.








I have also seen that AV programs, that are running in the background. Cause more problems with all TW Helpers.

So I suggest that you turn off your AV program, when running any TW Helper.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord6. When I say the scripts fail, what I mean is this. I'm running vito trade world, or trade world, downloaded from Swath.net. I'm warping around, with my options set for kill tolls, kill defensive. Everything is going good, suddenly I hit a defensive fighter, the script stops. At the bottom of the screen it says "awaiting text."
15 minutes later, it's still in that condition, sitting at the fighter prompt. I hit escape and get a RED error message.

Or, It just stops running in an empty sector. After about 10 minutes I hit escape and I get a red error message. I can no longer type at the prompt. I can't X off the screen. I can't click disconnect. I check manager and it says Swath (not responding). I click end task and get blue screen. I hit space bar to clear the error and I have a big black square covering most of my desk top. I can see the edges of the desktop but nothing else. I click control alt delete and then tell it to shut down. I get blue screen again. I hit space bar, no response, I hit space bar numerous times. No response. I hit control alt delete to reboot. NO RESPONSE! I have to shut computer off at the switch, then let scan disk run when it reboots.

These are just some of the problems I've experience (only while running Swath no other programs mess with my computer the way that one does).






And as for these problems. As I have already told you, but you refushed to listen. (This is caused by your "I know the program better than the Author(s)" attitude.)

These scripts a player created, they were not created by Stein or Mac. (Although Mac did created the Ether Probe script.) And all of those scripts are old. As in they were created long before v1.6.0 came out. As such they are not up todate with the current SWATH JAVA API/Commands.

So they will not work. Or if they do, they will not work properly

The same goes for any and all REXX scripts. If they were not created with the Standard/Official REXX scripting language. Then they more than likely will not work. But, if they do work. They will not work properly.

Which means the author of the script. Needs to re-write the script. If not, then you will have to do yourself. Or find someone to do it for you.

In the case of the Vitro Trade. Vitro created that script. And it will have to be Vitro that fixes it. Or you can do it. Or you can find someone else to do it for you.



From your previous post:
quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord6. The Swath support is seriously lacking, that is the real issue here.





What lack of support? Are you talking about the fact that you demand that they put out a fixed version of SWATH, right then and there. Hell, If I was Stien. I'd tell you to go *%$# yourself.

As with any software that you use. You need to request help from the author/makers of that software. And you need to do it in a polite manner. Second, SWATH is not a 'Mission Critical' piece of software. ie no one is going to die from it not working. As such any problems will be fixed as soon as they can be fixed. And a updated version of SWATH will be released. As soon a Stien, and Mac, decide it is ready to be released. Not any time before.

Your demanding to have a fixed program right away. Do not do the your or the author(s) of the program any good.

Maybe you should try upgrading your system to win 2k pro or xp the newer OS are much more stable then win 98 or 95 I personally gave up on win 98 the day I first used win NT 4.0 and gave up on NT 4.0 the day I first use win 2k.
I too have had problems running the Vito world trade but after I got my registration code for TWX I never really tried to mess with that script anymore the world trade that comes with TWX is way faster I don’t think I have even messed with the java scripts in swath since then TWX is just way better for that I manly use swath to map my function keys, run macros, and perform data queries.
Also you should give the swath forums a try they do seem to get back to peeps questions in a timely manner and have been more then helpful with any questions I might have posted in the past.