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| Author: | Kewlbreeze [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 6:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
Classic Ferrengi : No Max Regen per Visit : 100% Invincible Ferrengal: Yes OK..is this a bug/program glitch...From what I under stood that means the planet can not be ZDY'd or collide right...or am I wrong Planets Ferrengal and . collided! |
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| Author: | T0yman [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
Someone make a fake Ferrengal? I know we have done it in the past. Or did you go to that sector and check? Just wondering since the TL bug still seems to be in effect I can not currently log in and check. |
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| Author: | Singularity [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
You can collide an invincible planet, have been able to for years. |
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| Author: | Big D [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:42 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
I don't play alien games much, and I know you can't zdy a gold alien planet, but I'm not sure about collision. Sing is more than likely correct, I just haven't tested it to be positive. |
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| Author: | Kewlbreeze [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
Singularity wrote: You can collide an invincible planet, have been able to for years. NEWS to me... I have played multiple games and had alien planet in a sec where planets set to max 5 with 3 alien planets in the sec and 5 planet I made = 8 total planet in the same sec and it didn't show as over load. Yes if I have 6 or more in any sec in that same game that I made it would show as over load and some times get a collation |
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| Author: | Parrothead [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 9:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
Gold Alien planets don't overload a sector or they didn't but may have been changed in beta. They collide only if the other planets in sector make it unstable by themselves.....unless it was changed. No idea how an internal alien planet works. |
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| Author: | Singularity [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
Back, think it was 2006 (maybe early 2007), I was in a subzero that we had mopped up. One of my corpies was moving planets around before extern, I was afk since the game was done. I was on ferrengal (gold aliens, not internal). I came back to a pod having had the planet collide. Planet was supposed to be set to invincible, I couldn't zdy it. It does happen. Not sure why, or under what conditions, but it does happen. |
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| Author: | John Pritchett [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
The "invincible ferrengal" actually only applies to internal Ferrengi. I should clarify that in the setting since that's ambiguous. Gold alien homeworlds can never be destroyed by CBY (at least that's the intended behavior). There is no test of invincibility for collisions. Gold alien homeworlds are not counted toward planets to determine if a collision occurs, and they are excluded from the list of planets that can be destroyed if a collision occurs. So if Gold alien planets are being destroyed in collisions, that's a bug. And if it is a bug, the question is, should it become standard behavior or should it be fixed? |
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| Author: | Parrothead [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 10:37 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
only IF the NON Gold alien planets form an overload by themselves. MAxplanet = 3 4 regular planet + 2 gold alien planets Game sees the 4 and processes the overload based on 4 planets Collisions are processed using ALL planets in sector. Try it. You will see. Kewl had one collide last night at Ice9 As for being a Bug? Seems to me your going around the intended balance of MAx planets verus Max Corpies with this behavior and it unbalances the game in favor of those first online that grab weak alien planets. SubZero in particular. |
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| Author: | T0yman [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
John Pritchett wrote: The "invincible ferrengal" actually only applies to internal Ferrengi. I should clarify that in the setting since that's ambiguous. Gold alien homeworlds can never be destroyed by CBY (at least that's the intended behavior). ZDY John Pritchett wrote: There is no test of invincibility for collisions. Gold alien homeworlds are not counted toward planets to determine if a collision occurs, and they are excluded from the list of planets that can be destroyed if a collision occurs. So if Gold alien planets are being destroyed in collisions, that's a bug. And if it is a bug, the question is, should it become standard behavior or should it be fixed? If the game setting is 5 per sector and you place a Gold Planet then you should assume the risk of it being destroyed during a collision. |
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| Author: | Singularity [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 11:18 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
Parrothead wrote: only IF the NON Gold alien planets form an overload by themselves. MAxplanet = 3 4 regular planet + 2 gold alien planets Game sees the 4 and processes the overload based on 4 planets Collisions are processed using ALL planets in sector. That would be consistent with my observations as well. |
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| Author: | T0yman [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 12:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
Singularity wrote: Parrothead wrote: only IF the NON Gold alien planets form an overload by themselves. MAxplanet = 3 4 regular planet + 2 gold alien planets Game sees the 4 and processes the overload based on 4 planets Collisions are processed using ALL planets in sector. That would be consistent with my observations as well. Just a question. So your in a game that has 9 alien planets and you cap them all you would allow all 9 to be in the sector with no risk of being collided? Even though the game setup says 3? I don't think that sounds right but whatever is decided is fine, game settings are there and set for a reason. You place 9 in a sector you assume the risk of a collision. 2 cents |
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| Author: | Singularity [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:21 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
T0yman wrote: Just a question. So your in a game that has 9 alien planets and you cap them all you would allow all 9 to be in the sector with no risk of being collided? Even though the game setup says 3? I don't think that sounds right but whatever is decided is fine, game settings are there and set for a reason. You place 9 in a sector you assume the risk of a collision. 2 cents Couple things... 1. Yes if you accidentally overload your own sector you deserve what you get. In my case it was a new player that was moving cols around and forgot to move stuff back, combined with my inattention to a finished game, that lead to my particular outcome. Que sara. 2. I'm 99% sure I've also collided an enemy ferg too, using the old photon in, pop planets, xport out method. It's remarkably easy to do. You don't need 9 alien planets to do this. I don't think I've ever been in a game with 9 alien planets before. 3. I don't have a problem with ferg being treated as a planet for collisions. It is, after all, a planet... so why should it be immune to collisions? I think for the AI's sake, while the planet is still owned by aliens, it prolly shouldn't collide. But once owned by a player, fair game. |
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| Author: | T0yman [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 1:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
T0yman wrote: Just a question. So your in a game that has 9 alien planets and you cap them all you would allow all 9 to be in the sector with no risk of being collided? Even though the game setup says 3? I don't think that sounds right but whatever is decided is fine, game settings are there and set for a reason. You place 9 in a sector you assume the risk of a collision. 2 cents Singularity wrote: Couple things... 1. Yes if you accidentally overload your own sector you deserve what you get. In my case it was a new player that was moving cols around and forgot to move stuff back, combined with my inattention to a finished game, that lead to my particular outcome. Que sara. 2. I'm 99% sure I've also collided an enemy ferg too, using the old photon in, pop planets, xport out method. It's remarkably easy to do. You don't need 9 alien planets to do this. I don't think I've ever been in a game with 9 alien planets before. 3. I don't have a problem with ferg being treated as a planet for collisions. It is, after all, a planet... so why should it be immune to collisions? I think for the AI's sake, while the planet is still owned by aliens, it prolly shouldn't collide. But once owned by a player, fair game. Yea I can agree with those, Alien Retribution has either 7 or 9 I forget |
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| Author: | Thrawn [ Thu Dec 02, 2010 2:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: OK..is this a bug/progam glitch... |
T0yman wrote: Yea I can agree with those, Alien Retribution has either 7 or 9 I forget The original created edit had 8 Alien races, 8 Alien planets. |
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