How many traders here have small children?

Do you allow your child to watch R or x rated movies? How about purchase video games where the antagonist curses your child out and demeans his/her mother. How about a music CD that degrates people of other racial/religious heritage?

NO?

Then why do we tolerate and even encourage this behavior within our TradeWars community?

I realize that some people have no civilized, intellegent manner of expressing themselves without the use of profanity or racial slurs. However, is can be done.

And it is unfortuante that when a sysop states within the anouncements and website for his/her server that they wish to run a profanity free board and will ban offenders on a case by case basis, this sysop can and will be persecuted within the forums and attemps made to discredit and blacklist the server.

I realize that there are sysops who allow anything and everything on their servers, but on the opposite end there are sysops who choose to run a clean server. A server where any parent can watch and read what their child is reading and not be offended or feel the need to restrict the childs learning of the game. I feel there is a place for both types of sysops and servers, and one should not be condemed for their choices one way or the other, but respected for their beliefs and commitment.

Wholeheartedly agree with you. If the rule was posted, and broken, then no one should have any complaints.

Yes, a sysop should always be condemned when making decisions to ban people and close games because a player within the game wants it that way. I personally like the no cussing rule. It is a good rule and one that I feel should be enforced EQUALLY. This sysop didnt do so and therefore he is being condemned. If you ban someone for cussing on fed you have to ban everyone that does so. How is that not a fair assessment? It is no different than banning one guy for duping and not another. The other problem is that when people close a game at the request of ONE of the other corps without consulting the rest of the players in game, it is silly.

I agree, all rules should be enforced equally. I also agree that as many facts as possible should be ascertained before action is taken, and closing a game down while there are still active players in it is generally a mistake.

quote:Originally posted by Bone Collector

The other problem is that when people close a game at the request of ONE of the other corps without consulting the rest of the players in game, it is silly.


You are obviously unaware of the fact that Merlin was at keys observing the game play of various traders during the final cuss-fest when the offending traders were banned. This allowed him to see the replys saying we will just bring in more replacents. Merlin made the decision then to close the game to new traders.

It would be a great shame if Merlin decided from all of this to lock all the games and allow access only after email submisison request.

That would ruin game play for all involved, not just the rule breaking jerks.

So someone explain to me why this sysop would make a decision that only punishes those of us who did not offend anyone?? I'm not banned and am willing to play, however our mothing ability has been severly limited since me and bc are only ones going to do it probably. Our CEO is no longer in game since he was banned. That makes things bad because even if game were'nt closed to allow in three more players we wouldn't have the ability to let them in. I just see it as a cowardly thing to do. Ban them sure but lock the game so we can't bring in players who are willing to follow the rules is silly. If you disagree you are silly. I see it as saying that the sysop is giving into requests made by Zentock. He wants game closed so he can sit back and do what he is doing now. I told you LokI i could play you in a unlim ROFL. I don't get riled up about most things, but I see this as an error in judgement. The game should not be closed period. When a game is supposed to last to Christmas it sure as heck should not be. Maybe someone else in game can see anything good in closing it but I for one cannot and will be upset about it until it is changed. If it isnt ohhh well I have to live with it but I aint gots to like it


LokI is powering up weapons systems!

I have to agree I did not want the game closed myself but the sysop made the call not a trader in the game....if the sysop decided to close the game he had his own reasons for doin so and just because it hurt you alot does not mean it doesn't detract from the rest of the players in the game as well....

I normally do not frequent these hallowed halls (reminds me of Paranor - a good thing tho). I am here because I have been requested to speak. So I shall be brief and to my point. Not many rules really on Merlin's Keep )no profanity allowed in game or in game message traffic that all can see or read. Oh, and no cheating (dups...). I have been running this board since 1987 (albeit it has faded here and there recently with my tranisition to the corporate sector in DC). I don't tell other sysops how to run their boards and I expect the same respect from my bretheren. I choose to run a clean board (ie no profanity-too many kids on my system) and as clean of cheatng as I can. That's it. The rules are posted on mkeep.com and in all the games and menu's on the server. If players can't abide by some simple rules... there are lots of other boards around to play on. JP and I go back along ways... he knows I am fair and an honest fellow. If folks don't want to play in the environment I provide - I respect that. All I would hope for is to be spoken of fairly. The Keep will be up for a good many years to come. You all take care - and enjoy Tradewars. -Merlin [:)]

quote:Originally posted by Merlin

If the folks on the team that was hurt requested me to allow 2 more folks in - I am willing (but until now I have not been approached...). The folks that were banned will not be allowed on the board of course, however with some coordination things can be resolved I believe. Take care. -Merlin

Merlin;s Keep - http:mkeep.com

quote:You are obviously unaware of the fact that Merlin was at keys observing the game play of various traders during the final cuss-fest when the offending traders were banned. This allowed him to see the replys saying we will just bring in more replacents. Merlin made the decision then to close the game to new traders.


Ok, first problem with this stupid quote is this: Who cares if we bring in replacements? All you did by making that stupid statement was prove my point. You guys cried because all of the sudden you perceived a threat. Why should it matter if Loki and I bring in other players? As long as they dont cuss, you should have no problem with that, moron. You guys cried because you knew you sucked and eventually would lose an un-losable game. For crying out loud you have tons of figs and colos and you have problems with us bringing in other players? Idiot.

quote:no profanity allowed in game or in game message traffic that all can see or read.

Ok, i tried in private, but will now do so in public...I sent caps of Mussolini cussing to you last night at 1 am. Yet, as of 6 pm he is still playing? Why? I dont really understand how one person is banned while another is allowed to play? What you did was make it look like you bow to the pressure that Zentock puts on you. He cries because he is suddenly threatened and you act. He even told me that there was no way he would let you ban mussolini. I thought it was YOUR board. If so, I expect that all who cussed will soon be banned.

I've been reading these posts and have read the ones showing who was cussin and when and I've got to agree...if one is banned for doing something against posted rules, then ALL guilty of doing the same thing should be banned. I, personally, don't know these people with the exception of drwakko and thus have no other stake in this but to see a fairly run game. As for playing there myself, after reading what was posted I certainly won't head over there for games but will say that to get better you must play against better players. I've been in games with Vader, DrWakko, Earth and a few others and they're good..REAL good which only made my play better.

Well, that's my 2 cents worth.

quote:Originally posted by Ahab

I've been reading these posts and have read the ones showing who was cussin and when and I've got to agree...if one is banned for doing something against posted rules, then ALL guilty of doing the same thing should be banned. I, personally, don't know these people with the exception of drwakko and thus have no other stake in this but to see a fairly run game. As for playing there myself, after reading what was posted I certainly won't head over there for games but will say that to get better you must play against better players. I've been in games with Vader, DrWakko, Earth and a few others and they're good..REAL good which only made my play better.

Well, that's my 2 cents worth.

It would be nice if there was a rating system for sysops to use, kinda like movie ratings. one end could be no tolorence and the ohter could be anything goes. I too would like my kids to play tw but only if its a clean game. It is possible to smack with out swearing. I don't think cussin helps the tw game in anyway, its my hope that more sysops will bang games with no swearing allowed.

Ok first of all, if you dont like when people cuss, turn off your fed comm and all messages, you then can have a nice silent game and you can still PM people you actually wanted to talk to . I would feel foolish to kick someone off of a server becasue they said something you didnt like when you could of turned off your mess. Some people have it in thier nature to say afew bad fowl mouthed words. Freedom of Speech. Deal with it Shadow353, and anyone who wants to take the right away from people who swear.
PEACE FUKIN OUT. Aesoo

LOL aesoo ur funny. : )

First off the first amendment applies when u speak and in a few other instances, not too digital txt that is sent or stored on/over someone elses machine visable too other people.
When a sysop pays for a twgs and pays for the access to let players use there software, (and sets up the sceneiros to play under) , u have no rights when u log to that system. u do however have a choice, to play there or not too play there. if u dont like it then go someplace else. but to whine about the sysops choice on how he wants things done on his server is pure stupidity.