While working on my upcoming colonization script I emphasized to fellow tradewars corpie, menudo, that I would need a game in which to test it.

Menudo happened upon a game with unlimited turns and colonists with a 6 MONTH TRUCE at Merlin's Keep TWGS. I know, rediculous as this sounds it gets better. Planets will make 1.5 Million figs a day, you CANNOT lay anything but Toll fighters, and they can only be in sectors which you have developing planets. You CANNOT use anything to defend your territory, including sector blast on your cannons. Ohh, wait, there's more..

I hadn't planned on playing this game much longer than it took me to finish up my script, but then I read further in the rules of the game. There is a $300 reward to the winner of the game. (to be paid one year after the game had started). So I thought to myself.. "Self, $300 aint bad to sit and colonize a bunch of planets and kill off some newbies.". I agreed with myself and so did nudo.

We then decided that, since we couldn't attack or do anything to stop the other teams, we would do a planet and ship buyout.

We were lucky enough to find a 1900 sector bubble in which to hide our planets in. After we got our planets built, we bought all the ships. We figure we're sittin pretty good. I made me a crude little planet stealer script to try to rustle up the rest of the wayward planets that people would blow. Since there is a 4 hour timelimit, it's not as effective as it could be but it's still better than nothing.

The other day, i decided to go to stardock to check to see if there were any ships freed. There was.. Ships numbers 1978 - 2000. I again thought to myself, "Self, didn't i buy those ships yesterday?" I answered myself and said "Yes, yes i did". Thinking it may have been some fluke bug or something i rebought them and stuck them in a separate sector as the other ships 1900 ships i bought the day before. Next day comes. They are all gone... "Hmm, I says." Something is fishy.

Also, I was running my planet stealer with some success last night. While it was running I decided to play a little Half Life. When I was done, I came back to find that I had been disconnected from the game. After a little research, I found that no one else had been disconnected in that period of time, and I had been playing HL so i know my connection was good. Meanwhile, a corpless trader going by the name of The Jackal was happily popping planets, I assume trying to get a good one.

I guess this could all be some coincidence or a fluke. But if i were a bettin man, I'd say that The Jackal has an IP similar to 127.0.0.1 whlie connecting to the TWGS.

And for those playing that game or planning to play a game on that server, I'd take that into account before starting up.

SupG

Any script that denies other players the right to play Tradewars (especially in a game where a truce is in effect - Game H) is not fair in my humble opinion... Maybe in tournaments anything goes... but rules are posted to be obeyed (albeit the malicous RESULTS of that ship buying script you made were added today, as this is a permanent game). And btw, I never play tw - just host it. Yer a kewl script writer - I'll give ya that. I am just being fair as I see it. All others are welcome to respond. -Merlin

You know this is interesting. Other than the blatant fact that you are an idiot and obviously everything you say here is more than a little childish, I'd like to take a second to disect the load of crap you have spewed forth into your post. First we must declare the fundamental fact known as sysop priviledge (ie) his board he can do what he wants. We have Merlin who for some odd reason seems to believe that there can be such a thing as fair play during a truce time. There are some sysops out there that do abuse sysop priviledge so lets dig through your post to see what we have. You were working on a script (so what?) and needed a game to test it on (i'd have figured a high lever script writer would have done this on a personal server but i'll assume you aren't completely daft and have done that and are now trying it out on an actively played server). you complain that you cant do anything to defend your sector .. hmm .. if there werent truce breaking jackasses like you then who would you defend it from? OK you didnt plan to play (who cares) you stuck around for the $300 cash (I dont need it so I dont care) .. WAIT .. $300 to sit around, colo and kill newbies?? well obviously you mean after the truce is over, umm. Don't you? Sometimes with truce braking jackasses like you it's hard to tell. OHHH .. there is a point here you didn't mention .. you were podding people by blowing up ports .. while a truce was in effect? tsk tsk tsk! You get warned and you get your panties in a knot so you decide to be crafty. can't blame you for trying. You buy up 8k planets and did anyone say anything? Not that I know of. Then you then decide to buy up all the ships. This is a different story because now new people cant play and people who fuse themselves into oblivion (sad to say one of my corpies did) can't get back into the game. Merlin removes a few scouts and they're bought up again and since Merlin has his ideal of fairplay during a truce he decided to revise the truce and do what? Ask you to stop doing it? WOW!!! Now there's a hardass being sooo unfair to you. So you ***** and moan on fedcomm that your done playing (once again .. who cares?). You got disconnected? It happens, wow a router or two could have hiccupped between you and his server and disconnected you and no one else because no one else may have been using that path to his server. Now we are at the inevitable accusation of the idiot. Wow .. Merlin must be playing on his own server. Ok where is your proof? What causes you to be suspicious? There is a corpless wonder making planets? Hold on, there is more than one of those in that game. Wait!! .. I thought cheating sysops just edited themselves planets and cash. C'mon, gimme some proof or something to justify your accusation. Now to Merlin, shame on you for the horrific lies told. I think it unfair to kewl script writers everywhere to add SupG to their ranks .. what i've seen of his they are ok .. but hardly kewl.

LOL , and i would like to add that the rules for game h
are clearly posted on mkeep.com

I've moved this to the smack talk section, as it doesn't really belong in the Game Rebangs section. I'd like to take the opportunity to comment in regards to all the cheating accusations and such that are so often seen on here. It is my opinion that a sysop who pays for a license to Trade Wars can run their server however they choose. However, I think it is ultimate bad form for a sysop to change the nature of the game midway though, such as changing the rules or using tedit to harm or benefit a specific corp or trader. I think it will in the end undermine the trust that all players have for you and your server. Unfortunately for a player who may have invested many hours in the game only to have it's nature change, they can never get back the time they have wasted. This of course leads to the posts here and ultimately, fewer players on your system. Once again, it is up to the sysops to decide how they wish to run their servers, but I hope they think this through before taking a knee-jerk reaction to a strategy some player is using in a game.

Bottom line is people are trying to violate the nature of the truce. There is a truce for 6 months to allow people to build up. If we have morons that blind warp themselves into sector 0, and there are no ships to get back into… I guess that means that they do not play.

This would tell me that SupG and corpie is simply not good enough to blow up “newbies” that have a few level 6 planets. Sure anybody can blow up a newbie that is out and about, but it requires just a little bit of thinking invading a sector that has a few planets.

You also, openly admit to, not only talking, but answering yourself too. I would throw a little trash talk about that; however, it is obvious that there are more people in your head than just one and I’m severely outnumbered.

If you want a server to just test scripts on… be nice and I might allow you the honor and the privilege to have just half of my server’s ip address.

I agree Harley, the game shouldnt be changed halfway through. but what should a sysop do when a truce is established and someone pulls a denial strategy that the sysop didn't anticipate? all he did was basically ask SupG not to do it again and delete the last 20 or so ships so a ship destroyed player can get back in. the game wasnt changed. the rules weren't changed just a little more clearly stated and a problem rectified. not to the detriment of the offending player/corp and not to the benefit of any player/corp other than letting him back in the game. I believe that when you have players that look for any way to sidestep a truce and in some cases straight out break it and then to have your sysop do nothing causes more distrust than a sysop that fixs the problem fairly.

Heh, Marduk, you have no idea what you're talking about. I am mostly complaining about the fact that what we did during the game was completely within the confines of the rules until, on OCTOBER 28, while as we check our calender Zentock, was yesterday. He put that rule in WHILE THE GAME WAS ACTIVE. Zen, maybe YOU should read the rules more carefully before posting on a subject you have no idea about.

It is unethical for any sysop to disconnect a player during their 4 hour time limit. (which he admitted to) And also going into TEDIT to take away assets of a corporation (which he admitted to).

Maybe i was out of line saying that he was playing the game. I just call them as i see them.

My big gripe is that a sysop would go thru these measures and not even tell the corp which he is exploiting why or even that he's doing it.

The fact is, what we were doing was NOT against the rules, the sysop thought it was "unfair", so he edited a game in progress and changed the rules.

In my experience, sysops who pulled this kind of stuff don't draw a competitive server, rather a server full of newbies who want to blow up aliens all day long.

I blew up Dr. Doog on the port the 1ST day i played the game, I had not read the rules as i siad, i just came in to test a script. I promptly repaid YOU and emailed merlin appologizing. My complaint about the sector cannon is that we had a 1900 sector bubble roped off, andmore than once a newbie expressed into our door. The ship in use has 8:1 odds and can hold 400k figs. That is 2.4 Mil sector figs without any retribution. Repeated attempts at this would possibly cause someone inside our bubble.

I feel that I am somewhat respected by most TW people, so I wouldn't blindly throw out accusations. These things that I've said, with exception to merlin playing, are all true and fact. Some people can play on a server like this, others think it is a waste of time.

For me waste of time.

BTW, while i chatted with merlin in Yahoo, he expressed to me that this game is a "permanent" game, meaning it isn't supposed to end, therefore he needs to make rules on the fly. He might want to tell the people playing the game for the $300 reward that that will never come to fruition.

SupG

Hmmm...sounds familiar. That is Zentocks server, supg. He controls what goes on there by calling the sysop and complaining all the time. I think I posted about this EXACT same scenario a while back. I bought up the ships and he sold some of them for me, etc. I warned people to stay away as he changes games in midstream to cater to a select few individuals. I like Merlin ok as a person, but to say he didnt anticipate it when I did the same thing a few months ago is unfair. When a sysop goes to the trouble of posting rules, he needs to post them all. You dont change them in the middle of a game no matter how much a little baby like zentock whines. Zentock sucks so he has found a sysop to obey his every whim. Perhaps now even more REAL players will see this and stay away and Zentock can beg even more newbies to vote for him in TWAwards as this seems to be his only claim to fame..."I got 5 votes in Twawards last year".

Marduk, just an FYI, I haven't played this server haven't read the rules.. don't know if they were posted before hand or not. However, I will back SupG on what he claims. Also the comment about his scripting (how or were he does it) suggest that you are not a scripter or know anything about scripting. SupG has GIVEN more to the TW community then probably anyone that I know. I write Tons of scripts, and it is hard to keep up with what the hell he is going to come up with next. I always finish a script off in a game. Never on a local sever. Especially if you are giving the script out. The main reason alone is timing issues. From your comment I am sure that you don't understand what I am talking about, but SupG has more pull from people that doesn't even know him personally than most traders that have friends in this community. ALso from your comments I see that you "Don't need the money". Hell if you have to much send it my way. I can use it. I need it. Hell I even want it. I am going to meditate as to why someone would suggest they don't need or want "MONEY". That sounds odd to me. hmmmm. Ok, back from meditating. I guess if I were Bill Gates I might suggest I don't need it.
But I am not. I do need it. I do want it.

Just my thoughts. Hey SupG. this will turn the attentions a bit. LOL

MP

"SupG has GIVEN more to the TW community then probably anyone that I know."

I just wanna add.. SupG is awesome, but where would we be without john?

We'd be at evolution, playing HVS...



Thanks john!

Well it's good to know where people stand. When Major Pain is to have an opinion I'm surprised to hear he has to have SupG issue it. One would think that he would prefer to use his own mind and judgement based off of knowledge and experience when stating opinions. If you can actually manage to comprehend what I wrote you would see that I said that finalizing scripts happened on active servers. Go back to grade school if you had trouble with that. I know SupG has written many scripts and he posts his throw aways for all to download, all I said was I wasn't impressed by them. As for the rest. I'll put my script coding up against yours any day Minor Pain. I was surprised to hear that SupG was kicked off by the sysop .. thats a bit childish. As for merlin's tedit accessing .. i think he should have just cleaned up derelict craft. That way people can't ***** that they took any one corps assets. His server his rules. deal with it or leave. What I really got pissed over was SupG accusing him of playing on his own board and cheating without the least bit of evidence or giving data for a plausable supposition.

SupG, I had over 30 mill on me when you broke the cease-fire that night. You put a drop in the bucket with the 1.5 mill that you repaid. I did not gripe about it because I knew I would not see that money and I knew that you did not have it either. It's all good though. 30 million is not going to make or break me in that game. I was not even pissed off about it. I know it was an honest mistake and the game is not that important to get all pissy over. I will even go a step further and say that I also agree with you guys on that rule should have been posted; however in my humble opinion, denial of game play is breaking the truce. We could argue this but like I said it is not that important. A game like this one is absolutely insane, and I expect it to crash long before the truce is up.

MajorPayne... if money is a problem, perhaps you should ask for a raise in your allowance. The universe is full of fellow scriptors.

SupG and nudo are right, if there were no posted rules about ship or planet buyouts, then they should have been left alone. They were smarter than the average bear figuring out a way around the stated rules. Shrug , looks to me the Sysop was wrong.

Well, be rest assured Merlin's Keep is run by Merlin. Very few players post period but when they do I listen. Even fewer call. That does not mean I always agree but I am open minded. I'll not add any more rules during game play (even if it means having to rebang, or restart a game). SupG was locked out for 24 hrs (not banned) and he was out of line making irrational statements about Merlin playing vice hosting (as he now admits) and grabbing his own 300 bucks (I make a 6 digit figure salary SupG-just so you know I dont plan on grabbing it- matter of fact I'll post the winner)... I was only responding to a player request to make this interesting game on a free broadband game server. SupG - I think you doth protest too much man.... You do make wild unrespectful remarks and unsubstantiated conclusions as is evidenced by your own words here. nuff said.
-Merlin