I guess that won't be my last post, this will be, I just had to reprint SpaceGhosts two cents, looks like I'm not your only fan:

Twas the day after Christmas and Res was running a muck.
Quoting top forty artists and rap songs and such.
The other Gent named Ghoury....
Quite a different story
Another no name trying only for fame
little does he know that it is one and the same
You guys talk trash and think its smack.
Thats like being in a porno and saying you can act.

The Outfits a joke with none as the Leader.
A TW Promotion gag ..mostly Bottom feeders.
A Perma Corp is more then a bunch of players.
A true corporation has many many layers.

Back in the day DE! comes to mind.
Boo! inc. and Wolfpack not far behind.
Puppet Masters and dont forget Dragons Elite.
Badhouse had it going on for a while i think.

The Difference you ask? The simularities you ponder?
We played with our friends....We Talked smack with Honor.
Never a phone call at work or a physical threat
Thats the difference between us potheads and
you crack heads i bet.

Bring out a real Tourny....And bring the OUTFIT.
It takes about two weeks...and then you Quit.
I'll be watching..maybe playing....having more fun then you
I wont get all pissed if my corp has a problem or two.

My sub com wont chatter and my hails will be slack
You see none of my corpies are like you hooked on crack.
My women the Boo! babes treat me like a king.
Your women leave cuz of your small little thing.

You want to call out the ghost that day after joy
Ok punk let me show you why im a man and your a boy.
I have a job i work and never been to jail
My life is great in fact and yours is a living hell.

Your Rap is weak chump dont ever call me out.
And my Games fill up faster then any game you can spout.
IF *I* promote it..the top guns will show....
If you promote it....Well of that we don't know.

I've been here from the start..I'll be here till the end.
I have many enemies that still call me friend.
You can tote that your OUTFIT is this or its that
But untuil you play a major your a corp is just crap.

You cant out rhyme me you can only curse
You cant be like me and flow from verse to verse
Your Bull**** is transparent i see right thru it.
Be original you monkey..come on ,.,"You Can Do IT!!"

I've had my share of TW ladies.
None of them were born in the Eighties.
Medusa my darling once killed hELLCAT.
i bet you thats one kill hELLCAT didnt Cap.

SLG my fair lady my friend from the start.
A wonderful women with a beutiful Heart.
ISIS my dear girl likes them unlimited games.
As far as women go ISIS is a crazy dame.

You can't treat your women like one of your boyz.
And you can't treat a PERMA like one of your TOYS.
Your milkshake only brings all the boys to the yard
cuz your on your knees for all...sucking real hard.

The next time you want to talk trash with rap
Bring out the real stuff not that stolen crap
And when you get beat and dont know what to think
You been bested by the poet and GHOST from Boo! inc.

Indeed 2 more posts that prove you don't have an original thought in your weak little mind.
This is also the 5th or perhaps 6th time you said you would not be posting here any more, in the past 12 hours.. I'm sure with an attitude like that, you'll be taking your own life soon. Also, I'd like to point out, space ghost is the joke of TW. Great guy, and good poet, but he can't play for ****, and we all know it.

If you care to stick around, take it like a man
Remember your former posts about cheating?
You mispell and misdirect, I'm not a fan
Honestly, you deserve a beating

You'll never have honor, respect, or fame
All you do is whine, b|tch, and complain
If you feel that you've been wronged
Hang yourself, while I hit this bong

There are several people that care about your situation
Just ask any sysop, who plays his own game
I know you love me, or is it called infatuation
Nigger please, your getting too lame

I've been around, quite a few times
Now and then, I spit out a rhyme
Since you don't listen to childish bantor
For those of you reading, forgive my candor

Everyone sees you
they laugh and point
"Look at the dumb jew"
While they hit that joint

If you care to quote another player
Feel free, just remeber
Your not a true member
And I'll always be the sysop slayer

Do us all a favor
Move out of Mom's house
You keep hitting that flavor
... And your hung like a mouse!

Your quote, his rhyme busted on my team
Come here b|tch while I hit the high beam
Your rhymes are weak, like smelly dog ****
You can't touch me, or -=[The Outfit]=-

Peace
Graz

My question is this he said do not leave figs in open space???????so there is no gridding i take it....OK thats cool teach the noobs not to grid....yup there toast

quote:Originally posted by solonamadeus

Hmmm, well, this will be my last post here. You all have made me think very poorly of where this game is going, and I think that you all are a mark against those who try to enjoy playing the game. Maybe I am in the minority now days of how I like to play, but who are you to tell me how I should like to play, on our own server. You think you are important to the game, but you are destroying it, in not only my opinion by I am shared by those of the co-sysops, and those that play on our board.

I would really like to address the complete lie of any cheating or tediting. That is completely ignorant and those players know it. What the hell was edited? I was easier to take down than the other 4-5 players you destroyed in that first night of play. Editing the game in anyway to help any player just doesn't happen. An honest person doesn't do that, and I hardly care whether you think I am honest. We will definately enjoy our games without your type of play, and it is a serious disappointment that I have even had to lower myself to this kind of childish bantor. There is no cheating, there is only fun play, from old lovers of the game. I hope it will not be so disappointing to see how this game evolves.

I am choosing not to reply to any of the ignorance and lies posted here anymore, it is just that, lies and ignorance. Lies trying to justify their attitude towards how our server chooses to run. The rules were clear, they didn't follow them, and they choose to close the game down. Its pretty clear that when no one in the game has made that kind of an advance in 2 weeks that you can do in a night, something is wrong and unbalanced. The game is exactly a role playing game, and the game is not meant to be played the way you play it, otherwise, why are there level 5 and 6 planets. The way you play you can't get anywhere near it. Your game is also not friendly. Not friendly is unfriendly, and we don't like unfriendly people around.

So, for those of you that enjoy a real game of Tradewars (hey, whats that first word, its not script wars), you never traded more than 20 minutes between the 4 of you, come check out http://www.ultimatetw.com on port 23. Anyhow, have fun, and try not to ruin the game for so many others.



Okay, ya know I had thought that perhaps as a sysop you were here to discuss, but I guess you are just here to be part of the "childish banter."

Since I am curious, and since you have failed to respond on a couple of issues, I figure I'll repeat them to make it a little more obvious that you seem to be avoiding them.

1.) Are you saying that your players ONLY trade between ports by hand? Nobody uses Reds to Rob, and that you do not use scripts or helpers to trade in that unlimited game? Because Darn you guys were fast at keys killing figs (Looked like Swath or Attac), and man you guys hand traded for 2 weeks? Seriously? Or were you maybe scripting? But than does that mean only SOME scripts are cool? I hand to hand attacked most people. Sure I may have used a ship cap to make sure I capped a ship, But I didn't use scripts to find people. I hunted them down by hand. Which in a 20k universe takes time.

2.) I completely agree. People coming in one night and wiping everybody out does show something wrong. But not on their part. So while you guys uses scripts to PPT (Paired Port Trade), and we used scripts to SDT (Steal Dump Transport). It seems that unbalanced in your game is definded as, scripts you used in the past are okay, but using reds to cash is wrong? Did it occur to you there is a reason their are reds? If people in an unlimited game (which are meant to be quick games, low turns last longer), haven't done much in 2 weeks, that is a mark they dont' fully understand the game. Ya know hell, how about this, why don't you bang a game and ban all scripts, all work MUST be done manually. Ya know what, a group can still SDT without a script, and still out cash, and find you. You are complaining about scripts, but it isn't scripts. It is called UNDERSTANDING THE GAME.

3.) Roleplaying. As a veteran of the game, which you say you are. Could you please point me to a website, or document that describes TW as roleplaying? Maybe I am just blind and haven't seen it, but since I played tradewars back around 90-93 it was a combat game. I never heard it described as roleplaying. Considering that I am an advid roleplayer, playing various games, and consider most of the games I run to be roleplaying intensive games, I do not see a single correlation to the TW game.

4.) I have noticed that in post that I have even agreed that one of my corpies may have gotten defensive and a little rude on Fedcom (after accusations of cheating with no proof, which STILL you haven't addressed), and apologized, you have not even accepted that.

5.) Why are there lvl5 and lvl 6 planets, OMG are you really that out of the loop of the game? Well, if you had a 600 or 1k turn game, than planets would get that far. Unlimited means you can't hide your base for long. 99% of the Unlims I see have fairly edited planets that get to lvl 6 within days. You are trying to mix Unlim and Stock to much. Perhaps instead of attacking players for playing the game, they way 95% of players play today, you should instead, analyze how and why it happened. Sometimes the game does have problems with players, sometimes it is the in game settings. Even though you won't read this, others may and the point to EIS is for others to learn also.

If you want games to be long term: Lower power ships (stock is usually good), reasonable planets (heck non gold is good), Lower turns (300-1k depending on universe size), Lower number of colos (so people can't easily get 1M ore), make photons highly expensive so they aren't used lightly, and finally, put commands per second to around 8 or so, so people can't use any "unsportsmanlike scripts."

6.) You continue to state what I say is a lie, with no rebuttal other than insults. It seems odd that the big reason we were banged was that one person was insulting on fedcomm, yet you have been anything but polite. I have repeated the rules we were told in this thread, and perhaps another, yet you simply say all we do is lie? Would you perhaps like to post your caps of the conversation? Perhaps we missed something?

7.) I have tried to be polite in my post, and tried to address the issues, you seem to be more interested in making personal attacks, and less analyzing a situation. I know you tried to defend your server, but I am afraid all you are doing is making it look very poor if as a sysop, all you can do it make aggressive statements, aggressive accusations, and be downright rude.

In any event, I wish your server the best of luck, and I hope your players have fun on it. For any of them who want to play Tradewars the way it is played to day, and learn, you guys are welcome to ICQ me at 85268815 and I'll be glad to help in a game.

Your server is fine to be run the way it is, I think everybody is now clear on the style of game you play (which is your right). I would recommend making it a closed server, and taking it off the league list, as the only reason I found it was it was listed by the league, which means usually a good competitive server, so I went to have fun. Also, you may want to check out Merlin's Keep, he also runs long term games there. Perhaps you server and Merlin's could get more mutual players.

Best of Luck,
Jhereg

Again, I must say, we were banned for knowing how to play. The rules were not clear. Had we known that seasoned players were not allowed to use their knowledge, we would not have been there. I have been playing probably as long as you or longer and I love the old tradewars too, but the game has changed. At first, I was intimidated by the scripts, but it's no use fighting it... why not embrace it, learn it and move forward with the game. The game has evolved. Technology has a way of doing that to things. It is possible to make huge sums of money in a few hours. I was running a world trade script while afk and made about 30 million credits. This is very possible and can be done by hand but why? I'm not trying to get you to do it my way, but I am tired of you saying we were unsportsmanlike and cheated. We did not and if we were so awful, why have we never been kicked of any other server. I would like you to at least go to another server and see that our method of play is standard. As Jhereg stated, you are free to run your server any way you wish. But because something is new to you, doesn't make it wrong. Your rules were not clear and we followed the rules we were given by you. So, if you are going to continue to post in here, at least stop lying about what really happened. If you would like to learn more about the game and scripts available to all players, check out twproxy.com for the TWX program and Cherokee's website for additional scripts. These are used by most everyone that plays. You keep referring to us as adults with no life, playing tw's 24/7 from our parents basements. Well I got news for you, it's these scripts that make it so you don't have to play 24/7 and allow you to have a life outside of tradewars. Many of the scripts run while AFK, so it is possible to have a life and have fun playing tradewars. At least know what you are talking about before you attack us. We are all adults and have all been playing since the early days of tradewars, it's just we have changed with the game where you have not. That's your choice but don't freak out because we have evolved with the game you have not. It is fine by me that you play on your own server with all the others that hate change. I could care less, but post it before other people waste their time and accidently begin a game there.

don't freak out because we have evolved with the game you have not. It is fine by me that you play on your own server with all the others that hate change. I could care less, but post it before other people waste their time and accidently begin a game there.
Wow what a thread:-)
But seriously, I must agree with a lot that has been said from Solon. I am sitting in Germany and would love to get the Game better known here in the old countries. But everytime I find somebody who is willing to try it (that is rather hard,because of the language problem)they tell me thats no fun, and that they are not gonna waste their time playing against a lot of roboters/scipts. Trade wars is not a scriptwriting convention. It could be a lot more fun I think if one would make it harder for scripties and redplayers. I dont yet know this server from solon, but I am going to try it out to get my own impression
When I was in my twentys we had a slogan "make love not war"
So all of you- have a nice new year anyway

quote:Originally posted by jschrey

don't freak out because we have evolved with the game you have not. It is fine by me that you play on your own server with all the others that hate change. I could care less, but post it before other people waste their time and accidently begin a game there.
Wow what a thread:-)
But seriously, I must agree with a lot that has been said from Solon. I am sitting in Germany and would love to get the Game better known here in the old countries. But everytime I find somebody who is willing to try it (that is rather hard,because of the language problem)they tell me thats no fun, and that they are not gonna waste their time playing against a lot of roboters/scipts. Trade wars is not a scriptwriting convention. It could be a lot more fun I think if one would make it harder for scripties and redplayers. I dont yet know this server from solon, but I am going to try it out to get my own impression
When I was in my twentys we had a slogan "make love not war"
So all of you- have a nice new year anyway


I can see your point, but there is not a script for strategy or organizing a team of players. The mundane tasks of the game have been scripted for as long as I have been playing.. roughly 10 years. PPT, SST, SDT, Moving product, exploring, colonizing, creating macros, capping ships, etc were all features available in old helper programs like TWHelper and Twar. The scripts used today are just improved versions of the old stuff. Not everyone back in the old days of tradewars had helpers but they were available to anyone that wanted to fork out the cash to get one. Same still holds true today, you get the good helpers and scripts if you are willing to pay for them or you can take the time to try and write your own. Scripts don't work all the time, in fact, I'm sure everyone has heard the excuse when getting killed "my script messed up". So they can be detrimental as well. I don't write scripts. I just use the ones that I have either paid to use or downloaded free ones off the internet. But I have them because I wanted to improve my gaming experience, took the time to find them, and now I enjoy the game alot more because of them. I still die, lose, etc.. they do not win a game for you. But they make the time you spend playing the game more efficient and less tedious. I applaud those who can write scripts, because it is not easy. I find that many players are willing to share scripts and tell you where to get some, because even the good players want a challenge. What fun is it to play where there is no challenge. Scripts did not ruin the game, they just changed it and improved it so you don't have to spend 24/7 playing. When I returned to the game after a 3 year break, it was like learning a whole new game. I'm sure many people don't agree with me, and that is fine, but don't knock it until you have tried it.
Happy New Year.

Why don't you teach them how MOST PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME, jschrey? A lot of people have started and thrived in the current TW world.

"Booo-hooo!!! I can't play against people using scripts cuz I'm too stubborn or stupid to learn!"

Stupid luddites.

Mythrandir wrote
Why don't you teach them how MOST PEOPLE PLAY THE GAME, jschrey? A lot of people have started and thrived in the current TW world.

You are making it a bit easy for yourselves Mythrandir. If one has known the Game for a while he can make the switch from Tradewar to Scriptwar if he wants. I have programmed some years ago quite a lot in turbopascal and it wouldnt be so hard to start writing scripts I think. Basicly they are just macros. But why should I do that ? I enjoy playing without scripts. OK everybody uses a Helper, but there is a limit to what a helper does, and besides people know what a helper can and what not.
But there are some people, that dont really want to play Tradewar, they are just testing scripts and getting kicks out of that. Both sides have a point. But maybe they should not have to play together in the same game.
Just a thought

Hey jschrey,

I'm actually curious (probably should start a new thread, but oh well), where do you feel the line should be drawn between "Helper" and "too much script". For example, if you use a helper to fill figs in space, is that cool? Or to do PPT? If PPT what about red functions? This is is no way an attack, I'm just curious. I've seen the sentiment expressed before, but usually people answer with "advanced scripts" well, most red functions are that. I would be completely cool to play in a complete non helper, non script, non macro game. But from what I have found is that even people who say "no scripts" usually mean, my macros are okay, and what my helper does is okay.

quote:Originally posted by solonamadeus

Obviously no one is reading the posts. THIS WAS NOT A LEAGUE GAME. That game CLEARLY starts on the 30th, and I will not be playing in it. A League game is a GAME, not a server. As you said, the game is called Tradewars, but what came first, its a GAME, not a WAR, this is a GAME, not a WAR, say it with me. Again, if you think your tough, and you want war, go to Baghdad, where the real men are fighting. Well, all the players that we enjoy having are not from this forum, so you all have a great one, we'll keep our server for those that realize this is a game, and that others play too.


Solon,

Its the 30th, and its waaaaaaaaaayy past 2:00pm PST.... where is the League game that is supposed to bang on your server???? can you either

1. bang the game and get it underway...

or

2. Post and let us know if it not gonna happen.

thanx either way

-Predator.

Sometimes I guess I just don't understand.