no...

but I have swindled a few billion credits out of my reds.. =\

I love how Hvrat keeps talking **** after he's been called upon.. Hvrat, you've ruined your image already.. Not only do you not know what your talking about, your not a person of your word.

Please, go find some other nubbish place to talk about tw.. try... teabbs.com

heh

-grazhoppa

Both sides are right to an extent in this hand pdrop arguement.

On one hand, I believe Hrvat could kill one random fig in a game before someone could pdrop him.

On the other, SupG and Graz are both smart enough players that I think they could pdrop Hrvat by hand in certain situations over the course of a game. Setting up traps, watching fig hit trends, using prelock and anticipation they would get you.

Now I do believe Hrvat said they could NEVER pdrop him by hand, so I'm gonna have to say that was an ignorant statement on his part. [:D]


I'm also interested in Hrvat's take on macros since he is so against scripts? Are macros fair play Hrvat?

I think he is for Macros, cause he says it will only take 3 keys to get to a sector safely. So how do you move to a sector, kill a fig and drop a fig if you wanted in 3 key strokes. Lets say you were going to sector 11. Small sector number. That is 2 key strokes right there. Enter would be the third. Now you are sitting at a fig prompt. Or lets say you set up a nav point. Which I guess you dont count doing that as key strokes. So you Hit your navpoint key 1 pick whick point 2 enter 3. Well you are still sitting at a fig prompt. I dont get it it just does not add up. Where as if you had a macro you could pre set it up to move to a sector attack with 999 figs and drop 1. That would be 1 keystroke. F5.

Also,

You have to take into consideration, he can't macro the entire map... and remember it.

so to goto 5000, hed have at least 5 keystrokes... 5000 is 4, then the macro that kills and places figs..

Lets just face it, he's straight up nub.. I'm sure If I macro'd his photon, he'd cry cheat

graz

quote:Originally posted by DEMON

I think he is for Macros, cause he says it will only take 3 keys to get to a sector safely. So how do you move to a sector, kill a fig and drop a fig if you wanted in 3 key strokes. Lets say you were going to sector 11. Small sector number. That is 2 key strokes right there. Enter would be the third. Now you are sitting at a fig prompt. Or lets say you set up a nav point. Which I guess you dont count doing that as key strokes. So you Hit your navpoint key 1 pick whick point 2 enter 3. Well you are still sitting at a fig prompt. I dont get it it just does not add up. Where as if you had a macro you could pre set it up to move to a sector attack with 999 figs and drop 1. That would be 1 keystroke. F5.


I think we should make this an interesting 3 on 1 DeathMatch
Hrvat Demon and DragonStar vs Graz and Bud aka Eminem...ya'll are wussies...so i think we'd kill you within the first 5 minutes? and i will bet on that. heh i'll throw down 50 bucks...guarentee we'll whip you suckas 3 vs 2.....now you girls talk about it while we sit back and call you wussies and lame newbies .


--={Eminem}=-
The Day DragonStar Growz Balls is The Day I Die?

Oh By The Way....This is A Challenge...You 3 Decline...I'ma Flame You All Over TWGS and EIS forumz...Now Grow Some Ballz and Accept The Challenge and Loose Like a Newbie You Are.


-Eminem

P.S. Have A Nice Day and I expect the acceptance in mah icq box by friday night tha 14th. 14102264 is mah icq

quote:Originally posted by Hrvat

You sctipers are full of yourselves. I have to hit 3 keys and your fighters are gone... you have to read the line to find out which of the 10,000 sectors in the universe I'm in. Write the 4 digit number in perfectly hit enter then hit Y.


You are full of yourself. If you think just because people use scripts that they aren't smart enough to pdrop you by hand, then you are a moron. That's right, I said smart enough, not fast enough.

Most people who write scripts know the game well enough that they could either predict where you are going to hit, or could slow down your sector entry enough that they could make it there before you killed the figs. Not me, because I am slow at keys, but I've played with/against graz before.. Very quick at keys.

Think of this, genious. What if you are in a stock ISS and trying to kill the sector figs by hand before you get pdropped by hand. I would drop 30,000 fighters in each sector and 250 mines ... Still think you could clear the sector before I pdropped you?

Since you would have to send 2 waves of fighters to kill the sector figs, that would give most people more than enough time to lock onto the sector. The mines (assuming you didn't clear them) would give you yet another prompt to slow you down before you can lay down your fighter.

Or I could spot you hitting figs and find a possible route you are taking and lock my planet on a sector ahead of you... All I have to do is press enter when you enter that sector and I have you.

I wouldn't go spouting off about things you obviously aren't educated enough to know about.

Doing things without scripts is a bit more difficult, but they can be done just the same.

You being stuck in the past doesn't make everyone else wrong.

quote:Originally posted by Hrvat


You ever wonder why it's mostly only you pathetic scripters left playing Tradewars? It's because any new player that comes around trying to play the game the way it was intended to be played doesn't stand a chance against someone running a Bot 24/7. If Bots were intended to be a fair part of the game there would be a BOTS sub menu built into the game... but there isn't is there.


This is old, but I missed it...

Your quote here is inaccurate. I'll put it to you this way. When you first started playing, oh lets say, Half Life, I bet you sucked. Did you quit playing because everyone was better than you? You couldn't take two steps without someone nailing you. That's not fair is it?

New players don't quit the game because of the bots and scripts, they quit because the game doesn't appeal to them. Most people in the world are going to take a pretty looking graphic filled game over a text based ugly looking game. If people were really interested in learning the game, they would find ways to get better, or go play on the newbie servers you like to play on with people who don't use scripts and think they are 'evil'.

Players who are somewhat serious about becoming a better player at TW use/write scripts, there is no way around that. Those who want to just have a cute little game to kill off a couple hours usually don't take time to use/write scripts, which is fine. But don't go accusing people who use them of cheating. There are scripts available to everyone, a lot of them are free even.

Like I said, scripts make the game more fun/fast/strategic, while making the players smarter and better.

For those who hate the keypad,

SupG

You have a point SupG, the mines do slow a player down with another prompt "Do you wish to avoid this sector?" which they have to type Y or N on. No need for 250 mines, that is overkill, 1 to 5 mines would work just as well and be more economical unless you have reds on your team making tons of credits each day. Don't forget a limpid mine or two, so he has to scrub at the Stardock or a Class 0 port and you can nail him there too. If you are lucky, he'll take a limpid to his base.

Graz got me in LotR because I was too slow at the toll figs prompt just outside of the Stardock. Slight tactical error I made was assuming that Graz was hunting for us out in space, so I twraped into the Stardock to buy a new ship with 1.4M credits on me. Graz was there, so I hit a NavPoint, but a combination of ATTAC and TWX had reset my NavPoints to random sectors and I hit one of Graz's toll figs. My autopay didn't work for some reason, so I hit "PY" to pay it. Moved to the next sector "PY" and I was in a pod. It said I didn't have enough credits to pay. Looking back at the scrollback, Graz was in the sector and so was my Aragon ship "Wounded Ego". So I posted on the FedCom "Ah, you got me!" and he replied back "Yes I got you!". Somehow I was able to avoid his sector figs and get back to our base. Simon found out about it, hailed me, asked where Graz was, I told him Graz was at the Stardock. So Simon takes as many figs as his Sauramon ship can hold and tries to take out Graz. But Graz hits Simon with a ptorp, Simon has 3X the figs that Graz has, so Graz leaves and comes back. At this point I reasoned out that Graz went to spend the 1.4M credits he got off my ship for carbo. "Come on hit me!" Graz said to Simon, I told Simon it was a trap, don't attack. Simon has no ship capture script, and was playing by hand. If he attacked, he certainly would have blown up Graz's ship and get taken out by a carbo reaction. I had a ship to use, but Simon had it marked as personal and I was locked out of it. D'oh! Couldn't exactly do anything in a pod. So I waited to see what would happen. Meanwhile Graz was asking himself "Is Orion a threat?" and hitting Simon's ship with figs saying "Come on, attack me!". I keep telling Simon to not do anything and wait until his turns get back and move out of the sector. To save the figs for other things. This goes on for an hour or hour and a half, and then Simon gets his turns back and twarps out of there, and Graz boradcasts "LMAO!". It was entertaining to say the least.

quote:Originally posted by Orion_Blastar

You have a point SupG, the mines do slow a player down with another prompt "Do you wish to avoid this sector?" which they have to type Y or N on. No need for 250 mines, that is overkill, 1 to 5 mines would work just as well and be more economical unless you have reds on your team making tons of credits each day. Don't forget a limpid mine or two, so he has to scrub at the Stardock or a Class 0 port and you can nail him there too. If you are lucky, he'll take a limpid to his base.

Graz got me in LotR because I was too slow at the toll figs prompt just outside of the Stardock. Slight tactical error I made was assuming that Graz was hunting for us out in space, so I twraped into the Stardock to buy a new ship with 1.4M credits on me. Graz was there, so I hit a NavPoint, but a combination of ATTAC and TWX had reset my NavPoints to random sectors and I hit one of Graz's toll figs. My autopay didn't work for some reason, so I hit "PY" to pay it. Moved to the next sector "PY" and I was in a pod. It said I didn't have enough credits to pay. Looking back at the scrollback, Graz was in the sector and so was my Aragon ship "Wounded Ego". So I posted on the FedCom "Ah, you got me!" and he replied back "Yes I got you!". Somehow I was able to avoid his sector figs and get back to our base. Simon found out about it, hailed me, asked where Graz was, I told him Graz was at the Stardock. So Simon takes as many figs as his Sauramon ship can hold and tries to take out Graz. But Graz hits Simon with a ptorp, Simon has 3X the figs that Graz has, so Graz leaves and comes back. At this point I reasoned out that Graz went to spend the 1.4M credits he got off my ship for carbo. "Come on hit me!" Graz said to Simon, I told Simon it was a trap, don't attack. Simon has no ship capture script, and was playing by hand. If he attacked, he certainly would have blown up Graz's ship and get taken out by a carbo reaction. I had a ship to use, but Simon had it marked as personal and I was locked out of it. D'oh! Couldn't exactly do anything in a pod. So I waited to see what would happen. Meanwhile Graz was asking himself "Is Orion a threat?" and hitting Simon's ship with figs saying "Come on, attack me!". I keep telling Simon to not do anything and wait until his turns get back and move out of the sector. To save the figs for other things. This goes on for an hour or hour and a half, and then Simon gets his turns back and twarps out of there, and Graz boradcasts "LMAO!". It was entertaining to say the least.


I realize this is the smack talk forum, but come on man you are WAY off topic. Try to keep up with what is being said and there is no need to post everything that comes into your head about every game you are playing.

supg..

Your my bro man, always will be, and I'd be honored to play with you again..

Take it easy on orion, he doesn't realize much yet

Orion..
Supg's right man.. I think you'd be a good commentator, but there is no need to give out details on everygame.. if you want to give an example.. stop, and let someone with more experience give an example..

I've said before, your a good guy, but you gotta learn the game.. then comment on it..


BTW- the tips you tried to give me were fantastic, if I hadn't been playing the game nearly 20 years.

quote:Originally posted by Orion_Blastar

You have a point SupG, the mines do slow a player down with another prompt "Do you wish to avoid this sector?" which they have to type Y or N on. No need for 250 mines, that is overkill, 1 to 5 mines would work just as well and be more economical unless you have reds on your team making tons of credits each day. Don't forget a limpid mine or two, so he has to scrub at the Stardock or a Class 0 port and you can nail him there too. If you are lucky, he'll take a limpid to his base.


True, you could only leave 1 to 5 mines. But maybe I take into account that someone might try to disrupt the mines before they enter... 250 mines takes a lot longer to disrupt than 5, especially by hand. By the time they try to disrupt the mines, I know exactly where they are. It's one more method of finding people.

SupG

quote:Originally posted by SupG

Also, there is no perfect script. There is ALWAYS a way around it. I laugh at you people who are having a hard time getting around a simple photon script. Even if graz was running a photon script to keep you out, it was just a simple adjacent photon script.

Enter the adjacent sector and retreat real fast. Do that until photon bot is out of photons.

To me, the people who complain about scripts are the people who aren't bright enough to get around one being used against them.

SupG


Actually my favorite is to go to an enemys adjacent fighter pairs and photon under them and drop mines in the sector. Hit one of their fighters and they twarp in and self photon. Only way around that is to have more than 1 photon on your ship at a time, and thats pretty stupid most of the time, and you "might" still get me. Or using a planet for your adjacent photon script. The twarp photon scripts are dangerous to you just as they are to your enemy.

Sorry I was just giving an example of a recent game where my slowness caused my ship to be captured. Also how Graz was fast enough to hit Simon with a ptorp, despite being outfigged by Simon.

Graz those tips were because of some of the mistakes I saw you and Sk make in the LotR game. It could be because you haven't played in two years and are rusty. I believe we would have lost had you two not made those mistakes and the planet would have been yours.

They weren't mistakes being made..

I'm a kill *****, I'd rather see you dead than fighters on my planet.. I'd accually like to have both at the same time, but sometimes you gotta deal with it- what was done was done intentionally.