His wife contributes to organizations that directly support policies that hinder our safety. Any questions?

Ya but BUSH SWALLOWS, and so does all his 'private' contracts to Haliburton.

Miss me this administration is ALL CROOKED.

Res Judicata
PS I would too
GO NWO
hehe

pfft

they're both less than desirable as presidents

but kerry is less likely to suck likud party **** throughout his term in office, so ill vote for him

i live in north dakota. population 500k. it votes 99% republican every times. my vote doesnt count either way i go. im voting for Nader, go green party! heh

Slim

I will aplogize for you res as you spend too much time at home. The media is not a good source of information unless you are a democrat. I know that you THINK they are telling the truth, but do a little research and I think you might become a more likable fellow. As for Kerry, heh. Waffler. Liar. Liberal. I know that most people who play this game are all for things like the legalization of marijuana, baby killing, etc, but us REAL Americans see right through the MOST LIBERAL VOTING SENATOR we have and wont let the media sway us into believing Kerry is anything other than what he is.

save the rain forest!

laff...

why the fuk did you make this thread
pretty obvious you just wanna do what you do in most other threads anyways - run your mouth off at liberals, democrats, name calling, the usual childish overly biased schtick... i mean **** i could sum up the extent your political thought as i've seen it in this sentence

"democrats are stupid"

if you have something to say, then spit it out
quit ranting about the so-called research you've done
prove that bush and his administration aren't the crooked band of thugs that the so called 'liberal media' likes to portray them as

but shrug, odds are you'll start using fox-news style 5th grade analogies ("the left hand doesnt know what the right hand is doing") to prove your point

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector

The media is not a good source of information unless you are a democrat.




Fox News - Fair and Balanced

Jasper

Voting, its a priveledge. At least go down and write in my candidate.... My super hero. Mighty Mouse!

Speaking of that mouse.... I am hungry.

Suralle the Kat

I am a borderline Republican/Democrat, I have been both at various times.

I would vote for Bush; however, I think he is doing a p*ss poor job on:

#1 Security, he is not cracking down on terrorists hard enough, and allows more Visa holders into the country when he should be limiting them. I often wonder how many fifth column sleeper terrorists the increased visa quota allowed into our country? Also Bin Laden is in Afghanistan and we attacked Iraq? Granted Saddam was as evil a man as Hitler, but I fail to see the connection between Bin Laden and Saddam and 9/11. The Saudi Princes had bank accounts that sent money to Bin Laden and his people, and after 911 those same Princes invested in various US companies that got hurt by the 911 attacks, almost as if they knew what was going to happen. Saudi Arabia needs to be investigated as well, but what has been done? Most 911 attackers had Saudi Passports and free access to our country via some boneheaded diplomatic free visa access.

#2 Bush seems to favor the MegaCorporations over the workers. Tax cuts for the upper 10% and megacorps, but not for the middle-class and poor. Plus Corps that Offshore jobs get big tax breaks. There also is no definate evidence that Offshoring jobs to other countries creates jobs in the US. All it seems to do is lower costs of the MegaCorps, who do not pass the savings on to consumers, as they charge the same price for their product as when US Citizens made it at a higher cost. For example, Quark, offshored their software development, yet Quark Express pricing stayed the same.

#3 More jobs being lost, and fast food jobs being classified as "Manufactoring Jobs" to cover up the fact that US jobs are being lost really fast. I and many other people I know have been out of work for years now, since after Bush took office in 2000. People who used to earn $100,000USD to $40,000USD a year are now forced into working $25,000USD to $10,000USD a year jobs, or in the case of people like me being overqualfied for those jobs, not being able to work at all.

#4 Bush has a very bad Foreign Policy, I have not seen so many countries hating the US for a long time now. Bush apparently does not do so well with Diplomancy.

#5 Bush has done almost nothing to fix Social Security and Medicare, if things keep going the same way, these programs will go away.

#6 Bush favors the health insurance and drug companies, which allows them to raise prices, and outlaws bying medicine at a cheaper price from other countries. So the sick US Citizens are forced into paying higher prices.

#7 The RIAA and MPAA are out of control, and apparently "Fair Use" no longer applies to copyright laws. Bush has done nothing to protect citizens who use copyrighted material under the "Fair Use" clause, but get sued anyway.

#8 Money for education has been cut, our school system needs a major overhaul. What has Bush done to try and correct this?

#9 The number of corporate bankruptsies are at a new high. Corp raiders are bleeding money out of corporations and then leaving just before the Corp goes under. What has Bush done to try and prevent this?

#10 Our founding fathers had a concept of a Government that serves the people, that leads them, and protects their rights. WTF happened between 1776 and now? Our founding fathers must be spinning in their graves after seeing how the US citizens are treated like, in favor of the megacorps and the other 9 issues I outlined above.

I don't know if Kerry is any better. I just wish H. Ross Perot would run again. As apparently he got a lot of things right in his analysis of the problems this country faces.[:)]

Jessie Ventura in 2008, wooo! Put a Wrassler in the White House! [:)]

One thing that everyone doesnt seem to consider is a simple fact, the policies and actions of a sitting president dont start to show up in the general population or the economy for a period of 3-5 years unless its extremely drastic changes, such as the current war, or the huge tax cuts. Now if you look back at who was president 3-5 years ago it was slick Willie Clinton. The guy who wanted to raise taxes, let everyone in the world into the country cuz its unfair to not help them, the one who wanted socialized medicine in this country, look at Canada, it doesnt work. Then you have the ties to the Black Panthers and the Communist party with Hitlery Clinton who only wanted to give those feel good handouts to anyone for the asking but she is still a Communist and so is Slick Willy. The tax cuts by the way were for everyone, not just the top 10%. Thats like saying 2 guys went into McDonalds for a 20% off sale, one bought a cheezeburger for $1 and saved .20, the other bought 10 and saved $2 so he must be getting a better deal cuz he got more money back. Please, give it a rest, Slick Willy caused the recent downturn in the economy, it was starting to crash the last year he was in office, 9-11 just added more fuel to it because all the idiots in the country turned chicken **** instead of sucking it up and continuing on with their lives. The economy is recovering pretty well since the tax cuts and the unemployment rate is going down and its actually approaching where it was before 9-11 so for those couple years of work I think Bush has done a lot for this country, Including lighting up Afghanistan and Iraq. Personally I would rather they attack us in other countries than in the middle of New Your City or Washinton DC. If it wasnt for Slick Willy and his let everyone in policy they never would have gotten in this country in the first place.

Just my 2 cents, now all you liberal bed wetting panzies go find your own Communist country to live in and get the hell out of mine. My vote is still for Bush. Kerry cant even hold his jock.

i agree and disagree with posts by a few, but ill contribute something worthwhile to this post, (heh **** Nader) what does everyone think about the war? i am glad we got saddam as we should have got saddam in 91, and then again in 94, and then again in 98, but clinton was a *****. sure, it ****ed me out of a year of school, but such is life. many many people can now sleep well at night in iraq (not in faluja) without fear of having someone bust in their door in the middle of the night to rape and torture their whole family. investigate saudi arabia? they are practically our only ally in the middle east, we will never **** with saudi arabia.
as for the "liberal media" **** ALL media, they are almost as bad as lawyers. nuff said.

Slim

boss - your mcD's tax analogy is total sh1t.
regardless of whether or not the actual taxable % is the same for all levels of income, the richest still get the biggest break.
This is because the bush 'income' tax doesn't heavily tax all possible forms of income - the most publicized exception are investments.
Now it just so happens that if your last name was Buffet or Gates - more than 50% of your de-facto income would come 'from' investments, not your paid taxable salary.

The above is fact, not opinion, and i don't know any conservatives who disagree with it.
tho there is the question of whether taxing the corporations and wealthy eventually causes problems for the rest of us. Where i stand on this i'm not sure, as there are convincing arguments for both sides.

As for 'lighting up Iraq' (this is also in response to Shady's post) - well i guess that statement just says it all, heh. It was a political and tactical mistake, with a few economic benefits for very few people.

Sure, from a humanitarian standpoint it has had several positive side effects (but if you're expecting gratitude dont hold your breath).

However politics have jack sh1t to do with morals, except when it comes to politicians justifying their actions. Iraq wasn't a pity war.
Personally, i believe it was a tactical move to westernize a central middle eastern country - that could theoretically have gone well. And, theoretically it still can, though its looking unlikely.

yup, if clinton would have done it, im sure the UN would have supported, but since we let **** just go for years, bush's excuse of 9/11 to invade iraq is a weak one at best. needed to be done for many years, but was done for the wrong reasons.

Slim

quote:Originally posted by Boss

One thing that everyone doesnt seem to consider is a simple fact, the policies and actions of a sitting president dont start to show up in the general population or the economy for a period of 3-5 years unless its extremely drastic changes, such as the current war, or the huge tax cuts. Now if you look back at who was president 3-5 years ago it was slick Willie Clinton. The guy who wanted to raise taxes, let everyone in the world into the country cuz its unfair to not help them, the one who wanted socialized medicine in this country, look at Canada, it doesnt work. Then you have the ties to the Black Panthers and the Communist party with Hitlery Clinton who only wanted to give those feel good handouts to anyone for the asking but she is still a Communist and so is Slick Willy. The tax cuts by the way were for everyone, not just the top 10%. Thats like saying 2 guys went into McDonalds for a 20% off sale, one bought a cheezeburger for $1 and saved .20, the other bought 10 and saved $2 so he must be getting a better deal cuz he got more money back. Please, give it a rest, Slick Willy caused the recent downturn in the economy, it was starting to crash the last year he was in office, 9-11 just added more fuel to it because all the idiots in the country turned chicken **** instead of sucking it up and continuing on with their lives. The economy is recovering pretty well since the tax cuts and the unemployment rate is going down and its actually approaching where it was before 9-11 so for those couple years of work I think Bush has done a lot for this country, Including lighting up Afghanistan and Iraq. Personally I would rather they attack us in other countries than in the middle of New Your City or Washinton DC. If it wasnt for Slick Willy and his let everyone in policy they never would have gotten in this country in the first place.

Just my 2 cents, now all you liberal bed wetting panzies go find your own Communist country to live in and get the hell out of mine. My vote is still for Bush. Kerry cant even hold his jock.


The tax cuts were lopsided, the wealthy got bigger cuts percentage-wise. It would be nice if taxes worked the way you posted in the McDonald's example, most politicians call it a "flat tax", which would make your arugment valid. One big problem with your argument is that we do not have a "flat tax" and taxes for the middle-class are higher than the wealthy. How? Due to tax breaks and tax cuts given to the wealthy, but not the middle-class. This concept is called "The Trickle Down Theory" or "Reganomics", but as George Bush Senior called it "Voodoo Economics" it has a better ring to it with that name.

Using your argument about the past presidency causing problems with the current one. We can blame all of Carter's problems on Nixon/Ford? Correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Nixon and Ford use some of the same theories and practices that Bush uses?

The measurement of the unemployment rate is those who collect unemployment, not those who are out of work. So people I know who have been out of work for 2 or 3 years are not counted in those numbers.

I didn't like Slick Willy either, and I did not vote for him. I am not for changing things to socialism. I am for making things equal and fair. I do think that too many people are coming into this county and we need to limit that to have a better chance of finding terrorist sleeper agents.