Hey Everyone,
My server will be up and running in the beginning week(s) of May.
This computer will be used as a server only, so as long as my ISP has no problems, everything should run excellent!

The system specs are:
Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz 800 mhz FSB 512k cache
Soyo motherboard with HTT and integrated audio and video
1 GB HyperX Kingston PC3200 400 mhz overclocked RAM
120 GB Seagate 8 mb hard drive
Thermaltake Extreme Case with full fan control and reusable filters.
Clear front CD burner by Artec
running Windows XP Pro

As you can see, this computer will have NO problem running TWGS [:D]

I will start with 4 to 6 games to make the servers Début.

I hope your ready for some action!

Elite

Sure is one Sweet computer! (I personally like the specs you picked! [;)])

Can't wait to play, Thanks for hosting the server Elite...

Sounds like a nice enough server. Actually, it sounds like a nice workstation. The reason I post is this: Has anyone actually performed any latency testing to determine the minimum config for a great server? To me, it would seem that a 300MHz Win9x box with 64MB would serve TWGS requests as well as the killer server above. Anyone written scripts that actually tax a TWGS? That would be one of the few ways to get good hard numbers... benchmarks. I have a script that taxes the server, but not in the way 50 players logged in would tax it.

+EP+

Great question Elder. The computer that he is using here is nice and all, however, if I had only half probably even a third of that computers power, I can run a faster more stable server. You can have the Biggest Fastest Machine out there with all the memory in the world, but if your ISP sucks or you are in a node sharing pool that is taxed heavily then your system is going to seen as if it is runing on a 386. TWGS is sending and receiving VERY little incomparison to even browsing the internet. I have played on Elites server and even then he boasted about a nice computer. but we were All Dropped from several times. It was laggy at times. I remember lots of complaints. Probably was not the computers fault but the ISP. If this was happening to just one person then maybe you could contribute this to there connection. In this case it was happening to everyone. Having and or dedicating a Nive big computer to a Text base (very little) ansi game is nice and all but when you start to dealing with Traffic you have to be able to support or handle that traffic. IF elite has fixed this Problem from before, then that is were he should be placing his engery of Boasting.

Also Elder understand that a script or program that you might have or would like to have to tax a server to see what the server can handle will surely get different results at different times of the day and from different locations. I am sure that you were not meaning to be that detailed and prolly thought of that.. I was just explaining for the next that might read. Most sysops will tell you that a nice computer is nice but if even a small computer can usually handle the Traffic as long as you have a connection that can handle the bandwidth.

L8r

quote:Originally posted by MajorPayne

Great question Elder. The computer that he is using here is nice and all, however, if I had only half probably even a third of that computers power, I can run a faster more stable server. You can have the Biggest Fastest Machine out there with all the memory in the world, but if your ISP sucks or you are in a node sharing pool that is taxed heavily then your system is going to seen as if it is runing on a 386. TWGS is sending and receiving VERY little incomparison to even browsing the internet. I have played on Elites server and even then he boasted about a nice computer. but we were All Dropped from several times. It was laggy at times. I remember lots of complaints. Probably was not the computers fault but the ISP. If this was happening to just one person then maybe you could contribute this to there connection. In this case it was happening to everyone. Having and or dedicating a Nive big computer to a Text base (very little) ansi game is nice and all but when you start to dealing with Traffic you have to be able to support or handle that traffic. IF elite has fixed this Problem from before, then that is were he should be placing his engery of Boasting.

Also Elder understand that a script or program that you might have or would like to have to tax a server to see what the server can handle will surely get different results at different times of the day and from different locations. I am sure that you were not meaning to be that detailed and prolly thought of that.. I was just explaining for the next that might read. Most sysops will tell you that a nice computer is nice but if even a small computer can usually handle the Traffic as long as you have a connection that can handle the bandwidth.

L8r



I have to agree with MajorPayne on the traffic issue since we have all experienced net congestion at some point in time. Sites such as cnet.com and yahoo.com even have slow response times due to congestion - so it becomes an issue more of the "road" between the user and the host server than actual server capability and maybe even a single ISP.

Elite has dedicated a system that should make certain that he has the processing capability to respond quickly to whatever number of users that might be running ztm and/or colonizing scripts at the same time. I have no knowledge of the processing that goes on with Twars, but the i/o with the user would appear to be a minimal part of that. Of course running under Windows has its own drawbacks when it comes to resource usage.....

               / Promethius / Enigma / Wolfen /

"A man who has no skills can be taught, a man who has no honor has nothing."

You have to remember that the server Elite was running before, was his main computer and he plays tradewars as well on other servers. There fore, some of the lag and problems you were experienceing were not his ISP, but his computer being so bogged down. (im sure he had to surf the web some as well). but I do know that when he was not at the keys and at work, his server ran very fast and no lag at all.

Only one way to tell, wait a couple weeks and jump on the server and test it out for your self again.

The computer he is going to use as the server, will only be acting as a server. He will not be browsing the internet or downloading all that "fun" stuff

Ohh, About the specs you'd need to run a good server with little to no lag with a lot of nodes... I'm sure P3's would work fine, and you probably wouldnt need all that much memory.
Elite built this computer to run as a TWGS server and left possibilities open to use it as something else later if he wanted. Like another server/host for something else, if he so desiered. He didnt just build this computer out of the blue ONLY for tradewars... he wanted to make sure he could do more in the future.

quote:Originally posted by ElderProphet

Sounds like a nice enough server. Actually, it sounds like a nice workstation. The reason I post is this: Has anyone actually performed any latency testing to determine the minimum config for a great server? To me, it would seem that a 300MHz Win9x box with 64MB would serve TWGS requests as well as the killer server above. Anyone written scripts that actually tax a TWGS? That would be one of the few ways to get good hard numbers... benchmarks. I have a script that taxes the server, but not in the way 50 players logged in would tax it.

+EP+


I can tell you, the computer you describe can run one game of twars on the TWGS. I wouldn't run any more than one without a 333Mgz. I mean, it would work, but you'd have problems.

quote:Originally posted by Supreme Galactic Overlord


I can tell you, the computer you describe can run one game of twars on the TWGS. I wouldn't run any more than one without a 333Mgz. I mean, it would work, but you'd have problems.



It sounds like you speak from experience
ahh, the days of 333 are finally coming to an end! You just have to love the newer stuff! (the stuff that works anyways!)[:D]

Well, that's just it. Anyone can speculate. I want to hear "I ran a TWGS on a PII 300, 64MB and it worked great" or "The users on my TWGS complained when it was a P166, but loved it after upgrading to a PIII 550" or "The first 5 users on my PII 450 were cool, but more than 5 created lag until I upped the memory to 128MB." Case studies. Real experiences and testing. Anyone? Anyone at all? I suppose I could repost, but Elite's post led into it nicely.

+EP+

Does it really matter?
if you have an old computer like that, try running TWGS on it... if not, build a new one. These days, you can build a GREAT t-wars server for less than 400-500 easy. (hehe, im talking like that isnt much money, but for just a computer that you wont use besides hosting a game for "others" to play! hehe)
ohh well... It would be nice to hear from others who have hosted on the older machines. (sorry if someones still using one of those for there main computer!)

quote:Originally posted by ElderProphet

Well, that's just it. Anyone can speculate. I want to hear "I ran a TWGS on a PII 300, 64MB and it worked great" or "The users on my TWGS complained when it was a P166, but loved it after upgrading to a PIII 550" or "The first 5 users on my PII 450 were cool, but more than 5 created lag until I upped the memory to 128MB." Case studies. Real experiences and testing. Anyone? Anyone at all? I suppose I could repost, but Elite's post led into it nicely.

+EP+

Ok , I ran Vid's World on a pentium 200mhz with 586 mg ram and a 3gb or 6gb HD .. was a long time ago ..it was on dialup.
There was plenty of lag at times but that is cause it was my main computer as well.

When I got dsl , things sped up and I moved server to P2 500mhz
but now its on a 1.7ghz system with lots of ram and HS space ..its dedicated nothing else but a twgs , world time and firewall run on that box.
I use a router for the other systems here.

I hope this helps in your research of servers [:)]

Update:

Servers all set up and working great. I'm still working on getting a perminate address for the server so I dont have to use IP.
As long as I can get that address set up with no problems, The server will be up May 5th.

Specs again are:
Pentium 4 2.8 Ghz 800 mhz FSB 512k cache
Soyo motherboard with HTT and integrated audio and video
1 GB HyperX Kingston PC3200 400 mhz overclocked RAM
120 GB Seagate 8 mb hard drive
Thermaltake Extreme Case with full fan control and reusable filters.
Clear front CD burner by Artec
running Windows XP Pro