Hello everyone,

I just wanted to make a comment, I ran a BBS about 7 years ago with TW2002 v2 and used to compete in tournaments... I was recently sick, and decided to try out some of the new 'TWGS Servers', I must say, it's the same game, great as always, but the Players sure ruin it now!

Out of the 10 Servers I tried, I found 3 - PATHETICALLY slow, I'm talkin 10 minutes to use 100 turns! and 4 - 5 are ruled by Dupes, you can get as early a start as you want, but the dupes will come in and wipe out everything, ruining it for everyone!

A few of the servers I found this to be the case on are PRP Game Server and CoastGames Server, I also read a long report on how 'Overkill' and 'ColSanders' were cheating on their own game, this sort of thing just makes me COMPLETELY sick, this is a game of strategy, and if you don't understand it, or honour it, STAY THE HELL AWAY!!

Anyways, a word to the old TW-aholics, stay AWAY from the unlimited turn games, and probably you should only take the games you have to register to play on serious, otherwise be prepared to be heart-broken when a duper comes on for 48 hours with 3 other 'auto-corp-mates' and completely screws over the game!

(BTW - Two other people I've found doing this "dogmeat" "Platinum Warrior" (who I wouldn't be surprised is Overkill with a name change))

These LOSERS probably don't know how to tie their own shoes let alone play a GOOD game of TW!

Anyhow, thats my report as a TW Junkie from the 80's checking out the scope of TWGS Game Servers..

-BK

quote:Originally posted by Arkadic

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to make a comment, I ran a BBS about 7 years ago with TW2002 v2 and used to compete in tournaments... I was recently sick, and decided to try out some of the new 'TWGS Servers', I must say, it's the same game, great as always, but the Players sure ruin it now!

Out of the 10 Servers I tried, I found 3 - PATHETICALLY slow, I'm talkin 10 minutes to use 100 turns! and 4 - 5 are ruled by Dupes, you can get as early a start as you want, but the dupes will come in and wipe out everything, ruining it for everyone!

A few of the servers I found this to be the case on are PRP Game Server and CoastGames Server, I also read a long report on how 'Overkill' and 'ColSanders' were cheating on their own game, this sort of thing just makes me COMPLETELY sick, this is a game of strategy, and if you don't understand it, or honour it, STAY THE HELL AWAY!!

Anyways, a word to the old TW-aholics, stay AWAY from the unlimited turn games, and probably you should only take the games you have to register to play on serious, otherwise be prepared to be heart-broken when a duper comes on for 48 hours with 3 other 'auto-corp-mates' and completely screws over the game!

(BTW - Two other people I've found doing this "dogmeat" "Platinum Warrior" (who I wouldn't be surprised is Overkill with a name change))

These LOSERS probably don't know how to tie their own shoes let alone play a GOOD game of TW!

Anyhow, thats my report as a TW Junkie from the 80's checking out the scope of TWGS Game Servers..

-BK

I can't speak to prp, but with coastgames, if you find people you suspect are duping, contact the sysop (jerry@coastgames.com) and tell him. He is a very responsible sysop and will investigate it and ban the people if they are shown to be dupes. As to 'ColSanders' cheating on his own game, I can only assume that's someone trying to cause problem for 'Col Sanders' (the sysop of The Chicken Coop). Even though I don't always agree with him, he has always seemed very fair in running his game server.

I can understand your fustrations, but not all TW servers are like that. Check out http://www.twlinks.com for a list of good servers, http://www.twgs.org has some good info where you can find where the high class players play at. http://www.planettw.com is my own site and server and I track DUPs all the time. Dont give up on TW there are good servers out there maybe I can help point you to some of em. And Coast games tends to be an excellent server. The sysop does a fine job there. just alert him of the DUPs and I am sure he will take care of it.
Silver Dragon (SYSOP Hardcoded TWGS)
http://www.planettw.com (The Tradewars Home World!)
telnet://hardcoded.dnsalias.org (DUAL 850 MGHZ!)

quote:Originally posted by -=sdragon=-

I can understand your fustrations, but not all TW servers are like that. Check out http://www.twlinks.com for a list of good servers, http://www.twgs.org has some good info where you can find where the high class players play at. http://www.planettw.com is my own site and server and I track DUPs all the time. Dont give up on TW there are good servers out there maybe I can help point you to some of em. And Coast games tends to be an excellent server. The sysop does a fine job there. just alert him of the DUPs and I am sure he will take care of it.
Silver Dragon (SYSOP Hardcoded TWGS)
http://www.planettw.com (The Tradewars Home World!)
telnet://hardcoded.dnsalias.org (DUAL 850 MGHZ!)


You seemed to be missing the dupe in the last game D... there were only like 125 people in he game and about 100 of those were 1 person entering over and over....

I realize I don't post terribly much here, but I figured I'd drop my own $.02 for once. I used to run a BBS back in the day (read: dial-up) and I can sympathize. I miss the old ways, when running a board was actually considered a respectable hobby. There were no two boards exactly alike, but the one constant was that anyone who took the time to setup a board, front-end mailer, door games and whatever else, usually had the dedication to maintain the system once it was up. There were few if any sysops who didn't spend their free time monitoring the system or otherwise 'tweaking' it. Every message or email sent to the sysop got a personal response, and duping wasn't anywhere near as much the problem, for obvious reasons.

Perhaps the problem is that TWGS is so much easier to setup than a full BBS that even the low calibre, undedicated, power-trippers can manage. Having been to a few TWGS's and emailed a few admins, I can honestly say that there are some people out there who fit this description to the letter. Reminds me of all the 'script kiddie' lamerz on IRC who think running Mafiascript makes them some sort of hacker, LOL.

Anyway, for what it's worth I believe that like anything else there's good and bad in the mix. Probably a larger pool of bad systems out there than there were back in the day, but that doesn't mean you can't find a good one if you look. I don't play TW anymore, so I wouldn't know where to begin the search. I'm sure others know a lot more than me with regards to where the best games are.

Hope it works out for ya.

Don't believe everything you read, and just as important, make sure you understand what you read. As for me cheating, thats a blatant lie. As for dupes, you need to tell the sysop when you see dupes. I try to keep my server clean of them as does jerry and Silver Dragon as do most other sysops. Its harder these days because its now free to play. Anyway, TW players are no different then they ever were, so they make untrue accusations and such just they always have.

It sadens me to see this happen to a game that involves strategy and common sense to play I mean come on sure u can cheat on games like Delta Force 2 Quake 3 and other but I mean TW what for you have no real good excuse except that maybe ur a sicotic idiot trying to screw the internet up and Its not going to happen this has never happened on my serves and probably never will buit when it does boy oh boy will there sum price to pay since TWGS logs ur ip have a nice day

Wow!! I must say I am shocked to see coastgames and Overkill mentioned in your message.

First of all, I have played on Coast Games for over 2 years and I find it to be one of the best boards around. The server is always up and the board always runs very fast. Second of all dupers are not tolerated by the Sysop or the majority of the member players. I know for a fact that Jerry checks for dupes on a regular basis and if you suspect someone of duping he will look into it right away.I find it highly slanderous that you would accuse the sysop and criticize a board based on your poor playing skill. Yes I have seen you there on the board and the reason you don't last long is because you need to improve your playing skills. If you would have talked to some of us we probably would have taken you in and taught you a few things. We almost always take in a newbie player every game.

As to your criticism of Overkill it is just plain not true. I have played a few games with Overkill over the last year and he does not cheat. Anyone who knows me or my reputation knows I have no tolerance for dupers and cheaters. And if he did cheat, friend or not, I would report him to the Sysop immediately.

I to was a Sysop once upon a time. And your statement just goes to show how unappreciated they are today. Those Sysops out there running the boards don't get paid. They do it as a favor to us. It is people like you that ruin good boards by aggravating the Sysops to the point where they shut down their games.

As to your statment about Col Sanders, I find that to be totally untrue as well. I have known him for quite awhile and I have even cruised around in the games on his board as well. (Shocked aren't you Chicken man?) I find him to be a talented player and a very above board and fair sysop.

My advice to you now is to change your name and your attitude. I bet you never once asked the Sysops of these boards that you are here slandering to check for dupes. Nor did you ask them to check to see if the players on the board were above cheating did you?

If there is one thing I hate more than dupes and cheaters, it is people who come in here slandering the good names of some of the best people in the TW community. It is a good thing I am a woman that has a very long memory.

Kiss Kiss,

The Bohemian

Oh and one more thing. Next time pick a game with aliens. The one you picked at coastgames had no aliens. A game that has no aliens pretty much means that it is a war game of player against player. No aliens to keep us busy in the beginning which means players end up dead. And you made it so easy by being in such an OBVIOUS bubble.

Nothing I like better then killing all those guys out there with over inflated egos.

Kiss Kiss,

The Bohemian

Okay this is bull you know what. I run a Darn fine server and I give it all my spare time. I run IP checker once a week and try to run down dupes. Sometimes Real life gets in the way and I am unable to check as often as I would like. At any rate when someone brings it up I check into right then and there. As for Overkill I have Darn near a years work of TWGS entry logs showing IPS and names and to this date I have never found one where Overkill was duping. NEVER.

As for Connection speed I guess that is your end. Many people think it is fast. I have a 10/100 hooked up 2 hops away from our T1's. We have a 10 megabit pipe for our internet.

Also a note to all I am almost done with my Closed entry to games. Once that is up It will be harder to dupe as I can track down IPS of users who visit the page.

Sysop
Coastgames.com

hey old tiemr i find that very true that u check this and it is true it is very hard to set up a server and keep track of it because sumtimes real life is way greater then anything else now you people come here and blame the sysops for this mess I DO NOT SEE YOU GUYS RUNNING A TWGS OR A BBS BOARD also i hate it when people dupe or cheat as much as the next but when u slander boards that u suck at its not that great... I wouldn't be suprised if any1 who is complaining and slandering the boards is cheating in fact I hope and I dont regret what i say I hope the board bans whiners like you people

Coastgames has now moved to being a Closed game environment to help in preventing DUPES. This does not mean a slow process in being added to a game. It is all done web based and you are only limited to your connection speed. On dialup from home yesterday I was added into a game within a minute.

When you go through being added to a game you are also added to a database for that game which will prevent someone from trying to get in again. That table will be emptied every time a game is redone.

This site has been a goal of mine for some time. There is a link on my http://www.coastgames.com for this area. Once you go there you will see game specs for all games I am running. The direct link to the page itself is: http://www.coastgames.com/closedgame/games.php

Jerry Brown
AKA Oldtimer
Sysop Coastgames.com
twgs.coastgames.com
http://www.coastgames.com

There are many boards out there who have a zero tolerance for dupes, and they really are quite easy to find. Coastgames is one of those, as are most servers associated with the TWLeague.

Because you were a sysop yourself you know for a fact that you can't be online checking everyone every moment. Dupes may happen even on the best run boards. If you see one that has slipped through the cracks, a tactful message to the sysop may show you whether or not you wish to stay on that board.

Stardock Omega is also one of those non-dupe tolerating boards. If you suspect a dupe, I need to know about it. Because it runs behind a BBS front, we can and do check IPs with just a few keystrokes. The BBS also maintains a log of all logons and attempts including date/time/IP address. We do allow it in MajorMud, but that is paid access.

Overall, the majority of players are honest and don't stoop to dupes. It is sad that a few feel that need.

Pagan
Sysop/Owner
Stardock Omega
http://www.hubtoo.com/tw.html
telnet:hubtoo.com port 23

hey pyewacket what bbs prog. do u run ur through?

My closed system seems to be working so far without flaws since yesterday. Quick entry into games is a plus there. Now that a person does not have to spend as much time ipchecking they are available for other TWGS related issues (like different games)

Thanks to all those who stick up for Coastgames and Myself. Over 3 1/2 years I have devoted alot of time into trying to keep a good server. Your positive feedback makes it all worth it.

Jerry