yea i remember the good ole days. I would wait for a good thunderstorm, fire up my telsa coil. Hook my jumper cable to my 300 baud modem. turn on my powerhouse 8086. Get online, turn on my pedal singer sowing machine. oh no switch on it <blush>. Log on to the good ole days bbs, play my 1000sect, 100 turns tw game. oh no while i was waiting to get online. someone blew up my ship. <sigh> try again tomorrow.

The thread has wandered OT but thats ok I guess, it's smack. My primary point: Scripts and helpers are the same, in terms of results.
Secondarily: Helper use can ALWAYS be detected and verified, script usage cannot.

quote:Originally posted by PHX

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh
ROFLMAO.
I'm a newbie? Been playing on and off since 1989, more or less continuously since '97. Never used a helper. Res, last time I heard, never used one either, just macros. Same for HellCat. 2 more newbies? That's the tip of an iceberg. Dozens of us, maybe hundreds, do not use helpers and newbies we ain't. I have nothing against helper use - it does not make a good player out of a bad one, which is a common misconception. Just allows bad players to lose faster, laff.



I to use macros for alot of things but when it comes to making cash ingame, you just cant beat a helper/script. Its to tedious a job and if any of the named people actually do this they probably don't have a girlfriend/wife other than rosy red palmer. So these people depend on what to make money ingame...corpies...who are using...scripts? Now in extremely low turn games it is feesible but still would be an annoying task. rebute...

Darn, I gotta try that. I take one of the wife's grapefruits from the fridge, root around the house for a couple dissimilar metals and go from there

quote:Originally posted by Tradewarrior55

yea i remember the good ole days. I would wait for a good thunderstorm, fire up my telsa coil. Hook my jumper cable to my 300 baud modem. turn on my powerhouse 8086. Get online, turn on my pedal singer sowing machine. oh no switch on it <blush>. Log on to the good ole days bbs, play my 1000sect, 100 turns tw game. oh no while i was waiting to get online. someone blew up my ship. <sigh> try again tomorrow.

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh

The thread has wandered OT but thats ok I guess, it's smack. My primary point: Scripts and helpers are the same, in terms of results.
Secondarily: Helper use can ALWAYS be detected and verified, script usage cannot.

quote:Originally posted by PHX

quote:Originally posted by Kavanagh
ROFLMAO.
I'm a newbie? Been playing on and off since 1989, more or less continuously since '97. Never used a helper. Res, last time I heard, never used one either, just macros. Same for HellCat. 2 more newbies? That's the tip of an iceberg. Dozens of us, maybe hundreds, do not use helpers and newbies we ain't. I have nothing against helper use - it does not make a good player out of a bad one, which is a common misconception. Just allows bad players to lose faster, laff.



I to use macros for alot of things but when it comes to making cash ingame, you just cant beat a helper/script. Its to tedious a job and if any of the named people actually do this they probably don't have a girlfriend/wife other than rosy red palmer. So these people depend on what to make money ingame...corpies...who are using...scripts? Now in extremely low turn games it is feesible but still would be an annoying task. rebute...



Explain...

quote:Originally posted by Harley Nuss (teamEIS)

quote:Originally posted by gatewaysysop

quote:Originally posted by Strider_2001
The elites use helpers thats y they are elites...


[:O]

In all honesty I have to say that I never thought someone would actually come out and say this. Wow.


The reason that isn't often said is because it just displays the ignorance of the person who said it. The people who are truly good at this game aren't good because of any script or helper.

Reason i said this is because if someone went up again any elite and they were using a helper and the elite was not...9 times out of 10 the person using the helper would win...Expecially in an unlimited turn game like we are talking about now

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector

quote:
There are a lot of respected game ops who post right here regularly who play on their own server! I just don't get you objection.


I have watched others diss you on here and have always kept my thoughts to myself, but if you seriously are going to post stupid crap like that then you arent very smart. Let me break it down for you:

I enter game
I worldtrade
He watches ME worldtrade while playing in the same game
He boots me and takes my stuff away because he doesnt have access to a worldtrade script
He WATCHES me some more



First, let me just say that "attack" was completely unwaranted. Here's why. I simply said "I don't see the objection." That does not mean the objection you make isn't valid, it simply means that I don't see it. That simply could be my lack of understanding, but, it is SMACK TALK so I guess if you want to attack someone just for the fun of it, that's your perogative.

My second question therefore, to you, sir is this:

Are you suggesting that just because a Gameop plays on his own system, he's a cheater? My limited experience and my sense of logic compells me to say that is wrong.

Here's how your logic breaks down:

"Joe sysop uses the editor and cheats when they are playing on their own system. Bill is a sysop who plays on his own system. Therefore, Bill uses the editor and cheats."

You're original statement was "I won't play on a system where the sysop plays his own game." Thus, more than implying that all Sysops do this when they play their own system.

Here's an example of why your logic doesn't work.

"Craig Mitchell, CEO of Hammond Corporation, used his authority to rape the Corporate Retirement Funds. Therefore, all CEO's with access to Corporate Retirement Funds are thieves, and I won't work there."
quote:
I would think that someone with your self-proclaimed "knowledge" would understand that is, uh, cheating. Of course, being the "god" of tw that you try to assert that you are I can understand overlooking that simple little fact.


Can you do me a favor please. Forward to me the links in these forums or any other where I proclaimed myself an expert in the game, or where I claimed to be a "God" of tradewars. Most people actually take the time to READ my posts, and those are the ones that know your accusation is completely unfounded.

For example, what "self proclaimed" God of twars would make the following statement?

"Slim, don't gloat too hard over killing me, everyone knows I'm one of the easiest people to kill in this game."

That's an actual post I made, and it's one among many that demonstrate that you are completely misconstruing, and misrepresenting my postings!

quote:

BTW, macros are the same thing as scripts when trading...they make it less monotonous, quicker, easier, etc. It is all the same. I apologize that you have no life and dont mind playing an unlimited game and ppting by hand or macro, but it isnt for me.


In the sense that you have depicted Macros, yes, in that way they perform the same "purpose" as a script. However, they are not the same. Not really. Scripts do a large degree of "thinking" and "reacting" to changes in the game that a Macro can never do, at least I haven't figured out a way to make Macros do it (perhaps you have and I'm impressed if so).

Someone said that this String is "off track." I don't see it that way. The original post accused a sysop of cheating because he plays on his own system. Vid Kid plays on his own system too! Does that mean he's a cheater? After probably 8 hours total on ICQ with him, I seriously doubt that he does. I would play his system any day, and trust him not to cheat.

The other point of the original post was to say that it's ludicrous to have a game that is "no scripts allowed." You are certainly entitled to that opinion, of course, yet in the context of that argument, the argument was posed that if scripts should be banned in a game, then so should Macros.

I respectfully and humbly disagree, and I know few "old school" players who, if they saw me writing a macro in the game would call me a "scripter." I've never been a scripter. I have, of late, been attempting to learn to use them to hopefully actually compete, but, I'm somewhat of a slow learner in the area of software manipulation (as most can see by my sometimes ludicrous questions in the forums concerning Gold Edits).

I just like to play the game, and I love to express my opinions on things pertaining to the game.

I want to propose something to you Bone Collector. Perhaps your accusations that I "proclaim myself" a God of Twars is nothing more than mere "transference."

Let me explain. Perhaps your posts, where you are strongly opinionated on a certain subject, are motivated by the fact that you believe yourself to be a "God" of Twars, and an expert. Therefore, you just naturally assume that when I post a strongly opinionated forum entry, I am doing that out of the same motivation as you.

Well, let me tell you. It's not true. I post strongly worded opinions about things simply because I like to express my opinion, that's all. I believe that is what forums are for (especially Smack Talk). When I feel in the mood to voice myself, I come here. I usually enjoy it. What I like the most is when my opinion I've expressed is based on an unfounded premise, due to my lack of understanding, and someone points this out! Why? Because then I walk away with a better understanding of the subject. It's an extremely effective way to learn.

I leave you with these words.

"Correct a wise man and he will love you. Correct a fool, and he will probably try to kill you."

Have a fine Tradewars game.

P.S. (My doctor changed my pain medication, can you tell?)

I think the whole "God" reference comes fom the fact that you state "facts" and often, when corrected, tell the correcter they are wrong i.e. offensive figs. I mean...when you tell Kempere3 he is just dead WRONG, you obviously think you are very knowledgeable.

quote:Originally posted by Rofellos

I think the whole "God" reference comes fom the fact that you state "facts" and often, when corrected, tell the correcter they are wrong i.e. offensive figs. I mean...when you tell Kempere3 he is just dead WRONG, you obviously think you are very knowledgeable.


or maybe people are just getting tired of calling him an idiot and are trying to come up with something new...

i think an appropriate quote to add at this juncture would be:

Gutei's Finger

Whenever anyone asked him about Zen, the great master Gutei would quietly raise one finger into the air. A boy in the village began to imitate this behavior. Whenever he heard people talking about Gutei's teachings, he would interrupt the discussion and raise his finger. Gutei heard about the boy's mischief. When he saw him in the street, he seized him and cut off his finger. The boy cried and began to run off, but Gutei called out to him. When the boy turned to look, Gutei raised his finger into the air. At that moment the boy became enlightened.


anywho, i think if you look at the truely good sysops, they will not play on their own system for a few reasons.
1)to avoid suspision
2)to avoid temptation
3)to be 100% unbaised in anything that arises on their server
4)playin on your own server, it is very hard not to get even a little advantage, say that people in game have requirements of the sysop in game, yet the sysop is also activly playing.. to fix/see what the players are talking about the sysop will find out where the opponents base is, so he can A)quit playing and help, or B)just not help them or C)help and keep playing with the huge advantage
you essentially have to play with your eyes closed, but then you can't perform your proper duties as a sysop.
THAT is why the top of the list sysops do not play on their own server. when they play games, they want to play 100%, and when they do their sysop duties, they will do that 110%.
BUT thats just what i think (even though im right, heh)

Slim

quote:[i]First, let me just say that "attack" was completely unwaranted. Here's why. I simply said "I don't see the objection." That does not mean the objection you make isn't valid, it simply means that I don't see it. That simply could be my lack of understanding, but, it is SMACK TALK so I guess if you want to attack someone just for the fun of it, that's your perogative.

Ok, first let me help you out. When you question my thinking with absolutely NO knowledge then it irritates me. It makes ME think you are sticking up for an idiot sysop who has shown he is a cheater when I am doing people like YOU a favor. I warned you to stay away. How difficult is it to read that post and say "Hmmm, bone says the guy cheated so maybe I better read on and figure out why he thinks that." Instead you read letter A of my post and went "Hmmm, he just thinks he got cheated because the sysop plays on his own system." Instead of reading my post in its entirety, you chose to read one part and reply with "I dont get it." If you had simply read my post you would understand that the sysop WATCHED MY NODE WHILE I WAS PLAYING!!!! Get it now?

quote:
Are you suggesting that just because a Gameop plays on his own system, he's a cheater? My limited experience and my sense of logic compells me to say that is wrong.

Here's how your logic breaks down:

"Joe sysop uses the editor and cheats when they are playing on their own system. Bill is a sysop who plays on his own system. Therefore, Bill uses the editor and cheats."

No, my logic said he watched my node therefore HE cheats.

quote:
You're original statement was "I won't play on a system where the sysop plays his own game." Thus, more than implying that all Sysops do this when they play their own system.

Perhaps a lesson in reading comprehension is due. I never said any such thing. Re-read and I think you owe me an apology.

quote:
Can you do me a favor please. Forward to me the links in these forums or any other where I proclaimed myself an expert in the game, or where I claimed to be a "God" of tradewars. Most people actually take the time to READ my posts, and those are the ones that know your accusation is completely unfounded.

Well, simply refer to the VERY FIRST POST I READ OF YOURS. You talk like the people who KNOW this game are wrong about things all the time. Your tone indicates you have a complex with being proven wrong, which to me, indicates you have a "god" personality. Below are a couple of links to threads in which your tone has irritated others besides me.

http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12324
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12370 (here you were proven wrong and then kinda apologized.)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12256 (proven wrong while acting like you know more than you do)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12372 (Here you implied someone asked a silly question)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12347 (Here you corrected someone's grammar in a way that belittled them)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12041 (Here you accused someone of cheating only to come back later and say you were wrong.)

Any questions?



quote:
In the sense that you have depicted Macros, yes, in that way they perform the same "purpose" as a script. However, they are not the same. Not really. Scripts do a large degree of "thinking" and "reacting" to changes in the game that a Macro can never do, at least I haven't figured out a way to make Macros do it (perhaps you have and I'm impressed if so).

No, I meant to PPT I can use a macro the same way. The only difference is that I dont have to go through the monotony of finding the pairs myself. My widely available worldtrade script does it for me.

quote:
Someone said that this String is "off track." I don't see it that way. The original post accused a sysop of cheating because he plays on his own system. Vid Kid plays on his own system too! Does that mean he's a cheater? After probably 8 hours total on ICQ with him, I seriously doubt that he does. I would play his system any day, and trust him not to cheat.

Actually he was accused of cheating because he was, uh, cheating. Spying on a node in which you are a participant is cheating. Questions?

quote:
The other point of the original post was to say that it's ludicrous to have a game that is "no scripts allowed." You are certainly entitled to that opinion, of course, yet in the context of that argument, the argument was posed that if scripts should be banned in a game, then so should Macros.

I never said that. I said that it was IMPOSSIBLE to police script use 24/7. So you are in game and you can play while sysop is sleeping and I cant...do you think you have gained an advantage? Why even try to make a rule you cant enforce. The sysop only did it because he either is too lazy to learn twx or because he cant afford it. Either way, I wont be there to find out.




quote:I want to propose something to you Bone Collector. Perhaps your accusations that I "proclaim myself" a God of Twars is nothing more than mere "transference."

I never claimed to be a god, only better and more knowledgeable than YOU.

quote:
Well, let me tell you. It's not true. I post strongly worded opinions about things simply because I like to express my opinion, that's all. I believe that is what forums are for (especially Smack Talk). When I feel in the mood to voice myself, I come here. I usually enjoy it. What I like the most is when my opinion I've expressed is based on an unfounded premise, due to my lack of understanding, and someone points this out! Why?

I understand this, but you are obviously not up on the rules of putting yourself out there publicly. I would bet you vote democrat. When you say something in public that is, I am trying to think of a nice word, idiotic (ok, i gave up) then you have to be ready to take the shots that are fired your way. You speak in this paragraph about how you enjoy stating your opinions, but yet you get upset when someone else does the same. My opinion was that you were posting in a way to make my gripes about being cheated untrue. Therefore, I posted my strongly worded opinion. If you have a problem with the perceived "attack" perhaps you should be more careful about what you put out there for others to see and read. As for the last part of that post it is very obvious that you do indeed like to be corrected as it happens very frequently on here. (sorry I couldnt resist)

laff







LokI is powering up weapons systems!

quote: I would bet you vote democrat.

good for him, cause republicans are idiots

well, maybe not all republicans
only republicans who make childish generalizations are idiots


heh
/end irony

quote:Originally posted by Strider_2001
Reason i said this is because if someone went up again any elite and they were using a helper and the elite was not...9 times out of 10 the person using the helper would win...Expecially in an unlimited turn game like we are talking about now

That is false logic. Regardless of whether or not your statement is true (and I have serious doubts as to the validity of it), the question of who is an "elite" can not be determined by giving them an arbitrary handicap. The true test of skill is to put players on equal footing. If an "elite" can beat someone if neither of them is using any sort of helpers or scripts, then obviously it is not the helpers or scripts that make them the better player, but just that they are inherently better. The quality of your tools can make a difference, but all the tools in the world won't help someone who doesn't know how to use them.

"Below are a couple of links to threads in which your tone has irritated others besides me.

http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12324
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12370 (here you were proven wrong and then kinda apologized.)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12256 (proven wrong while acting like you know more than you do)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12372 (Here you implied someone asked a silly question)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12347 (Here you corrected someone's grammar in a way that belittled them)
http://www.eisonline.com/twforum/topic. ... C_ID=12041 (Here you accused someone of cheating only to come back later and say you were wrong.)

Any questions?"
LOL, me thinks Bone came prepared, heh.

as to harley N strider, well i am elite and i use a helper.. am i elite because i use it or because i am inherintly kick Butt? (or just because i said it which doesnt make it true.. heh)

Slim

ELITE i thought you said a leek you know from the onion family thin skinned. lol Shady you DAWG.