Sorry if i'm posting this in the wrong forum.. seemed to fit my mood.

I've been playing around on a few small tradwars server, running my own in the process.

I've found the sysop of one of these small servers cheating outragesouly in the game.

At first, it was all "fishy" but nothing definiat.

The level 3 citadel that apeared overnight in his base that he started 3 days ago did it in for me. (i invaded him today)

I'll admit i was playing a second character for exploration reasons (not enough people to form proper corps). But i stayed within the constraints of the game

But this goes beyond.

Other then quiting the server, what would you's recommend i do?
(i do find it ironic that i was STILL kicking his butt even though he cheated....)

L3 cits in 3 days are possible

You were duping tho? Is that fair on said server?

Where is this server located?

Graz

Post, telling all the things found for a real review of "is it possible"

level 3 in 3 days? i'd like to know how that is possible withing the game.

I'll start from logs

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daily Journal S.D. 01/06/16 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= End Daily Journal =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
XXXXX took radiation damage attacking Deshjich Qaepguach
XXXXX DESTROYED Deshjich Qaepguach's Assault Trader!
XXXXX DESTROYED Ximi Heochor's Merchant Cruiser!
XXXXX captured Thaxi Chaudeth's BattleShip!
Matridom was attacked by XXXXX's fighters! <-- 35,000 fighters
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's CargoTran!
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's BattleShip!
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's Corporate FlagShip! <-- 800 fighters
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's *** Escape Pod ***!
-- I had striped here to invade his planets, none had citadels, 1 was started
--the next day..

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daily Journal S.D. 01/07/16 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's Scout Marauder! <-- i set a trap for him and killed him the next day
XXXXX DESTROYED the planet WV! <-- he destroyed his own planets
XXXXX DESTROYED the planet XXXXXRock!
XXXXX DESTROYED the planet Jobber!
XXXXX DESTROYED the planet V!
XXXXX's Merchant Cruiser was destroyed by mines! <-- how did a cruiser get through2 sectors of 97% nav haz, and 2 sectors of 250 mines?
it was (97% haz)(97% haz, 250 mines)(250 mines 5000 fighter, planets) the third sector killed him. no distrupters where used
XXXXX's *** Escape Pod *** was destroyed by collision with a Navigational Hazard!

--At this time, i check the "S" status as i do daily, 9 citadels are in the game, Ferrengal, and 8 cits that i own (1 lvl4, 5 lvl 3, 2 lvl 2 and 1 lvl 1)

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daily Journal S.D. 01/09/16 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's Merchant Cruiser! <-- I caught him at stardock in a cruiser with 400 shields and 2500 fighters
-- Again, 9 citadels in the game
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Daily Journal S.D. 01/10/16 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Matridom launched a Photon Missile somewhere!
Matridom launched a Photon Missile somewhere!
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's Tholian Sentinel! <-- 100 fighters, 4000 shields
Matridom DESTROYED XXXXX's *** Escape Pod ***!
"Death is the Bride of the Warrior. Your mother was a trout, Matridom", slings XXXXX.
Matridom launched a Photon Missile somewhere!
Matridom invaded sandbox!
Matridom invaded spew!
Matridom was attacked by XXXXX's fighters! <-- 35,000 fighters
Matridom DESTROYED Corp #2's Corporate FlagShip! <-- 800 fighters, 1500 shields

Log does not show the 250 mines that where there.

Planet #12 in sector 1310: sandbox
Class K, Desert wasteland
Created by: XXXXX
Claimed by: Traders Inc [1]

Item Colonists Colonists Daily Planet Ship Planet
(1000s) 2 Build 1 Product Amount Amount Maximum
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
Fuel Ore--1,175---2--587-116---150---200,000
Organics------0-100----0---0-----0-----50,000
Equipment-----0-500----0---0-----0-----10,000
Fighters----N/A--30---39---2-1,637--1,000,000

Planet has a level 3 Citadel, treasury contains 0 credits.
Military reaction=100%, QCannon power=0%, AtmosLvl=100%, SectLvl=100%

Planet #25 in sector 1310: spew
Class H, Volcanic
Created by: XXXXX
Claimed by: Traders Inc [1]

Item Colonists Colonists Daily Planet Ship Planet
(1000s) 2 Build 1 Product Amount Amount Maximum
------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------
Fuel Ore--1,725---1---1,725--1,634--150-----1,000,000
Organics------0--N/A------0-------0---0--------10,000
Equipment-----0--500------0-------0---0-------100,000
Fighters----N/A---50-----34-------3---1,637-1,000,000

Planet has a level 2 Citadel, treasury contains 0 credits.
Military reaction=100%

Did i mention that not a single port in the area had been traded at.. ever?

and game settings..

Version : 3.11.55 Host type : TWGS
Age of game : 26 days Days since BIGBANG : 26 days
Delete if idle : 30 days

Players in game : 7 of max 200 Percent good : 71%
Ports in game : 3087 of max 3250 Value of ports : 4641946
Planets in game : 70 of max 1000 Percent w/ Citadels : 18%
Ships in game : 10 of max 800 Corps in game : 5
Figs in game : 144834 Mines in game : 1185

Game type : Open Turns per day : 1000
Planetary Trade %: 60% Steal from BUY port : Yes
Initial fighters : 30 Clear Busts Every : 7 Days
Initial credits : 50,000 Last Bust Clear : 5 Days Ago
Initial holds : 50 Multiple Photon fire: No
Sectors in game : 5000 Display StarDock : Yes
Ship delay factor: Third Local display on : Yes
Start with planet: Yes Classic Ferrengi : Yes
Production Rate : 90% / Day Max Regen per Visit : 100%
Rob/steal delay : Yes Invincible Ferrengal: No
Tournament Mode : Off

The only reason i've been able to keep up is because i have 2 oceanic planets with supper ports, allowing me to make double the amount i would normlay trade in 1 day, and i've had to strip the fighters from all my planets each time.

I won't say name or server till I'm positive. Dupping? well. I was never told it was not allowed, the sysop did know about it from the first day and did not disallow it. Also, i did not make more then 1 additional logon.

Forgot to mention.

This person has been unable to maintain the same "pace" on any of the other servers where i know he plays. Seems odd that he does exceedlingly well only on his own?

just maybe he did all this Because he knew YOU WERE DUPING.

Maybe he did it to see who could invade and capture the planet? I'd rather he make it an alien planet and not a personal/corp one.

I have known GameOps to create accounts for players that have advanced planets, etc to make the game more challenging for the players. Find the planet and see if you can take it over.

Did he try and take it back after you captured it? If not, then he did it as a feature in the game to see who could take it over.

Q-Cannon is set to 100%, it would be easy to moth it with a cheap ship full of shields. Get podded and come back in the combat ship to take it over.

If the game is gold version then the planets can be edited to be a l6 in 0 days if you really wanted them to

The game is NOT gold, it's not even MBBS. I HAVE invaded the planets (you'll see the photon missiles in the logs) and the planet information is what i got once i invaded said planets. The cannon never fired.

SysOp making an advanced planet for other players is one thing.. He's making them for himself that i find issues with, nor has he informed us of these "cahnges"

As for "Dupping" As i said, It was with the sysop's FULL KNOWLEDGE and i would not be complaining if he did the same thing. The issue is that it apears to me that he has gone into TEDIT to give himself an advantage (even though i've managed to prevent him from keeping it). I've done what i've done withing the constraints of the game, he's used sysop abilities to gain his advantage

I've also been unable to find a SINGLE port where he's traded at in the past 5 days, and i've been looking.

No, he's been unable to reclaim it, nor has he tried. I DID destroy his escape pod. I'll find out tonight if he's tried.

Well, since he had 8 of his own planets, I'd figure he saw the cit times, but he is not sharing any of the previous asked questions, in turn-

The sysop was NOT cheating, since you basically ask us with no evidence, and if he was cheating, why cheat so little? Once you cheat, might as well go the entire way.. No coming back after you cross that line.

Graz

quote:Originally posted by Grazhoppa

Well, since he had 8 of his own planets, I'd figure he saw the cit times, but he is not sharing any of the previous asked questions, in turn-

Uhm.. those are mine, and i spent WEEKS building them up.

quote:The sysop was NOT cheating, since you basically ask us with no evidence, 2 citadels of level 3 and level 2 apearing overnight is not proof? The amount of resources that would have gone into rebuilding those fighters and ships over such a short period of time is not proof either?


quote:and if he was cheating, why cheat so little? Once you cheat, might as well go the entire way.. No coming back after you cross that line.

Graz


To make it look like he was not cheating?

And previous asked questions? Explain. I thought that i've answered everyones questions fully (with the exception of stating who/where)

"2 citadels of level 3 and level 2 apearing overnight is not proof? The amount of resources that would have gone into rebuilding those fighters and ships over such a short period of time is not proof either?"

We have no proof those planets were not there the day before. I do not know you, I don't know how long you've been playing, nor know how honest you are, as far as I know, your trying to give a good board, a bad name.


"To make it look like he was not cheating?"

Cheaters always get caught, doesn't matter if it looked as if he were cheating or not. The fact that you have an L4 Citadel, and he has a L3, doesn't make me one bit suspicious.


"And previous asked questions? Explain. I thought that i've answered everyones questions fully (with the exception of stating who/where)"

Taken into consideration that you yourself are a cheater, I really don't see the problem. The reason the name of the server was requested, was to take a look at the game, it is 26 days old, at least- That is plenty of time for LOTS and LOTS of nice planets. Now, why would you play settings of that nature? Bored? Wanted to babysit some planets? Heh.

Graz

I can understand your point of view. I do not wish to give a good board a bad name, hence why i do not post the board information. If i'm blowing smoke, then i'll look like the idiot and i'll deal with that.

Now as for cheating by "dupping" I've admited to that to keep my side honest, nor am i the only one there who was dupping in that game, other players where as well. I also stated that if the sysop did this, i would not be here posting. If this was forbiden, i would not have started it in the first place.

As for long time for the planets to develop, That is also true, with the exception that the citadel count in the game statistics did not show it the previous day (unfortunatly, i do NOT have logs of that).

If you find nothing suspicious on what i've posted, I'll swallow my pride and go back to playing.

The issue i have (and was looking for confirmation on) is that he may have used privliged tools to give an advantage when others could not. I'm looking for a level playing field. Nothing more.

Are you sure you figured your math correctly on the citadels?

Its likely you might have made a mistake, as far as this player not porting, grimy him- if he lays figs at the ports, you won't find anything.

Otherwise, you might be surprised.

graz

76 @ 12% = (9.12) 9 citadels
74 @ 17% = (12.58) 13 citadels

another player had gotten to level 1 on that day

fighters at ports? perhaps. But nothing near his "new" base has ever been traded at, not once. (heck, i got 1 experience for trading at the port one sector out from the dead end where i foudn the planets)