ok i talk alot of smack sometimes, but its always in fun. some people take **** too seriously. in games/in forums. ****ing A. im really frustrated today and i can see why twars is losing people. i however am going to be strong and still try to do my best and make this a more fun environment for all to play in. i advice this to all people: (this post is great example) if someone calls you out, and it becomes a long drawn out arguement, talk it over on icq or email or just ignore them and dont respond, reading a book is not what people come for when they read forums, they come to learn, ask questions, and talk a little smack, have a lil fun. **** **** **** ****! its a game, its a forum, blah blah WHO CARES! ARG, i just wanna play twars and have FUN! FUN guys, its why its called a GAME not a JOB. it is meant to be ENJOYABLE wether you win or lose, wether you are right or wrong, or wether you dislike people or not, keep it light hearted, blow stuff off, and get over ****! if i can do it so can you! i am done so as to not make it a book

Slim

slim - i agree with 99% of your post content. there are a few mitigating circumstances that favor posting here. A) nobody forces you to read the threads. if you don't want to read them, don't. B) no way in hell i'd want gypsy on my icq list (and i'm damned certain he feels the same way). this is, after all, a forum for public discussion, whether it be cordial or not.

dida, u never responded about the WarIII (that i noticed..) icq my Butt and learn me up in that game, its just collecting dust now

Slim
207-107-486

Slim let them flame on dawg I dont have a life and enjoy, heated debate by people much more intelligent than me. Gets my little grey cells stim ulated to try and figure who is right or wrong or if its just an endless debate either way thanx to all who particapate here. I rather enjoy a good pissing contest heh.

After reading the entire thread I'd like to add a few thoughts. Before the Web became popular and MarTech owned the code for TW before JP bought it I was a CoSysop on the late TLC BBS where I learned the game and got sort of messed over by Animal and his corp.
The Sysop decided to register the game and sent the cash to MarTech and we had no results. It was JP who responded and sent us the key.
During that period I also was downloading all the files that Gyspy wrote to add additional features to the game as well as all the hint and help files such as the Gypsy Manual for the game as well as everything written by Mad Hatter. The BBS was running under WildCat and the sysop had to force it to handle 8 nodes. We had problems and we had a few decent players. Later I played at the late Frogland BBS and it was much better as that server had links to the net. At both of those servers it was JP who was online to help with new issues and also ensure that the keys to latest upgrades were available. Does anyone have an archive link for all the old pre-TWGS files? For those of you who came into the game later and demand immediate perfection I might suggest you are full of it and should take a good laxative and park your butts somewhere you can download your contents!

quote:Originally posted by Slim Shady

dida, u never responded about the WarIII (that i noticed..) icq my Butt and learn me up in that game, its just collecting dust now

Slim
207-107-486


yeh i been meanin to, but i've not been playing wc3 much at all lately; and u wont be learnin nothin from me, i suck at wc3.

quote:Originally posted by Speed Demon

SGO some of the crap you say is just plane hilarious.



Ok which one of my points was "crap" as you put it? Here' I'll recap all of my major points (leaving off my criticism of Rick Mead which really had no place in this discussion at all and was not relevant to the subject at hand).

quote:

John Pritchett has put this game lightyears ahead of what it was when he first started working on it! Furthermore, he continues to bust his butt, and you know what, I have a feeling that there's little financial gain to be had in the endeavor! That's just a su****ion I have.

I would like to say something about the EIS support team.

I've criticized them in the past as well. There's one that I just personally don't like! But, I have to say, these guys are VOLUNTEERS. They do not get anything out of it, except personal satisfaction!

How dare anyone criticize them?



Now which statement here was "crap" in your estimation?

Notice how I defend not only JP but the EIS team, and what do I get for it? I get a sarcastic quip from Gypsy with a partial quote from me (out of context) saying "I have no clue what you are talking about" and his comment "welcome back."

Ok, here's another one, which one of these statements is "crap?"


quote:
I can't IMAGINE anyone else but JP controlling this game developement! Things are rocky right now, but you watch and see.

Sgo
You're doing fine, and I have only heard one complaint thus far about the "public" beta testing this game! Most Sysops are thrilled to be a part of it, and most of the seasoned players enjoy it as well!

I think it should be said this is a TEXT ONLY based game that is NOT a Mudd! Look how alive and well the gamers and systems are that run this game! I think that says it all. TLord is dead, no one seems to even know who owns it anymore! Most of the other text based action games as well are dead dead dead! Twars lives on and it's because of the Eis team and John Pritchett! Let's not forget that!


I believe if you take the time to re read his posts you will find he has not said the things you claim, and you are twisting his words a lot! His sarcasm, indeed, does imply that he considers the form of quality pre-testing is just a "myth." I see your point there, but you know what, he doesn't really believe that, he's just sarcastic!

What he has said, about JP though, I agree with. The man is doing a bang up job considering that he's working alone and for very little financial compensation. (If you think the TWGS brings him a lot of money, you really aren't out there on the net looking around. The number of active TWGS servers are, by comparison to other game sites, miniscule! Most of the TWG Servers out there have been registered for a long time!

I really want to know, since you seem to feel free to generalize and criticize what I say, generally, yet you leave no specifics. Tell me, which of the next statements do you consider "crap" and "hilarious?"

quote:I would like to modify that just a bit. JP gives a Darn what is said, and he has made changes based on threads and posts. What JP doesn't give a Darn about people who criticize his work on this game. I have to say, I don't blame him, because after all, it IS his game isn't it, and no one has stepped up to give him any advice (if there is a better way to do this or that). Well, maybe Gypsy has, but like I said, after reading his posts I can just imagine how "helpful" his suggestions have been!

quote:
I like John Pritchett, as a human being, and as a game designer. I've spoken to him many times. The reason I like him is because he's doing all of what he does with very little thanks, and small reward! That sort of thing appeals to me as a human being. It's like the sysop who ran a BBS for years, allowing people to have free email and in some cases free internet (if it was a world group site). The guy would be up for 12 hours working on his board on a Saturday night, and what for, because he liked people!

John Pritchett likes people, I can assure you of that, and I believe that is his motivating force behind what he does. It's just a shame that people like Rick Meade surround the guy like gadflies, and he's too good natured to tell them to go get lost.

That's my take on this whole thing. And you know what, I feel a hundred times better getting this off my chest.

You know what *I* find extremely hilarious is how certain people in this forum can find a way to criticize and never offer any proof of their criticism, and they can judge you and your words, even when your words are positive and constructive.

quote:Originally posted by Speed Demon

I’m starting to think you just like to argue no mater how stupid the argument is.


Which one of the above arguments is "stupid" in your estimation? I just want us all to be clear on where you stand on this issue. There's nothing worse than a USELESS post where you put your two cents worth in, but never really reveal where you stand!

If you agree with all of what I said in the above quotes, then the only thing we can conclude is your criticism was aimed at my posts concerning Gypsy! I'd like to know that, too. In fact, if there's anything I've said on that subject that any of you have PROOF is not true, or is "stupid" or is "crap," I'd like to see the EVIDENCE!!!

If you CAN'T DISPROVE it, then your protests are just empty and HOT AIR!

I've been playing this game for a very long time, and I helped Beta test not only the current Gold version, but the TWGS itself! I had some input into some of the features you now see in the game!

Where were YOU????

What have YOU contributed to this game or this issue except empty insults with NO SUBSTANCE?

dida i guarantee i am worse, heh. i cant even beat the computer off bnet. heh

Slim

Lol exactly what I meant SGO I put that in there thinking you would take it for what it said and not read to much into it and write me a two page response saying that I was stupid and had no place giving my opinion. Let me rephrase that comment for you and please don’t read too much into it.

SGO some of the stuff you say makes me laugh and I think you like to argue just to argue.

Is that better SGO? Or should I just delete the whole post because compared to you I’m just a peon who knows nothing about anything and should not give an opinion about anything. Right?

As for me getting into a flame war with you its not going to happen I neither have the time nor the desire dig thou the forums to prove any point. So your right SGO I’m full of hot air and I don’t know what in the hell I’m talking about. That’s the reason why I don’t post to the forums because peeps like you read too much into what others are saying twist there words around and get all bent out of shape.

I’m glad you have been around so long playing Tradewars and all that. You must be a much better player then I am and have a way better grasp on the game mechanics then I do. As for where I have been all these years busy living my real life sorry buddy but that has been way more important then playing a game my real life has left me with very little time to invest in gaming till now.

Now I’ll end this with a quote someone once told me. Arguing on the Internet is like being in the Special Olympics. It don’t matter who wins your both still retarded.

Lighten up buddy!

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord
Secondly, I don't need any knowledge of economics to know if a politician's economic policies are "****ed" up!

[:O]

Never before have I seen anyone put their foot so far inside their own mouth in a single sentence. I'm sorry man, I had some respect for you up until this point, but the applied economist in me just couldn't ignore that one.

quote:Originally posted by Speed Demon

Lol exactly what I meant SGO I put that in there thinking you would take it for what it said and not read to much into it and write me a two page response saying that I was stupid and had no place giving my opinion. Let me rephrase that comment for you and please don’t read too much into it.

Let me back scroll and see where I called you stupid. Here I'll use my word find feature, it's quicker. Hmmm. Never said it, didn't think so! Now who's putting words into who's mouth?

quote:
SGO some of the stuff you say makes me laugh and I think you like to argue just to argue.

Wow! We have that in common, almost everything I say in these forums makes me laff, and yes, I do argue just to argue. You see, I'm sick when it comes to that. I can't help myself, and some of the people here are just too easy a target

quote:
Is that better SGO? Or should I just delete the whole post because compared to you I’m just a peon who knows nothing about anything and should not give an opinion about anything. Right?

You know I'm sorry I came off like that with you. It was unwarranted, and I deeply apologize!
quote:
So your right SGO I’m full of hot air and I don’t know what in the hell I’m talking about. That’s the reason why I don’t post to the forums because peeps like you read too much into what others are saying twist there words around and get all bent out of shape.

I'm sorry I said you were full of hot air, what I really meant to say was that your calling my posts "crap" were nothing but hot air with no explanation about what makes them crap.

quote:
You must be a much better player then I am and have a way better grasp on the game mechanics then I do.

Now, you know better than that, so I am quite sure you are being sarcastic. I've played against you and I didn't live very long, so, heh. Dude, I never claimed to be an "elite" player! You can't find one post where I did this, nor can you find one post where I claimed to have any grasp of "game mechanics." I know the menus, does that count? I know how each of the features works, heck I even know exactly how the offensive fighters work now!

This subject of this string has nothing to do with how well of a player you are. How many years you've been playing has nothing to do with it either. It's just plain irrelevant. In fact, I believe that most of the people here automatically assume that if you don't run MEGA scripting and macros, and don't become an expert in locking the game down in 2 days, that you your opinion on anything else pertaining to the game is nothing!

They can live in that deluded reality if they want to, you seem like you have too good of a head on your shoulders to go there!

quote:
Arguing on the Internet is like being in the Special Olympics. It don’t matter who wins your both still retarded.

I love that quote! Thanks.

quote:Originally posted by gatewaysysop

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord
Secondly, I don't need any knowledge of economics to know if a politician's economic policies are "****ed" up!

[:O]

Never before have I seen anyone put their foot so far inside their own mouth in a single sentence. I'm sorry man, I had some respect for you up until this point, but the applied economist in me just couldn't ignore that one.


I don't believe that I did! It does not take a genius economist to go down to the grocery store, or take a ride down a dilapitated highway, or look at the TRILLION DOLLAR debt, or see the sad state of Social Security, or inflation, or the rising cost of living, or the sad state of health care in this country and figure out that our politician's economics are ****ED UP!

C'mon man, let's get real!

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord

quote:Originally posted by gatewaysysop

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord
Secondly, I don't need any knowledge of economics to know if a politician's economic policies are "****ed" up!

[:O]

Never before have I seen anyone put their foot so far inside their own mouth in a single sentence. I'm sorry man, I had some respect for you up until this point, but the applied economist in me just couldn't ignore that one.


I don't believe that I did! It does not take a genius economist to go down to the grocery store, or take a ride down a dilapitated highway, or look at the TRILLION DOLLAR debt, or see the sad state of Social Security, or inflation, or the rising cost of living, or the sad state of health care in this country and figure out that our politician's economics are ****ED UP!

C'mon man, let's get real!


Ordinarily I'd say something, but nobody here cares about economics (including me at this hour). Besides that, you know what they say about having a battle of wits with the unarmed. [;)]

Nice flamewar. I havent posted on here for quite some time. I usually only come by when i break something. Anyway...

quote:Originally posted by John Pritchett (EIS)
Here are the choices. If I write the game from scratch, I'm going to have to charge a new fee for registrations. If I'm going to just give it away, I'm going to continue making fixes and changes to the existing code base. Unless I just get a thrill from writing the game from scratch, there's no incentive for me to do that. That's the reality. And the reason I'm releasing this as v4 instead of just a new revision of v3 like I was originally planning is to appease some of the players who don't want to see gameplay problems fixed, only bugs.

I for one am very interested in the much talked about v4 for a few reasons. Mainly id be extremely interested in a linux version to run on my colocated box. Not sure if thats still planned, but once upon a time i heard it was.

I would have no problems with registering for a new tricked-out game. Perhaps a slightly discounted price for those of us that already have registrations for TWGS, TW2002 and TWG, but thats not necessary, i would buy it anyway.

Ive only seen death by bug once on my server. Mainly because people that play on my server play for just kicking back and having a good time. Our games stretch into the months range, which tempts the demon of the corruption to pay a visit, but hey. My players dont run the game full-out, its mainly people just wandering around trading *gasp* manually...

If and when I do get around to starting my own system (which has been planned for many years now) I would have no problem paying for a brand new version of TWARS modernized and more stable.

Let's here from everyone else on this. Perhaps a new string.

Who's in favor of buying new reg codes for a brand new twars written in modern coding?