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OMYGOD!! I have to insert my two cents worth here. THANK YOU SO MUCH SURVEY because i almost let loki talk me into coming over to this game yesterday. I cannot stand people who suck at TW and try to play God because they have tedit. I bet he even tedits himself stuff when "playing against friends" as he said on his turns games. Geez, what a friggin LOSER. Pink you really shouldnt post games that you are banging unless you plan on keeping them on the honest side. Please dont come on here talking about how you are a "friend to the Newbs". Do them a favor and let them get the hang of the game by learning the hard way. I did. Most of the people i play with did also. Going into tedit and giving them stuff or taking away stuff from the leaders is insane. Instead, try to coach them to be better players. The ones who will quit after being killed are not the kind of people i want to see come into the game anyway. And finally, for the MILLIONTH time, stick to some tame turns games you friggin pansy Butt fags. In saying that, be sure to stay away from Kemper in turns games though as he "killed all the newbs in ten seconds" in the latest one i am playing against him.


God I hate the smack talk forum. First off you have no idea of my skill level in Tradewars so I'll let you say i suck as much as you want. I don't give a crap.. And if you don't want to play on my server then don't I'm not forceing any hands here.. A few players asked me to post the game rebang when it was going online and I did. I've got players that want to play i'm not looking to become the coolest best server out there. I just want my players to have fun.. and if they arn't having fun i would rather they play somewhere else where they can have fun. Its a game and you survey CK or anyone else out there has no right to say it should be run this way or that way.. I bet even JP doesn't think there is a "right" way to run this game. I bet he just wants people to have fun and thats why the game is out here in the first place. and again I just have to remind you all that its a fracking game for gods sake calm down.. if you don't like the way i run my server then don't play on it. The only function I have in game x is game moderation now I don't go loading planets up for people and loading cash up for people they can do that themselves its unlimited turns why wouldn't they? All i'm trying to do is add another element to unlimited turn play.. as always in unlimited turn play you can invest as much or as little time into it as you want.

pink

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heh....FIRST of all, play against him....he'll beat u. AND SECOND, u seem to think he TEDITs whenever he feels that the player is wrong, I think that is better than just BANNING a player. THIS way, the player get tought a lesson and can come back into the game with nothing but a ship missing. THAT is the point of the BORG BOT. Not to go around killing the best players in the list. If u look who is the best in the list, IT ISN't me or Pink. Its other players who DO NOT know Pink. If u wanted to, u coulda come back to the game but u decided to loggin with a dupe account called "youfuckinglyersysop" (VERY mature). So in the end u were banned instead of coming back the next day and picking up where u left off. Your sector is still there somewhere, but nooo, u had to be dicks, now your banned for life.

Bottom Line...LET US NOT FORGET WHY U WERE IN S.H.I.T. TO BEGIN WITH! You guys had been setting up an SD blockade and killing new players before they were in the game for 2 minutes. YOU WERE WARNED, and u ignored the warning, so u got punished. Instead of taking your punishment , u decided to come here and WHINE! Listen, he doesn't want u on that server, or anyone else who agrees with u, so this Posting is USELESS. Stop bitching and go somewhere else.
CYA


OK, if he wants to play against us you and him can come to campus party tonight, no attack for 24 hours. SO we will be even after 24 and then we'll see who is better.

That dupe account was Corporate Killer for the record, and we never had a sector... but you would prolly know better having TEDIT and all. AFAIK I can still login as of 5 min ago so I don't think I am banned for life... but you would prolly know better.

Yes, we were warned... AND I TOOK DOWN THE fracking BLOCK! Why the frack did you forget that part. Then I cloaked out and 30 min later I was dead. Now you say I should of just come back. OK, I did not feel like waiting another day to play, and make back the 50 mil I lost and 65k figs. I had enough when I was killed to win, why would I want to start over when I felt I was killed unfairly by a bot which kills only people who the sysop tells it to. I mean, this was a 20k sector universe, I was cloaked in a deadend and the thing found me in 30 min. You are telling me I was the easist target when there were 5 or 6 other newb players in the game at the same time?

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AND SECOND, u seem to think he TEDITs whenever he feels that the player is wrong, I think that is better than just BANNING a player. THIS way, the player get tought a lesson and can come back into the game with nothing but a ship missing.

cfposi you truly are the dumbest fracking tradewar player I have ever met. First I spend an hour arguring with you over duping at Terra which you seemed to think was just fine. Now I am fracking arguring with you over sysops who use TEDIT to "teach" players a lesson.

The only lesson I was taught by having everything taken away is that this is the one fucked up server that I wish I had never stumbled upon.

Of course I don't have to play there, and of course I won't ever play there again. But as pink mentioned, this is just a game, but still a game that people invest a lot of time in. What I don't like is to be deceived by a sysop playing in his own game who posts no rules and changes them whenever he sees fit. So the time I invested because I had no idea of how the server was being run was shot to hell.

Interesting topic.

In the year and a half I've run my BBS/server I've played once on my own server, in a closed game that wasn't listed on the game menu and where the players were comprised of just me and three very close friends from my TW BBS door game days.

Generally, I never even look at my TWGS console. In fact, the machine that my TWGS runs on has no monitor, no keyboard and no mouse attached... it just sits there and runs faithfully, and I never touch it unless I get a complaint from a player. Once a game is banged, I don't touch TEDIT for any purpose. Once a game begins there's no reason for anyone to ever see TEDIT, let alone modify game data.

Of course, these are just my opinions and how I run my server, and in the end the sysops who pay 45 to 80 bucks for Trade Wars and TWGS have every right to play in their own games, to use TEDIT in any way they see fit, and to make any rules (or lack thereof) that they choose. That is their right, even if I'd never play on a server where the sysop is involved in the games aside from creating the games and booting up the server.

As for killing newbs, I like to see newbies have a chance to learn the game too, but the only real way for people to learn is through trial and error. It's like going to school to become a lawyer... they cram your head full of information that has very little practical use in the reality of the legal world. Most new law students learn more in their first year as interns at law firms than they do throughout their law school years. Same with something as simple as playing Trade Wars... you can coddle new players and give them extra special treatment, but in the end, when they move on to another server, they're just going to get slaughtered because they've actually learned little or nothing.

In the end, I don't think giving newbies special treatment in games serves to help them out at all... in fact, I think it's probably more harmful. Kill them when/if you get the chance, and drop them a note telling them what they did wrong, how you found them, and how they should prevent the same thing from happening next time. I'll kill a newb in a minute if they're on an opposing corp, but I'm always sure to try to teach them how to avoid it the next time around... after all, I do want some competition later one down the road.



Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave

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OMYGOD!! I have to insert my two cents worth here. THANK YOU SO MUCH SURVEY because i almost let loki talk me into coming over to this game yesterday. I cannot stand people who suck at TW and try to play God because they have tedit. I bet he even tedits himself stuff when "playing against friends" as he said on his turns games. Geez, what a friggin LOSER. Pink you really shouldnt post games that you are banging unless you plan on keeping them on the honest side. Please dont come on here talking about how you are a "friend to the Newbs". Do them a favor and let them get the hang of the game by learning the hard way. I did. Most of the people i play with did also. Going into tedit and giving them stuff or taking away stuff from the leaders is insane. Instead, try to coach them to be better players. The ones who will quit after being killed are not the kind of people i want to see come into the game anyway. And finally, for the MILLIONTH time, stick to some tame turns games you friggin pansy Butt fags. In saying that, be sure to stay away from Kemper in turns games though as he "killed all the newbs in ten seconds" in the latest one i am playing against him.



I think that's a little bit of an exageration I didn't kill you until this afternoon. It's 2 days into it, and there are still 3 people alive. Granted, one is stuck unable to move, and the other two haven't left their starting sector yet.

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I think that's a little bit of an exageration I didn't kill you until this afternoon. It's 2 days into it, and there are still 3 people alive. Granted, one is stuck unable to move, and the other two haven't left their starting sector yet.


OMG. Two days into the game and people are still alive?



Just kidding, Kemper.

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave

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HAHAHA....looks like someone is upset that a bot killed him. Dude, get over it. Pink didn't dupe, it was a bot because ive seen it and used it on my own TWGS. The fact that u are replying with personal insults on myself and Pink just shows how your arguments are GROUNDLESS. And that day on terra, for all those who are reading this, I was upset at Survey_says because I thought he were wrong in your asessment of someone duping. For the record, once I spoke to the sysop of the board, I went and APOLOGIZED to u right after. Do you remember THAT? I didn't think so. I won't lower myself to insulting you on a personal level, instead ill just say this about your gameplay...YOU ARE A NO TALENT NEWB KILLING LOSER WHO GETS HIS KICKS BY COMING INTO GAMES AND KILLING MERCHANT CRUISERS WITH 500 FIGS!
Have A Nice Day!

*Proud Member of the Alliance*

Live Long And Prosper!


Actually, the no talent losers would be the ones who keep getting killed in a mf that starts with 500 figs. When I'm trying to dominate a game, I will kill someone starting out every chance I get. You're retarded if you think it is good strategy to let them build up defenses before you kill them.




I hate to say it, BUT for once i have to agree with kemper, i urge every to stay clear of a board where the sysop edits the game so that he and his friends win, this is called cheating, and is a waist of time. I will no longer play on that server, and i suggest you all do the same.




huh?

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OMG. Two days into the game and people are still alive?



Just kidding, Kemper.

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave


Yeah, I know, I suck

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Interesting topic.

In the year and a half I've run my BBS/server I've played once on my own server, in a closed game that wasn't listed on the game menu and where the players were comprised of just me and three very close friends from my TW BBS door game days.


I understand that and on the game I am Playing with on my server its with close freinds and us teaching other close freinds how to play how much they want to learn is up to them. Really i'm not some newbie tradewars player or a newbie sysop for that matter I have run a BBS of some form for many years and tradewars is a way to relax for me and my buddies. I just don't get involved much in this TW community.

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Generally, I never even look at my TWGS console. In fact, the machine that my TWGS runs on has no monitor, no keyboard and no mouse attached... it just sits there and runs faithfully, and I never touch it unless I get a complaint from a player. Once a game is banged, I don't touch TEDIT for any purpose. Once a game begins there's no reason for anyone to ever see TEDIT, let alone modify game data.


I understand this concept and in any normal situation I would agree.. I designed my game to be different. But I wanted to create something new.. and If people don't agree with the way i want this game to be so be it. they are welcome to play on other boards. I am not looking to make new friends. I just do what i want to do. and its an unlimited turn game.. JP himself said he wished that setting had never made it into the game in another forum. So I'll do what i want with my unlimited turn game. maybe just maybe i can create another style of play. anyone can come into a game with unlimited turns and start killing off merchs and setting up SD blocks.. but not every unlimited turn game has a Q that can think for himself and do what he wants.. its unlimited turns for gods sake.. maybe people could start learning how to pick there targets and let the worthless kills go.. -;)

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As for killing newbs, I like to see newbies have a chance to learn the game too, but the only real way for people to learn is through trial and error. It's like going to school to become a lawyer... they cram your head full of information that has very little practical use in the reality of the legal world. Most new law students learn more in their first year as interns at law firms than they do throughout their law school years. Same with something as simple as playing Trade Wars... you can coddle new players and give them extra special treatment, but in the end, when they move on to another server, they're just going to get slaughtered because they've actually learned little or nothing.


I did nothing for the newbies but let them continue to play on my server. As for the more experienced players of the game they can play anytime they want to play. i don't care how they want to play. like i said i'm only going to jump in when i think the game could use it. And I figured to let the game continue past a 1 day bang i should just kill the people that were looking to end my game. So I sent a Borg Cube to kill them. It is my game after all.

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In the end, I don't think giving newbies special treatment in games serves to help them out at all... in fact, I think it's probably more harmful. Kill them when/if you get the chance, and drop them a note telling them what they did wrong, how you found them, and how they should prevent the same thing from happening next time. I'll kill a newb in a minute if they're on an opposing corp, but I'm always sure to try to teach them how to avoid it the next time around... after all, I do want some competition later one down the road.


i don't know just let em play point them and say go... hell if you can walk up on somebody and just kill them just do it... I'm just saying i'll do the same.. when I feel like it.. but i really don't ever feel like killing people unless they piss me off.. I did after all take care of the situation in game play. i created borg cube Drone/Bot Player. And I did advertise the game with ALL Alpha Quandrant Races and Ships. I only want people to have fun. and I will create an environment where more people can have fun. -;)

pink



Edited by - pink on April 20 2002 7:29:43 PM

Edited by - pink on April 20 2002 7:35:58 PM

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Yeah, I know, I suck


Just remember... I didn't say it!

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave

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This mysterious 5 of subjunction 9 borg cube player appears to simply be the sysop playing a 2nd account on his own board!


Rave's Advice: Never play on a server where the sysop plays in his or her own games, and if you run a server, play your games elsewhere. As a player, you'll save yourself a lot of time and energy avoiding situations where a sysop might be cheating and ruining the game for you, and as a sysop playing elsewhere lessens the aggravation of having players accuse you of being a cheating sysop.

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave

"anyone can come into a game with unlimited turns and start killing off merchs and setting up SD blocks.. but not every unlimited turn game has a Q that can think for himself and do what he wants.. its unlimited turns for gods sake.. maybe people could start learning how to pick there targets and let the worthless kills go" quote:
Ok... now all this shows is that you are one of the worthless kills because u run around whining like a brat about people who actually have SKILL! Like most others have said in this forum... its NOT THAT HARD to get around a F.U.C.K.I.N.G SD BLOCK!!!!!!! learn how to play!

-Drunken Master
International
Alcohol
Specialist


I never said it wasn't hard to get around an SD block. All I said was that I killed two players that wanted to end my game. When there are plenty of other players that wanted to continue playing. I could care less what their skill levels are. and I could care less what you think about my skill level. I have never questioned anyone elses skill level on this board or in this game. I am quite sure that anyone that takes the time to visit and read the messages on this system is at least skilled enough to play the game. And I'm quite sure that many of these people are Experts at the game. I'm not questioning that. And I support you in your choice of gaming. I just don't want my server becoming some elitest playing ground. I enjoy teaching others the ins and outs of tradewars. And could care less if this Tradewars Community doesn't share that point of view.

pink

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heh....I think Pink knows how to get around an SD block! What we ARE advocating, is that the newb who comes into the game for the first time DOES NOT! How the heck should they know that the reason they are back in the game menu is because someone set up and SD block? THEY DON'T KNOW THIS! at Exiled, Pink gives the newbs a chance to learn because it has decent players in the game who are willing to put aside their ego and show them the ropes. Pink does NOT baby them, he helps them get started and then sends them out to play, if they get killed then, at least they had a chance to look around the game. I recently had two brothers come online into the game, I took them onto my corp and started helping them relearn the game (they hadn't played for 5 years.) They later thanked me for helping them out and said they were thankful that there were still nice guys around in this game. Do you think they would get the same welcome on any other server?? NO!, they would be #SD# b4 they got 1 sector out of fed. I propose this, If u are willing to help new players learn the game, come to twgs.exiled.org at the next bang. And those of u who enjoy Merchent Cruiser kills, why don't u try this...Add into your script, before it #SD#'s them, a fedspace message saying this: "Sorry I had to kill u dude, this server is kinda fast and furious. Why don't u try going to TWGS.EXILED.ORG and some people there will show u the ropes.".
This way, when they are staring at their game menu screen, not knowing WTF just happened, they can scroll back and see that message. I know for a FACT that that would NOT greatly reduce the speed of your scripts, and it isn't THAT hard to add. Right b4 it executes the script, it will send out that message on fed.
I think this is a reasonable medium that u should look at. And if u still have something against Pink's server, then send them the address of another server instead!
Hope u guys consider this compromise,
L8ter

*Proud Member of the Alliance*

Live Long And Prosper!


I he doesn't like SD blockades, he should put SD next to sector 1.

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heh....I think Pink knows how to get around an SD block! What we ARE advocating, is that the newb who comes into the game for the first time DOES NOT! How the heck should they know that the reason they are back in the game menu is because someone set up and SD block? THEY DON'T KNOW THIS! at Exiled, Pink gives the newbs a chance to learn because it has decent players in the game who are willing to put aside their ego and show them the ropes. Pink does NOT baby them, he helps them get started and then sends them out to play, if they get killed then, at least they had a chance to look around the game. I recently had two brothers come online into the game, I took them onto my corp and started helping them relearn the game (they hadn't played for 5 years.) They later thanked me for helping them out and said they were thankful that there were still nice guys around in this game. Do you think they would get the same welcome on any other server?? NO!, they would be #SD# b4 they got 1 sector out of fed. I propose this, If u are willing to help new players learn the game, come to twgs.exiled.org at the next bang. And those of u who enjoy Merchent Cruiser kills, why don't u try this...Add into your script, before it #SD#'s them, a fedspace message saying this: "Sorry I had to kill u dude, this server is kinda fast and furious. Why don't u try going to TWGS.EXILED.ORG and some people there will show u the ropes.".
This way, when they are staring at their game menu screen, not knowing WTF just happened, they can scroll back and see that message. I know for a FACT that that would NOT greatly reduce the speed of your scripts, and it isn't THAT hard to add. Right b4 it executes the script, it will send out that message on fed.
I think this is a reasonable medium that u should look at. And if u still have something against Pink's server, then send them the address of another server instead!
Hope u guys consider this compromise,


I feel sorry for anyone who is duped into taking advice from you cfposi. Talk about getting off on the wrong foot in tradewars, but I think these players would be better off #SD# then taking advice from one of the worst players in the game.

LoL Survey. Here is my proposal. It is really simple. Honestly how many good people (Kemper, Rave, Survey, etc) have played in an UNLIMITED game that is advertised as a newb game? I NEVER have even though i am still somewhat of a newb. So Pink on your game bang here is the advertisement i propose:

UNLIMITED game banging on twexiled.org. THE only people who should show up are people who are NEW to the game and have no skill. That way I wont have to CHEAT to win a game on my own server. Of course, I and CFPOSI, will be playing and will dictate when it is appropriate to kill and when it isnt. If you break my rule of no killing without my permission i will RUIN the game for you by CHEATING and going into TEDIT and making sure i take your stuff. After i CHEAT you and you make public my habit of CHEATING people on my own server to insure that i and my no-skilled friends can win a game, i will defend my STUPID MORONIC actions to the grave. Period. Remember, no killing without my permission.

With an add like this at least people know what they are going into before spending time on your lame server. Bottom line is this...you are trying to defend an action that has no defense. You can come on here spouting stuff about "my server my rules" all you want to in order to TRY to justify your stupidity. However, once you post PUBLICLY that you are banging a game it is expected that any STUPID RULES you may have also be posted. Otherwise you should not post a public bang. Let me ask you this...When is killing ok? Is it going to be when you decide? After a newb has enough resources that you feel they have become a threat? When do the rest of us know when this time is reached? Are we supposed to wait until you or some newb tries to invade us? That is a stupid rule. I could come on there and say i am a newb so noone can attack me. Then i can build up with no danger of being killed and it would be ok for me to invade survey because he isnt a newb? Even you can surely see where there is no logic in that stupid rule. And finally, where do you get off thinking that you or posi are helping anyone by not allowing them to be killed? Think about the logic in that. ANY game they enter they should understand that if they dont want their day to end they have to stay alive. You teaching them that killing people is bad is not doing them a favor at all. It is ruining their future in this game, not making it better.