Most likely a mistake, but I decided to venture out of my normal realm of servers and give this one a shot. Why I would want to play in a ship delay, steal delay, probe delay, unlimited game I will never know. I went in and playing solo took almost all the people in the game out in about 3 hours. I got most of them with a twarp attack script, but alot of them I took out because they were using such predictable scripts. The ships are outrageously expensive and DEFENSIVE so it took me a while longer than it should have. My problem here is that a person in game told me "The sysop was pissed at you for doing what you did." I couldnt figure out what it was until the next day when he asked me what script I was using. I explained at first a twarp attack, but that would not catch anyone worth a crap so I went to a twarp photon with no photons to get me close then warped in on them in my faster ship to kill them.

I now read in the other forum that a new game is starting on this server, just like the old game, and that NO HEAVY ATTACK SCRIPTS are allowed. Most of the elite players use twgs.org to converse with each other on topics such as these, but I am curious what the need for any such rule is? I figure that mostly newbs come on here and most of them venture into unlimited type games so I am wondering WHY do you guys need rules like this? Are all servers going to eventually go to unenforceable rules such as this? I just wanted to hear the following:

1. Why are rules like this needed?
2. What made you try a rule like this outlaw?
3. Is there any way to enforce this rule?
4. Why would a sysop not understand how someone could kill everyone in a game in 4 hours?
5. What punishment will be provided to rule breakers and HOW do you plan on knowing they broke the rules?

I am not being confrontational here, but am curious about the above. Everyone is welcome to sound off and I dont want to turn this into a flame war. In outlaw's defense I think he means that only on new games are no heavy attack scripts allowed. If not, please make that clear. Finally, why is your server down?

Ummm what is a heavy attack script?I know what a normal one is lol.I dont get it.If you are in a game and you see an elite player on,you should know an attack is coming heh.If he wants a game like that and he makes it and posts it,then that is cool.But I see your point BC.

Heyo BC. Just taking a shot in the dark here...going out on a limb, etc... They put no attack rules on some games, so that the people who haven't mastered PPT'ing have a chance to learn how before they get killed. [:D]

Seriously tho, Outlaw, I think a no heavy attack script rule is totally unenforcable. You can enforce a no podding/#SD# rule ok, since that shows up in the logs. But how do you tell the difference between a script and a well written macro? I think macros are far more deadly than scripts anyway.

When a sysop tries to set up rules most are not enforcable. They hope it lets those that come to play the style of game play wanted, at the server.
In this case he set no rules, BC comes in and is able due to his skills to do a good job of taking over the game. Outlaw didnt want this, and to his credit he didnt give a knee jerk reaction as sometimes happens and just banged a game with restrictions to try and get the style play he wants his server to be known for. I can give pros and cons for this but its not my server. Of cource when BC see's what happens he is wondering What did i do wrong. Well nothing BC you played the game as it was ment to be and no restrictions were in place. And your questions were not posted in a negative manner, and are fair in mho.
So I guess where my rambling is trying to go is
1. BC did nothing wrong.
2. others playing there did not like what he did, and are probly not used to this level play.
3. Outlaw in trying to please all involved just banged another game in the guidelines he wants.
4. Although many of his guidelines(restrictions) may not be enforcable or clearly spelled out. but it seems to me what his desires are, lowlevel and intermediant play. (and this is not a slam to the players its just a description of a type of play.
5. BC will be aloud to continue his play in the game he is in but his stlye is not welcome in the restricted game. and I didnot say he was not welcome, just his style.
6. So my 2 cents is BC probly dont want to play there, and as he said with the delays it probly was not all that much fun, except the killing he did which is alot of fun .

I would not play with those settings or restrictions my self. I dont put Outlaw down for them I just dont like them. and think they are uneforcable, and only work if all involved work on the honor system.

I hope it all works out ok. BTW if i ever see BC in a game against me I am pretty sure i will die, but thats part of the game, he is Darn good.

I thought this server was also FAMILY SERVER no RES types allowed?

hehe

Res Judicata

Hey, now I know who podded/ #sd#'d me. Thanks BC. It was bugging me. Wasn't expecting someone like you there. Hope my 4 mil helped you out. Think you got me in about 2.5 hours or so. Just as I was going to SD to get me a better ship.

As for whether it was fair or not, course it was. I was being stupid since no one had shown up there before that was really all that good. Was kinda put off by the delay's myself so I didn't bother trying to come back. Not sure what Outlaw is doing there since the delays are there/not there just about every other game.

Yeah I could tell that noone was trying to avoid being killed. It was somewhat obvious that most players werent at keys when i got them. My problem was not with the delays (though I hate them), but was curious how he expects to enforce these new rules.

Obviously I have been away for awhile [:)] cause I haven't responded...

As to your question, Bone Collector, I don't expect to enforce the rules as I obviously cannot be watching everyone all of the time. I had no objections to your attack script (considering it was doing most of the work [;}]) but I do expect my players to watch the game for me. They let me know when something is amiss. As far as the game you were in, I let you run it and have fun. I created the new game for the players who felt cheated on just starting in the game and getting wiped out in such a little time, and that was the only place the rule was in effect. So far it is going good and the players are responding well to obeying the rules.


As far as me asking what script you were using, I was merely curious, as I was watching as many players as I could when I opened the game and was amazed by how well you were doing, and I wanted a script like that for games I will play in the future.

As to your statement of "Most likely a mistake, but I decided to venture out of my normal realm of servers and give this one a shot. Why I would want to play in a ship delay, steal delay, probe delay, unlimited game I will never know. I went in and playing solo took almost all the people in the game out in about 3 hours." you wanted to make a statement about my idea of a slow moving game... You really impressed me. I couldn't believe that someone could come in and in roughly two hours wipe out a sum of 20 or so people.

I will be making another game like this when I re-install my system, and I hope you will come back and play.


And also, Res, why wouldn't you be allowed??

Outlaw, let me stress again I was not at all upset by what you did, simply curious. You handled the situation in a very good manner as instead of coming in game and trying to ADD rules you simply banged another game. I really respected that. However, anytime I see a rule like no heavy attack scripts it sends up a signal to me that a sysop is opening himself up to being flamed on here. It is almost impossible to enforce rules like that and if you consider something an attack script, someone else might not. Just my thoughts on that issue.

The main point of my post was to inquire WHY people would have a problem with using scripts. There is a proliferation of scripts available for both free and a fee. If you are new to the game, I suggest you check out CK's script pack or if you cant afford it, give me a holler as I can script very basic things like a twarp attack script. There is NO reason for everyone playing tw today to NOT have scripts like these. Look around or befriend a veteran and most will share the basic scripts like TWARP attack.

Arent all games main goals to Win by any way possible.. The only rule I think should be in place in Unlimited games is a Truce for 1 to 3 days. and thats it after thats its free game.