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getting deep in here......

illusion, i only remember seeing you stick around in one game, it was a long time ago, that BOTE warmup game on fament, you were doing the same talk your doing now, about how good you are and all that crap

xanos and his corp had you guys out within 2 days

Chris Rose
http://www.geocities.com/camaro81rk


only stick around in 1 game?
i''ve only ever dropped out of 1 LOL
camero you've only seem me in 1 cause you play the lame games all the time,
lets see what i have played:

bote 00, 01
wtc 00, 01,
hht 00,01
uso 00

uso 00 we finished 3rd (Nav Haz ultd)
bote 00 we finished 3rd (wolfpack)
wtc 01 we won (GoodGuys)
bote 01 we won (Coast Games) i did drop that, was in the middle of finals, and between studying and playing i got burnt of it and dropped



Prime Evil illusion
Running: [ill-script]
Get Them Before They Get You!

Rave, I have to doubt some of what you say. While you were the only one to survive the USO without a podding, you also NEVER left your secure space. Had you any balls and wandered into space we would have nailed you to a wall and then had our way with you . As for "Kitty-Cashing" I still want an explanation on how that works. I find it amazing that, after spending your figs on Kemper's corp in USO, you were able to make enough creds to completely wipe out my corp in just a week or two. You had certain advantages that I can give credit for part of it, you guys had way way way more of the universe figg'ed thanks to Xide and hELLCAT, and my corpies were not on at good times of the day to take back ports and such. Its frustrating, part of our strategy was to keep your corp alive, which we did early on not wipe you out when we had the chance, and thus hope you and corp 1 would go at it and keep each other weak, thus giving us the strong side and allowing us to win. Well, because corp 1 got booted, our strategy quickly went to pot, and you know the rest. I still want that explanation though.

Col Sanders

"Jedi do not concern me" -The Sith

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LMFAO thats the best joke i've heard in along time
your an average player at best Rave.
I would slaughter you,
it wouldnt even be a game


Average? Average?!? Heh. I'm above average! I'm beyond spectacular! I'm beyond the playing ability of mere mortals such as yourself.

Hmm... okay I've been up too long again... exasperation\\sigh

However, I'll let my record speak for itself. I've played in six (I think) serious games over the past two years. (Yes, just six.)

Of the three played on The Deep South, I won two and lost one. Of the two I won, I played (for the majority of the time) solo against corps of three to four players. (Granted, in the third game I really wasn't too interested in it, pretty much logging in only to chat with Lady Ice, but unlike others who make excuses for their defeats, I consider the game a loss regardless of whether or not I was dedicated to playing daily.)


In one of these games didnt you have xide come in and run his cim port report script? you know the one where you gave him your data file after you fired e-probes in all the bubbles. then xide just ran his script and waited for someone to port or lay a fig at a port and bingo He was there killing them? and you didnt even use your real name. well I can see why. give me a break, hardly solo and our corp quit after we realized what that script did and how it worked, hardly fair. so dont talk about how you won playing solo.

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I played one game on HardCoded with Xide. We did extremely well as a two person corp against larger corps. We lost that game, courtesy of Kemper3 who waited until me and Xide spent a week dealing out (and taking) significant damage to/from the Borg, a four-man team. If we hadn't both been #SD#'d at the same time, I think the outcome of the game would have been different, but Kemper took advantage of the double #SD# and walled off Terra with 100% NavHaz. (Good game, by the way, Kemper, even if you guys won by avoiding any serious engagements.)

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave


I would like to point out that you were both #SD#'d because I found and blew up xide (and your lvl 2 planets) after taking out the borg. Also, as to avoiding conflict, I seem to recall you guys trying to take ferrengal as it was going lvl 4, and ending up in pods.

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Rave, I have to doubt some of what you say. While you were the only one to survive the USO without a podding, you also NEVER left your secure space. Had you any balls and wandered into space we would have nailed you to a wall and then had our way with you . As for "Kitty-Cashing" I still want an explanation on how that works. I find it amazing that, after spending your figs on Kemper's corp in USO, you were able to make enough creds to completely wipe out my corp in just a week or two. You had certain advantages that I can give credit for part of it, you guys had way way way more of the universe figg'ed thanks to Xide and hELLCAT, and my corpies were not on at good times of the day to take back ports and such. Its frustrating, part of our strategy was to keep your corp alive, which we did early on not wipe you out when we had the chance, and thus hope you and corp 1 would go at it and keep each other weak, thus giving us the strong side and allowing us to win. Well, because corp 1 got booted, our strategy quickly went to pot, and you know the rest. I still want that explanation though.

Col Sanders

"Jedi do not concern me" -The Sith


I think they spent a couple of million figs on our ore, and maybe 200k more on the figs of the 3 planets they took. We zdy'd most of our figs and planets when we no longer felt we had a chance to win.

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getting deep in here......

illusion, i only remember seeing you stick around in one game, it was a long time ago, that BOTE warmup game on fament, you were doing the same talk your doing now, about how good you are and all that crap

xanos and his corp had you guys out within 2 days

Chris Rose
http://www.geocities.com/camaro81rk


I hate to have to stick up for illusion, but as a corp it was decided to quit playing that game not very long into it. It was a warmup game, and when we quit, xanos's corp had maybe 3k figs total. As such, there was nothing more to do in that game.

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only stick around in 1 game?
i''ve only ever dropped out of 1 LOL
camero you've only seem me in 1 cause you play the lame games all the time,
lets see what i have played:

bote 00, 01
wtc 00, 01,
hht 00,01
uso 00

uso 00 we finished 3rd (Nav Haz ultd)
bote 00 we finished 3rd (wolfpack)
wtc 01 we won (GoodGuys)
bote 01 we won (Coast Games) i did drop that, was in the middle of finals, and between studying and playing i got burnt of it and dropped



Prime Evil illusion
Running: [ill-script]
Get Them Before They Get You!


bote 00: You were gone within a month http://tradewars.fament.com/bote2000/BO ... s8.20.html

bote 01: You quit playing about 1 month in. You logged in every now and then to not time out for a while after that, but you didn't do anything. Considering you played 30 days of a 230 day game, then allowed yourself to time out, you have a lot of nerve considering yourself a winner.

hht 01: The game only lasted a couple of weeks.

hht 00: You were eliminated. Unfortunately, I can't find a date for it. Considering your ceo and another team member timed out, I would imagine it was pretty early in the game.

There have been a whole slew of games on eleq's server where you would show up, play for 3 or 4 days, then not come back. I can't speak to your performance in the other games you listed, as I have no way of finding out how little you played. However, if other experience counts, you can discount illusion after 30 days max.



Edited by - Kemper_3 on May 23 2002 11:42:24 AM

actually the only one in here that has proof how good he is, is kemper. hes usually the one calling the shots in his corp and his corp usually does good in whatever game they're in

rave, lewdpotatoe is right, you hide behind xide, come to think of it i dont think i ever seen you in a game without him? btw i never got podded either in USO till my corp quit and i decided to go in and frack with everyones figs thats because i never left our SDT area, you dont hear me braggin about that crap

i was on that borg corp and the only reason you guys got on there was cause my 2 corpies got kicked offline, at least when kemper went at them, he had to deal with a sector defense script btw, how did you find us, was it XIDE's CIM script? i do remember in that little conflict you went #SD# though, cause i killed you, i forgot how but i do remember capturing your ISS and getting the pod. before you died I remember I was all over our sector in a havoc with 99 figs tryin like hell to get away from xide and you never left dock to help him or maybe that was after you died, i dont remember

"Then again, have you ever stuck around in a game... other than in a pod"

when i got a corp i stick around i dont remember ever bailing on a game my corp was still playing



Chris Rose
http://www.geocities.com/camaro81rk

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Rave, I have to doubt some of what you say. While you were the only one to survive the USO without a podding, you also NEVER left your secure space. Had you any balls and wandered into space we would have nailed you to a wall and then had our way with you .


I left secured space quite a bit, especially at the start of the game, mostly do to miskeys and macros blowing up in my face. There was the time I was busting planets and my macro sent me back to the TWGS menu... while Tweety was online and at Dock. As luck would have it, his SD attack script was filtering out R's (Radio) and refused to trigger on my sector messages.

The first night of the game, I had a macro blow (I think it was a macro) and I went careening across the universe, only to hit one of Corp 1's figs. I spent about a minute running blind across the universe, bumping into more of their figs while being eprobed by Tweet.

There are -many- more instances of that kind of stuff happening. As for never leaving secured space, what in the heck do you think us reds are? Expendable? Blues hunt, reds stay safe and cash. I did my duty for the majority of the game, didn't get podded even once, either by opponents or through fusing/navhaz/etc. That's not too bad, in my opinion.

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As for "Kitty-Cashing" I still want an explanation on how that works. I find it amazing that, after spending your figs on Kemper's corp in USO, you were able to make enough creds to completely wipe out my corp in just a week or two. You had certain advantages that I can give credit for part of it, you guys had way way way more of the universe figg'ed thanks to Xide and hELLCAT, and my corpies were not on at good times of the day to take back ports and such.


Kitty Cash had nothing to do with the outcome of the USO or our ability to take you out after dealing with Kemper's corp. Kitty Cash was eliminated as a cashing option in .55... I personally saw to and lobbied JP to remove it. It was, without a doubt, a game stopper. Three reds SDFing in a 800 turn game can make what? About 35 to 40 million? (I'm not a big SDF fan so you'll have to forgive my ignorance if I'm wrong.) Kitty Cash could net those same three reds 105 million or more.

As for the cashing cycle itself... sorry, there are still many, many pre-revision .55 servers on the net, and there's no reason to spoil other players enjoyment of the game by releasing a gamestopping cashing cycle.

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Its frustrating, part of our strategy was to keep your corp alive, which we did early on not wipe you out when we had the chance, and thus hope you and corp 1 would go at it and keep each other weak, thus giving us the strong side and allowing us to win. Well, because corp 1 got booted, our strategy quickly went to pot, and you know the rest. I still want that explanation though.


And think about this. It was about the time that we took out Kemper's corp that I finally got supremely frustrated with the way the USO was turning out and quit running turns. Corp 6 still outcashed you being one player short. I honestly couldn't tell you how they did it, or even when/how they finally took you guys out. I was logging in to chat only, and paid very little attention to the game. If I could give you details, I would, but since I don't have any, I can't.

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave
EIS Product Support

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In one of these games didnt you have xide come in and run his cim port report script? you know the one where you gave him your data file after you fired e-probes in all the bubbles. then xide just ran his script and waited for someone to port or lay a fig at a port and bingo He was there killing them? and you didnt even use your real name. well I can see why. give me a break, hardly solo and our corp quit after we realized what that script did and how it worked, hardly fair. so dont talk about how you won playing solo.


Yep, I got some help from Xide for about a week and a half in the game you and Haolemon were playing in. (A rather unserious game that I counted among the six games I played only because I stayed in the game for so long.) He nailed five or six players with his CIM hunter... not a big deal... and played part-time for only a week and a half or so. Silver Dragon tried to help out with the cashing, but scheduling conflicts kept him from really helping. Speedy played for two nights running furbs for me.

For the majority of the game I had a single corpmate, the guy who I'd picked up at the very beginning. And even he timed out before the game was over, leaving me to finish it solo.

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave
EIS Product Support

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I would like to point out that you were both #SD#'d because I found and blew up xide (and your lvl 2 planets) after taking out the borg. Also, as to avoiding conflict, I seem to recall you guys trying to take ferrengal as it was going lvl 4, and ending up in pods.


That I don't quite recall, but then again that game was what? Going on a year ago now? I do remember making the mistake of capturing Ferrengal as a Level 3. The intent was to blow it and keep anyone else from getting their grubby little hands on it. Only after taking the planet did I realize that it was set to Invincible. Faced with a decision to either hand it over at no cost to another corporation, or deploy assets to defend it, or at least make it equally expensive for another corp to take as it had been for us, we decided to upgrade to Level 4 and try to keep our hands on it.

Of course, that didn't work (but you know that). I eventually ended up sitting on the planet prompt waiting for you guys to come take it, but HardCoded was having serious connection issues back then and my normally good connection gave up the ghost and left me sitting in the sector several times that I can remember. It's very plausible that I was podded during that operation, though like I said, I can't remember the specifics.

All in all, it was an excellent game! Very fun and very fast paced (at least it seemed so to me). That is one game that I can honestly say I didn't mind losing just because Xide and I stuck through that game so well playing against full corps such as Shimmering Haze and the Borg (and effectively eliminating the Borg ourselves).

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave
EIS Product Support

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(and effectively eliminating the Borg ourselves).

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave
EIS Product Support


The borg had lvl 4 planets, you had lvl 2 planets. They also had a lot more figs than you. I don't understand how you consider that eliminating the borg. Oh well. As to a long time ago, I remember how most of the games I have played for the past year and a half have gone, from start to finish. But I do agree, it was a good game. One of the more competative non-tournaments games I've seen.

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actually the only one in here that has proof how good he is, is kemper. hes usually the one calling the shots in his corp and his corp usually does good in whatever game they're in


Again, I'll let my record speak for itself.

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rave, lewdpotatoe is right, you hide behind xide, come to think of it i dont think i ever seen you in a game without him? btw i never got podded either in USO till my corp quit and i decided to go in and frack with everyones figs thats because i never left our SDT area, you dont hear me braggin about that crap


I have no need to hide behind anyone, even Xide. I play with Xide for one reason and one reason only... he's fun to play with! I made the decision after WTC to corp with Xide whenever and wherever possible. There isn't a single player out there that I have played with or against that makes the game as fun as he does.

As for leaving SDT area, in addition to all the stupid macro blow ups that I had in USO that left my cute little tail hanging out in the wind, I also spent several nights doing gridwork. Admittedly I wasn't very fast at it, as it was the first time I'd done -any- serious gridwork in a tournament-level game. I was rather nervous throughout the affair, as Xide can attest to, but I survived... so saying that I never left secured space just doesn't cut it.

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i was on that borg corp and the only reason you guys got on there was cause my 2 corpies got kicked offline, at least when kemper went at them, he had to deal with a sector defense script btw, how did you find us, was it XIDE's CIM script? i do remember in that little conflict you went #SD# though, cause i killed you, i forgot how but i do remember capturing your ISS and getting the pod. before you died I remember I was all over our sector in a havoc with 99 figs tryin like hell to get away from xide and you never left dock to help him or maybe that was after you died, i dont remember


That wasn't the only reason. Whether or not your connections to HardCoded were acting up, it wouldn't have changed much... I just took advantage of the fact you were offline in order to reduce the risks. On one day I made three runs on your sector while you all were online, trying to take out that unmanned Missile Frigate you had in your door (??) sector. Unfortunately, and I'll readily admit this, I'm actually quite terrible with macros. All three attempts failed, and I didn't have the turns to keep trying.

I honestly couldn't tell you how we found you... I can tell you the only podding/#SD# that you Borg dished out to me, that I can distinctly remember, was after I (brazenly but very stupidly) chased after a player in a MisFri and ended up getting photoned). Either you and one of your Borg cronies showed up and rather than give you the cash I had on me, decided to CBY. (I really should have dropped those 10k or 20k fighters I had on me first, though...) Other than that, I can't remember any actual inter-player conflicts... but again, that game was going on a year ago. I'll take your word on any other encounters and add the pods and #SD# to my total record. (I'm a trusting person!)

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave
EIS Product Support

actually you cost us NOTHING rave except 3 days of cashing, we were lucky and none of our planets colided before we retook the sector. Though the next day when we reloaded the sector with torps to get rid of the navhaz, we forgot to blow'em back up and lost 2 planets oops

anyway, we lost because we never moved, we assumed Kemper didnt' have crap, but no one knew who he was then either, we just underestimated him

as for chasing down someone with a frigate, i think that was me that photoned you but i dont remember you self destructing. I do remember trying to get xide the same way, I was hitting his figs in a havoc and when he came chasing after me i was killing his figs and droping my own to slow him down, he cought me when i xported back to the frigate, right before i warped out to torp him. That little chase lasted a while too, cause he kept 1 sector behind me and I was too scared to head back to the frigate, that was the most fun I ever had in a TW game, I never got into a good fight in a turn game since.

Chris Rose
http://www.geocities.com/camaro81rk

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actually you cost us NOTHING rave except 3 days of cashing, we were lucky and none of our planets colided before we retook the sector. Though the next day when we reloaded the sector with torps to get rid of the navhaz, we forgot to blow'em back up and lost 2 planets oops


Actually, your lost planets were due to the gentorps I deployed the second time we took control of your tunnel and locked you guys out. (That happened twice... not once.) Having only one red cashing (Xide), we didn't have the resources to start knocking on your planets, so I did the next best thing and tried to keep out locked out of them. And it worked quite well for a while.

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anyway, we lost because we never moved, we assumed Kemper didnt' have crap, but no one knew who he was then either, we just underestimated him


You didn't lose because you didn't move. If you had moved, we would have found you. The Borg were my target due to a little confrontation I had with one of them during the World Trade Wars Championship. Regardless, for better or worse, Xide and myself outclassed the Borg from day one until the day Kemper managed to lock us out of the game. I podded and #SD#'d you several of you more than one time in your own Darn tunnel.

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as for chasing down someone with a frigate, i think that was me that photoned you but i dont remember you self destructing. I do remember trying to get xide the same way, I was hitting his figs in a havoc and when he came chasing after me i was killing his figs and droping my own to slow him down, he cought me when i xported back to the frigate, right before i warped out to torp him. That little chase lasted a while too, cause he kept 1 sector behind me and I was too scared to head back to the frigate, that was the most fun I ever had in a TW game, I never got into a good fight in a turn game since.


The guy that nailed me was a newb. Or rather, someone who I thought was a newb. The game was already well underway when this guy shows up, playing solo, talking smack on fedcom. I figured him for an easy kill and chased after him, only to get myself photoned. Three minutes before turn regen, on of the Borg showed up in his pretty ISS, loaded up to the gills with figs versus my 10 or 20 thousand (can't remember how many I had). I had a decent chunk of cash on me, and didn't want to turn that over to him, so I CBY'd. If I remember correctly, Xide later chased down that MisFri flying jerk that torped me. But the guy wasn't on any corps, at least at that time.

Still... this game was probably one of the funnest I had played previously or have played since. And that-not winning-is the name of the game.

Lisa M. Wilson
aka Rave
EIS Product Support