Heheh of course it was arrogant, this is smack <G>. Anyway, I don't have time for unlimiteds, and again, I am not into the arcade style. I am sure there is alot of strategy to it, but its more RTS style, than is is boardgame style. Risk is a strategy game, and there are no online kill antics involved. Whether an invasion is online or offline is immaterial. It still takes strategy and intelligence to plan out your path to universal domination, even if it involves killing people while they are offline. The boredom you speak of <G>, what makes the games boring? Only answer is, the people playing it. I don't need, or even want to get into a live battle with another 5 times a day, hell once a week is enough for me <G>. I would rather build assets and an empire with the goal of using it to crush some else's empire. Thats what good TW has always been to me. If I want action, I load up a real game like Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds, I don't play some lame text game for action. Anyway, what came aross as arrogant, let me restate. In the big action games, with high turns and all that jazz, you could be a fantast strategist, in other words, really good at planning invasions, setting defenses, setting up empires for cashing, running turns etc etc, but if you have a bad connection, or are just piss slow, you have no shot at being competitive. While in the games I advocate, everyone has a pretty much equal shot at the game. I am not saying all games should be this way either. You guys can have your unlimiteds and such.. All I am saying is I won't call someone Elite, or one of the top players, till the can play TW the traditional way, and still compete. Prestone can. hELLCAT can, krikey, even Gypsy can. Those are just some to give you an idea of what I am talking about. Can Kemper? I bet he could, would he stick out a game like that, and would it be fun for him, not sure. But I bet he COULD do it. Bone on the other hand, a guy were talking about, hasn't shown it yet. Neither has Res, though I give Res props for all kinds of other stuff and abilities, he is not interested in this type of game, thats fine, but it also means he is limited in what he can claim to be great at.

Col Sanders

quote:If I want action, I load up a real game like Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds

haha yea, i quit playin TW for a while and stuck to starcraft and sudden strike, then i was told about the campus party games

quote:but if you have a bad connection, or are just piss slow, you have no shot at being competitive.

when i play against these guys my average ping times are between 400 and 600ms, i know my connection is at a disadvantage so I always make sure i get the first attack in, if i dont, i run i've never died due to my connection, everytime i die its because of my mistakes

quote:All I am saying is I won't call someone Elite, or one of the top players, till the can play TW the traditional way, and still compete.

no one was calling him elite, they were dishing out compliments, which is why i didnt respond with BS, sure its the smack talk section but he deserved those compliments so i wasn't gonna **** on'em

FYI, these unlimiteds we play in on campus party (and recently, unchartedspace) last a day or so, where the stock games require at least a few hours a day for weeks at a time, where taking a day off can ruin you

i got tired of losing stock games due to not being available 24/7, so now i play unlimiteds that last maybe 6 hours on 1 day

Heh, that why I like low turn stock games, i can miss 3 or 4 days in a row, and not be ruined, the amout of ground I lose obviously depending on the stage of the game. I have started to get annoyed at people though, claiming that 1/4 move delay, and 1 second photons is not enough. As if the game should be easy, and planets should mean nothing. It bothers me that people are not thinking outside their boxes. The reason politics matter in these slower games is because you can't just wipe a good player out in one day super easily, it takes planning, strategy and work. And whats more, you can't just go on a spree and kill off 4 other good players, attacking actually costs you something, time you have to spend producing more figs before you can go off willy nilly and attack other people, then you have to also consider defenses in the interim. Its all about resource management. Thats what I like about TW. I am just blessed to have found a game like this in this modern age. And I don't want people that find it "boring" or claim it will run for 5 years to get the game settings changed. Learn to adapt, and play this style, or go back to your high speed action games, but let these game continue to exist for those of us that like them. There, I should get off my soap box, I know I am way off topic here <G>.

Col Sanders

Heh, still kinda pissed about that podding Sanders? Now before i start this post let me say that i hold no illusions about being a good player. Hell, gypsy, kemper, etc have hairs on their head that know more about the game than i do. That being said, the only reason that I am even able to stay alive in the solo games is because of peeps like them that have helped me. Kemper has spent alot of time helping lately and i hope to one day learn to be a good turns player, but you will probably never catch me in many stock games unless they are solo or are a tournament. I will be the first to admit that the games that Loki Survey Alexio and I dominate are so void of any real competition that they shouldnt count. But these games are fun to me and there is always at least ONE decent killer that plays on other teams so it also helps keep me sharp so that i dont get killed by people like Camaro when i do dip my toes into a turns game. I totally respect your opinion on this matter and i think you understand mine. However, I really think that ANYONE who calls themselves elite has to know how to do ALL aspects of TW well. Prestone, Gypsy, hELLCAT, and yes KEMPER for sure fit that bill. You on the other hand...well, offline invasions and killing sux and that is all i will say about that. And BTW, i only played that game to kill you. I told warchild that from day one...once i did it, well, it was boring again. Lastly, i have now played in three solo games and have yet to even give out a pod except for the time the board went down and i was stuck at dock, so i guess that my mentors are at least teaching me to stay alive.

Bone

Sanders...you should really try one of these games that camaro is talking about. All they are is a shoot em up that really helps your ONLINE killing ability. Camaros connection sux and he handed out lots of pods this week, even getting me twice. The one that banged on Saturday was more or less over about two hours in. There is no cashing or coloing or anything so you have no excuse about a slow connection on this game. The first to start their macro wins the battles, which is how cam got me both times. He got the first attack in and he won. Stop making excuses and get you a corp together for Friday night at Campus and come get dealt with. I can guarantee you that if there would be three or four corps of three or four AGGRESSIVE people show up the game would be one of the most fun you have ever played in. However, it is very tough to compete solo, so you had better get at least two other peeps to beat us.

bone

As I said before Bone, you have some fundamentals down, you just don't appreciate having to work for it <G>. I am flattered you played just to kill me, I would willingly let anyone kill me if it gets it out of their system <G>, no need to work for it <G>. And it should not make you to proud, I have been killed by some lowly players. At the same time, I have killed some decent players, I killed Pres several times, more in fact than he has killed me, but I have only BEATEN him once. He has beaten me in 2 WTC's and a solo. (accepting the traditional meaning for whooping)<G>. I have yet to beat Kemper, though neither of us play a ton of games, and we don't seem to go for the same style games, plus he always has his regular corp backing him up <G>, makes it tough. I think Bone could e great as well, but only if he can do it all. Glad you are thanking your teachers Bone, I would love to play *with* Kemper one day, but doubt that my messed up schedule and such would make him want to play with me. Oh well, I learn more from enemies generally, than I do from corpies. So Bone, if you ever want to try one of these games again, let me know. I will likely be playing on the same server in that same game, as long as it has similar settings.

this is one of the problems i have with a lotta TW players

when someone else gets a compliment, theres always someone that jumps up, discredits the one getting the compliment, then tries to direct the spotlight to themselves

which is exactly what sanders is doing

quote:And whats more, you can't just go on a spree and kill off 4 other good players, attacking actually costs you something, time you have to spend producing more figs before you can go off willy nilly and attack other people, then you have to also consider defenses in the interim. Its all about resource management

heh no ****
thats the only positive side to a turn game, its fun to figure out ways to ruin a guys day without spending 50k figs and messing up your alignment. Though logging on just to SDT, or just to furb is boring as hell. Still, unlimited turn edited games (at least the ones where everyone starts with stuff) require quick thinking and you have to come up with a strategy to either kill someone or save your own Butt at the drop of a hat, in a turn game the actions are usually much slower paced, i like challanges i rarely get exitement out of turn games

i've played and won in both types of games and i know whats required to compete in both, but to win at some of these competitive turns games, you have to turn it into a job

I wasn't trying to do any of that. I never painted myself as elite or anything. I was trying to explain what qualities are important in a low turns time limit type game, that are not necessarily there for a high turn game. Its nice that you know how to win those games, but not everyone reading this thread will. Anyway, I gave Bone Collector other compliments, but also contributed, to let him know he is not there yet, there is still a type of game he has to be able to play, before he deserves serious compliments. I don't like buidling up people ego's with meaningless crap. We could all start telling you how great you are, and how you are going to be elite one day yadda yadda, but its kind of stupid, and you would know deep down that people are just spewing crap from their mouths. Anyway <G>, bite me, and then come play against me. Play on my turf, since I am not the one claiming to be the great player, you are gonna have to give me a handicap (ooo, sorry about the finger <G>), and play me in my type of game, cause I know you will kick my Butt in your type of game. And yes, I think, as I have said all along, that Bone is a better than average player <G>, hell he is close to being super-good <G>.

Col Sanders

quote:I don't like buidling up people ego's with meaningless crap. We could all start telling you how great you are, and how you are going to be elite one day yadda yadda, but its kind of stupid, and you would know deep down that people are just spewing crap from their mouths.

either do i, believe me heh, but bone is smart enough to know his strengths and weaknesses, and its arrogant to be making those types of posts after he received those compliments, warranted or not.

quote:Play on my turf, since I am not the one claiming to be the great player, you are gonna have to give me a handicap (ooo, sorry about the finger <G>), and play me in my type of game, cause I know you will kick my Butt in your type of game.

haha handicap? dont worry bout offending me, i've been called everything from "lefty" to "fanblade" [:D] but i dont know if my patience would last in your type of game, they drive me nuts [:)] i saw the edits you picked for that grudge match against prestone, 7 day bust clears and rob delay may make it challange, but in a pain in the butt sort of way [:)] my idea of a challange is somethin that makes you think...if you wanna go at it on hardcoded, 250 turns & 1k sectors, all i ask is rob delay be turned off, i'd like 1 day bust clear but i'd understand the arguement against that

And BTW, it is funny hearing camaro defend me at least kinda sorta defend me. I dont htink he has ever given me a compliment until he pods me twice in less than an hour, heh.

Bone

hahaha i dont compliment anyone bone, personally i've prefered not to hear compliments, so i usually dont give'em [:D] unless your like some people and specifically ask for a compliment hahaha

for some reason i just feel akward giving and receiving compliments, usually when ya give'em you hear a 30 minute rant from the person on how good they are, and when i get'em i usually get a swelled head and **** up, this last paragraph draws from my experience in drag racing, not TW

quote:Originally posted by Col Sanders
All I am saying is I won't call someone Elite, or one of the top players, till the can play TW the traditional way, and still compete. Prestone can. hELLCAT can, krikey, even Gypsy can. Those are just some to give you an idea of what I am talking about. Can Kemper? I bet he could, would he stick out a game like that, and would it be fun for him, not sure. But I bet he COULD do it. Bone on the other hand, a guy were talking about, hasn't shown it yet. Neither has Res, though I give Res props for all kinds of other stuff and abilities, he is not interested in this type of game, thats fine, but it also means he is limited in what he can claim to be great at.
Col Sanders

I've played several many month games. In general they've been between 500 and 1000 turns. When I decide a game is worth winning, I stick with it until it's done. However, most of my long games came when I was still learning. It seems like any more I can't find a game that lasts more than a few weeks, a month at most.

quote:Originally posted by Col Sanders
I have yet to beat Kemper, though neither of us play a ton of games, and we don't seem to go for the same style games, plus he always has his regular corp backing him up <G>, makes it tough.

I'm curious who you think my regular corp is? I play with a LOT of different people.

When I speak of your regular corp, I mean the people I see you play with more often then not lately. Lately, you have played a bunch with Prestone, but generally I think of Ladyrogue and Lyran as being your main stooges <G>. Stooges in a good way though, don't mean to disparage them. Anyway, then we could throw Warchild in, as I know he has expressed a great deal of awe for you <G>. Put those would be the main people, when I think of Kemper bringing *HIS* team, thats who I think of. I know you have played with other people, but I don't associate them with being *YOUR* team in quite the same way.

quote:
After playing with Bone Collector, I would have to say he is well on his way to being great at the game be it turns or unlimiteds. He has the number 1 ingredient which is dedication, he actually shows up to play his turns and plays them all everyday, he also is getting close to having the 2nd most important ingrediant inturns which is knowledge and thinking ahead... I think he will be an elite player very shortly who is ranked right up there wwith the top players of the game...


Haven't had the pleasure of playing with or against Bone Collector, but I like his attitude and I'd certainly trust Gypsy's rating of a player...