I installed TWGS on Win4Lin. It didn't initially work, but when I tried running TWGS off a separate FAT32 partition it worked. It works good! Just wanted to let y'all know.
Mike

Does Win4Lin, like Virtual PC require you to have an actual Windows license from MS? Indeed, is it just using a Vm or is it emulated like WINE?

"Jedi do not concern me" -The Sith

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Does Win4Lin, like Virtual PC require you to have an actual Windows license from MS? Indeed, is it just using a Vm or is it emulated like WINE?


Win4Linux requires you have a licensed copy of Windows. The integration between Windows and Linux is fairly seemless, far superior to WINE in my opinion, with far less "bumps in the road." This is most likely because you are actually running Windows under linux rather than simply trying to emulate. If you need a license of Win98, 98SE or ME drop me a line I have several sealed OEM packages that I'd probably be willing to let go for a dime or two.

Lisa M. Cutler
aka Rave
EIS Product Support

Heh, no, you are still missing the point . The whole reason for emulating via WINE, is to have nothing do with MS EULA's, or crashes, or blue screens, etc etc. I have plenty of MS Licenses for various bug releases of their OS, IE. win95 win98 etc. I thank you for the offer, but this does not achieve our goal.

"Jedi do not concern me" -The Sith

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Heh, no, you are still missing the point . The whole reason for emulating via WINE, is to have nothing do with MS EULA's, or crashes, or blue screens, etc etc. I have plenty of MS Licenses for various bug releases of their OS, IE. win95 win98 etc. I thank you for the offer, but this does not achieve our goal.


Picky, picky. If I didn't know better I'd say you disliked Microsoft! But since we all know that would be bordering on heresy, that can't possibly be the case. ;o)

At the moment Win4Linux is your best bet for running TWGS on a Linux box. As for WINE, it performs miserably as an emulator. If you think Windows has bugs and dislike it for just that reason, you should absolutely abhor WINE's emulation of Windows.

Lisa M. Cutler
aka Rave
EIS Product Support

Heheh, since the Gov't has made dislike for MS definable as terrorism and punishable by life in prison, I will not admit to it here . Of course, if it were only 20 years, I might. While you don't like WINE , you must realize, WINE is not an attempt to emulate "Windows" and all its inherent flaws and weaknesses, but rather, teh win32 API stuff so you can run Windows Apps on a REAL OS . Anyway, thought you might be interested to know, on my home PC, I switched from Ximian Gnome to KDE as my windowing environment, and I prefer KDE so far

I haven't actually tried to run anything under WINE yet , but I plan to in the next week or so . Will let you know how it works . In the meantime, I am planning, around Christmas, to get my 1 Y/O son one of the Walmart Lindows machines, you see, he will grow up, never having touched windows . My wife is even ready to ditch Win98 and its daily or every other day crashes for a real OS. As for general info though, I say the other day Borland released a new version of Kylix or some such think, which I remember hearing about in the porting TWGS to Linux saga, wondering if this new version will help JP? Worth looking at anyway.

"Jedi do not concern me" -The Sith

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As for general info though, I say the other day Borland released a new version of Kylix or some such think, which I remember hearing about in the porting TWGS to Linux saga, wondering if this new version will help JP? Worth looking at anyway.


Won't help. At this point, a complete rewrite of the legacy portions of the code is all that would allow a port to Linux. And since that would be just as time consuming as writing the entire thing from scratch... well, we've been down that road in other threads.

Lisa M. Cutler
aka Rave
EIS Product Support

Col Sanders, I think YOU are the one who is missing the point here. Maybe you and I have different reason for running TWGS in Linux. For me, it's partly because I don't have a Windows server to run TWGS on, and company policy prohibits us having any Windows servers on our T1. There just isn't a machine anywhere here I could get away with running TWGS on. Also, running it on Win4Lin, I don't have to worry about Windows's lack of security. Even if someone does manage to hack into Windows and crash it, who cares? It won't affect the Linux server. I see your point, but I greatly prefer this solution over the alternative - actually running twgs on a dedicated Windows machine *shudder*
Also, Win4Lin runs WAY faster than VMWare or Wine. Win4Lin is actually a great product. John's not going to port TWGS to Linux, face it. Since I really like the game, I'm willing to do what it takes to run it. I've talked to him about it extensively, and the most realistic guess is that he'll either port it in the distant future or never. Since I have no other choice but to run it on Linux, Win4Lin is ideal under the circumstances.

It sure beats the way I used to run it... I used to use Mystic BBS running on Linux, which would open up a door that would use DOSEMU with its virtual serial port driver. This way, the game worked fine, but each user who logged in required a separate instance of DOSEMU, so I was effectively loading an operating system for each user. After about 5 or 6 users would get on, the game would become so slow and laggy that it would be no fun at all. Then, there were the bugs in Tradewars 2002 v3.9 that have since been fixed in TWGS. TWGS runs much faster on Win4Lin that Tradewars 2002 did on DosEMU. Also, my Linux iptables firewalling applies to Win4Lin running on the same machine. All in all, i think it's a good setup.
Mike

While your needs may be fulfilled by running TWGS under Win4Lin, and I am happy for you, it still would not satisfy my needs. I currently run a Linux BBS (Fusion) on one Linux box, that rlogins to my TWGS which is NT 4 server. Its a waste of a box, but I have choice. My TWGS does nothing but run TWGS, thats it. Totally dedicated (otherwise I am sure I would have stability issues, well, typical windows stability issues). So this is my setup, and while it works, I would love to be able to combine my BBS and TWGS into one box. But I also understand, that will never happen.

"Jedi do not concern me" -The Sith

Since a Linux port is not going to happen soon, and maybe not at all, the best bet is to run TWGS on Windows 2000 Professional or Windows 2000 Server. If you can't do it from work, then do it from home. If you can't do it from home, then you ar stuck running something like Win4Lin, which may work ok under low usage, but will definitely suffer with a serious number of simultaneous users.

Microsoft is a terrible company, but win2k is not a terrible product like win95 and win98 were.


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What I want to know, is will it work with Win4Lin WITHOUT X...

I finally broke down and leased a managed server for my fun stuff, now that I'm not worried about killing the security of one of my production servers, I want to break it. But alas, I don't want to have to have an X session running 24/7 on my desktop at home just for that reason.

Worse comes to worse of course, I'll have it hosted on a cable modem in Arkansas (I have to many servers in too many locations) but that defeats the point of having the beautiful OC-12 connections to critical backbone locations.

I've broken down, I can't stand any of the existing Linux BBS systems, we've got something workable now, but our TWGS still is hitting us.

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Picky, picky. If I didn't know better I'd say you disliked Microsoft! But since we all know that would be bordering on heresy, that can't possibly be the case. ;o)

At the moment Win4Linux is your best bet for running TWGS on a Linux box. As for WINE, it performs miserably as an emulator. If you think Windows has bugs and dislike it for just that reason, you should absolutely abhor WINE's emulation of Windows.

Lisa M. Cutler
aka Rave
EIS Product Support


Microsoft is not the most loved company out there, some people want to avoid using MS products if possible but still run Windows programs because there are no alternatives to certain Windows programs.

WINE Is Not an Emulator, which is what WINE stands for. WINE attempts to use the Win32 API on Linux. It fails because Microsoft does not release 100% of their API calls to the public. There are a lot of hidden or undocumented API calls that certain programs need to function. So it is not WINE's fault, but Microsoft's for not releasing the API calls. I thought the DOJ would have forced Microsoft to release the API calls, but they apparently whimped out.